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flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Guess which country has the most mass shootings in the world?

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
From 1966 to 2012, nearly a third of the world's mass shootings took place in the U.S.
It surveyed 292 incidents and found 90 of them occurred in America. Put another way: While the U.S. has 5% of the world's population, it had 31% of all public mass shootings.
#2. Philippines (18)
#3. Russia (15)
#4. Yemen (11)
#5. France (10)
The Orlando attack was by far the deadliest shooting in U.S. history (49 killed), and it is not even 10 years removed from the 2007 Virginia Tech massacre (32 killed), and the 2012 Sandy Hook shooting (27 killed). In fact, of the 30 deadliest shootings in the U.S. dating back to 1949, 16 have occurred in the last 10 years.
Source: CNN
flan

The Orlando attack was by far the deadliest shooting in U.S. history

Untrue.

Tinydancer · Guru

What is your point? Is your point is to ban guns?

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
From 1966 to 2012, nearly a third of the world's mass shootings took place in the U.S.
It surveyed 292 incidents and found 90 of them occurred in America. Put another way: While the U.S. has 5% of the world's population, it had 31% of all public mass shootings.
#2. Philippines (18)
#3. Russia (15)
#4. Yemen (11)
#5. France (10)
The Orlando attack was by far the deadliest shooting in U.S. history (49 killed), and it is not even 10 years removed from the 2007 Virginia Tech massacre (32 killed), and the 2012 Sandy Hook shooting (27 killed). In fact, of the 30 deadliest shootings in the U.S. dating back to 1949, 16 have occurred in the last 10 years.
Source: CNN
flan
The Orlando attack was by far the deadliest shooting in U.S. history
Untrue.

Every single story I've read says the same thing.

flan

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
From 1966 to 2012, nearly a third of the world's mass shootings took place in the U.S.
It surveyed 292 incidents and found 90 of them occurred in America. Put another way: While the U.S. has 5% of the world's population, it had 31% of all public mass shootings.
#2. Philippines (18)
#3. Russia (15)
#4. Yemen (11)
#5. France (10)
The Orlando attack was by far the deadliest shooting in U.S. history (49 killed), and it is not even 10 years removed from the 2007 Virginia Tech massacre (32 killed), and the 2012 Sandy Hook shooting (27 killed). In fact, of the 30 deadliest shootings in the U.S. dating back to 1949, 16 have occurred in the last 10 years.
Source: CNN
flan
The Orlando attack was by far the deadliest shooting in U.S. history
Untrue.
Every single story I've read says the same thing.
flan

Well, they would be wrong too...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wounded_Knee_Massacre

Tinydancer · Guru

If you count how many civilians were killed by the SS in Nazi Germany or under Stalin then we don't even come close.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

flan327 wrote:
From 1966 to 2012, nearly a third of the world's mass shootings took place in the U.S.
It surveyed 292 incidents and found 90 of them occurred in America. Put another way: While the U.S. has 5% of the world's population, it had 31% of all public mass shootings.
#2. Philippines (18)
#3. Russia (15)
#4. Yemen (11)
#5. France (10)
The Orlando attack was by far the deadliest shooting in U.S. history (49 killed), and it is not even 10 years removed from the 2007 Virginia Tech massacre (32 killed), and the 2012 Sandy Hook shooting (27 killed). In fact, of the 30 deadliest shootings in the U.S. dating back to 1949, 16 have occurred in the last 10 years.
Source: CNN
flan

And yet, you think it is perfectly fine to have open borders, allowing God knows who to come into our country. You are perfectly fine with Islam, a religion that throws gays off of rooftops and executes them.

Tinydancer · Guru

But they don't keep count in those muslim countries.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Yeah, i am sure Russia is keeping accurate stats. Uh huh.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

For the purpose of THIS study, military actions were not included.

These are shootings by civilians.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Deflect, deflect, deflect...

flan

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

Now look up massacres by WMD and see what turns up. That would be people killed by a tyrannic government who previously took all their guns away.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Lots of shooting in Chicago. Funny how you don't peep at that. Nor does Obama care about dead black children in his own hometown.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Look up killings by Govt under communist and atheistic govts. Our mass shootings can't hold a candle to that.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Now look up massacres by WMD and see what turns up. That would be people killed by a tyrannic government who previously took all their guns away.

Please explain how your handgun is going to stop a "tyrannic government."

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Look up killings by Govt under communist and atheistic govts. Our mass shootings can't hold a candle to that.

Deflect, deflect, deflect...

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Oh, she quoted CNN! OMG! Must have been in between reruns of Forensic files from that hard news channel.

Tinydancer · Guru

Maybe you should move to Canada then flannie.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Deflect, deflect, deflect. You can also pretend that these shootings aren't happening in gun free zones. Or in states with more gun laws like Chicago, which you keep ignoring. Are you gonna comment on Chicago or deflect, deflect, deflect?

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Tinydancer wrote:
Maybe you should move to Canada then flannie.

