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Too many holes in nation’s security against mass killers

June 13, 2016 By The Editorial Board

Orlando Police Chief John Mina describes the details Orlando Police Chief John Mina describes the details of the fatal shootings at the Pulse Orlando nightclub during a media briefing Monday, June 13, 2016, in Orlando, Fla. (Credit: AP)

As the shock fades, the dead are buried and their lives remembered, the focus is on how Omar Mateen could have been stopped before he took the lives of 49 people in a Florida nightclub.

The answer, as with other recent massacres, seems to be that this mass shooting, the largest in our history, might have been prevented if our national security apparatus were more coordinated and effective. This might require a better calibration of the balance between our civil liberties and security. How we do that is the challenge.

The Orlando killings are now central to the 2016 presidential election. Donald Trump on Monday called for a shut-off of immigration from countries where terrorism is a threat. But civilians from those places face devastating humanitarian crises, and such a test of religion and nationality