She's leaving as soon as we swear in Trump.

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
For the purpose of THIS study, military actions were not included.

These are shootings by civilians.

flan

Where did it say that? I can't seem to find it...

Ohfour · Hooker

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Maybe you should move to Canada then flannie.
She's leaving as soon as we swear in Trump.

At least that's what she SAID...

I think she's pretty much backpedaled on that, unfortunately...

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
For the purpose of THIS study, military actions were not included.

These are shootings by civilians.

flan
Where did it say that? I can't seem to find it...

The government has never defined "mass shooting" as a stand-alone category. So, depending on whichever informal definition you go with, the tally can drastically vary. According to the Gun Violence Archive, which compiles data from shooting incidents, a "mass shooting" is any incident where four or more people are wounded or killed. That number can include any gunmen as well. By that definition, we've seen 136 mass shootings in the first 164 days of this year.

Now, let's consider the several ways the government uses the term. Federal statutes define a "mass killing" as an incident resulting in three or more deaths. The commonly accepted definition -- the one the FBI used up to 2013 -- is a shooting that killed four or more people. Then there's Congressional reports,which sometimes exclude gang-related or domestic incidents and focus on "gunmen who select victims indiscriminately." Use that, and the total tally dwindles to single digits.

flan

apple · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Deflect, deflect, deflect...

flan

No kidding.

why downplay this horrible mass shooting? I don't get it....

-- Edited by apple on Tuesday 14th of June 2016 03:27:43 PM

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
For the purpose of THIS study, military actions were not included.

These are shootings by civilians.

flan
Where did it say that? I can't seem to find it...
The government has never defined "mass shooting" as a stand-alone category. So, depending on whichever informal definition you go with, the tally can drastically vary. According to the Gun Violence Archive, which compiles data from shooting incidents, a "mass shooting" is any incident where four or more people are wounded or killed. That number can include any gunmen as well. By that definition, we've seen 136 mass shootings in the first 164 days of this year.
Now, let's consider the several ways the government uses the term. Federal statutes define a "mass killing" as an incident resulting in three or more deaths. The commonly accepted definition -- the one the FBI used up to 2013 -- is a shooting that killed four or more people. Then there's Congressional reports,which sometimes exclude gang-related or domestic incidents and focus on "gunmen who select victims indiscriminately." Use that, and the total tally dwindles to single digits.
flan

Yeah, still didn't answer my question, but ok... confuse

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Seems crystal clear to me.

We expect casualties during war time. At a school, church, movie theatre, nightclub...Not so much.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

This is from the article ed just posted:

... this mass shooting, the largest in our history...

flan

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
This is from the article ed just posted:

... this mass shooting, the largest in our history...

flan

Well, that's wrong, now isn't it...

Ohfour · Hooker

Just because some writes it, doesn't make it true...

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

flan327 wrote:
This is from the article ed just posted:

... this mass shooting, the largest in our history...

flan

And, it's horrible and wrong.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Ohfour wrote:
Just because some writes it, doesn't make it true...

Every single news story is WRONG & you're right?

flan

apple · Guru

lol so lets argue about the size of it? thats just so ridiculous. ITS BAD, VERY BAD that this keeps happening increasingly in the USA.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Let's look at those places.

Of those places, what are the gun laws?

And of the shootings, how many were in gun free zones?

And at what point did having gun free zones actually keep those shootings from happening?

Where are the most shootings, per capita, in the States?

burns07 · Guru

In fact, of the 30 deadliest shootings in the U.S. dating back to 1949, 16 have occurred in the last 10 years.
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and b.o. has been in the whitehouse eight of those ten years or 80% of the years referenced

Ohfour · Hooker

burns07 wrote:

In fact, of the 30 deadliest shootings in the U.S. dating back to 1949, 16 have occurred in the last 10 years.
__________________________________________________________________________________

and b.o. has been in the whitehouse eight of those ten years or 80% of the years referenced

Right! Libs wont acknowledge that tho....

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

I believe the first mass shooting was the Boston Massacre.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

apple wrote:
lol so lets argue about the size of it? thats just so ridiculous. ITS BAD, VERY BAD that this keeps happening increasingly in the USA.

Get rid of gun free zones - they don't work.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

lilyofcourse wrote:
Let's look at those places.

Of those places, what are the gun laws?

And of the shootings, how many were in gun free zones?

And at what point did having gun free zones actually keep those shootings from happening?

Where are the most shootings, per capita, in the States?

Helloooo......

Got an answer for these?

Fort Worth Mom · Mod/Penguin lover/Princess!

Lawyerlady wrote:
apple wrote:
lol so lets argue about the size of it? thats just so ridiculous. ITS BAD, VERY BAD that this keeps happening increasingly in the USA.
Get rid of gun free zones - they don't work.

Very true. I really don't want to visit gun free zones.

They do nothing, except make innocent people, sitting ducks, for crazy/evil people. cry

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Arm everyone willing to be armed and have them ALL carry. You'd be amazed how fast all these attacks stop. These shooters are COWARDS who go after the defenseless.

Fort Worth Mom · Mod/Penguin lover/Princess!

Lawyerlady wrote:
Arm everyone willing to be armed and have them ALL carry. You'd be amazed how fast all these attacks stop. These shooters are COWARDS who go after the defenseless.

One million times, yes!!!!!!!!!!!

There was very little killing going on, in the Old West.

Despite what the movies, would have you believe.

When you don't know, who is carrying a gun, and who isn't.........it makes a difference.

Gun free zones are the stupidest thing, ever.

They make innocent, law abiding citizens, a target for crazy people.

JMHO.

Ohfour · Hooker

I've said 100 times...

My town (with an 80% CCP rate) hasnt had a gun death in 11 years. Neither has the country of our lake house. What is so hard to understand about that? Places where the citizens are armed have the least crime rate....

chef · Guru

Fort Worth Mom wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Arm everyone willing to be armed and have them ALL carry. You'd be amazed how fast all these attacks stop. These shooters are COWARDS who go after the defenseless.
One million times, yes!!!!!!!!!!!
There was very little killing going on, in the Old West.
Despite what the movies, would have you believe.
When you don't know, who is carrying a gun, and who isn't.........it makes a difference.
Gun free zones are the stupidest thing, ever.
They make innocent, law abiding citizens, a target for crazy people.
JMHO.

Amen!

I was talking with someone (not on the board) about gun control yesterday. She said she wanted stricter gun control. I and two others pointed out that gun free zones don't work and that criminals do not care about laws. I asked her what she proposes to be done so that the good guys (so to speak) will be protected from the criminals who will shoot them. She dismissed my question as "not my problem" and said she doesn't need to come up with any proposal. I still can't believe how incredibly childish she got when asked for what she would do. She said she was former law enforcement too. Scary how someone once charged with protecting us has deemed coming up with proposal for effective gun control to be not her problem.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

burns07 wrote:

In fact, of the 30 deadliest shootings in the U.S. dating back to 1949, 16 have occurred in the last 10 years.
__________________________________________________________________________________

and b.o. has been in the whitehouse eight of those ten years or 80% of the years referenced

Or, it's simply the snowball effect, no matter what person is the POTUS.

Have a problem? GUNS solve everything. And the unbelievable hubris of shooters who need to be remembered for KILLING.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Fort Worth Mom wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Arm everyone willing to be armed and have them ALL carry. You'd be amazed how fast all these attacks stop. These shooters are COWARDS who go after the defenseless.
One million times, yes!!!!!!!!!!!
There was very little killing going on, in the Old West.
Despite what the movies, would have you believe.
When you don't know, who is carrying a gun, and who isn't.........it makes a difference.
Gun free zones are the stupidest thing, ever.
They make innocent, law abiding citizens, a target for crazy people.
JMHO.

I respect both of your opinions.

I just cannot wrap my head around the fact that my granddaughter is growing up in a world where rational adults don't think twice about carrying a gun at all times.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
Arm everyone willing to be armed and have them ALL carry. You'd be amazed how fast all these attacks stop. These shooters are COWARDS who go after the defenseless.

But then the shooters will just get bigger guns that are more efficient killing machines...Oh, wait, that already happened.

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Arm everyone willing to be armed and have them ALL carry. You'd be amazed how fast all these attacks stop. These shooters are COWARDS who go after the defenseless.
But then the shooters will just get bigger guns that are more efficient killing machines...Oh, wait, that already happened.
flan

Really? Tell me where these mass shootings have occurred against armed people, please and not in gun free zones?

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

I am watching Stephen Colbert interview Bill O'Reilly...very interesting and pertinent discussion.

O'Reilly believes that Federal gun laws should take precedence over state laws. He also does not believe that every Muslim in America is a problem.

(And since several threads here are aspects of the same story, I am posting this here.)

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Obviously, America is #1 in many things. Unfortunately this is one of them. But, this is a huge country as well compared to the tiny countries of Europe. And, we are very diverse, unlike Canada so you can't compare our two countries.

Mary Zombie · Guru

Fort Worth Mom wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Arm everyone willing to be armed and have them ALL carry. You'd be amazed how fast all these attacks stop. These shooters are COWARDS who go after the defenseless.
One million times, yes!!!!!!!!!!!
There was very little killing going on, in the Old West.
Despite what the movies, would have you believe.
When you don't know, who is carrying a gun, and who isn't.........it makes a difference.
Gun free zones are the stupidest thing, ever.
They make innocent, law abiding citizens, a target for crazy people.
JMHO.

Hell yes. On a smaller scale DF carries and he's never had to pull his gun on anyone but a couple times the other guy knowing he had a gun stopped him from getting messed with.

if the odds are greater that people surrounding you are carrying .... A good deterrent.

-- Edited by Mary Zombie on Wednesday 15th of June 2016 11:05:59 AM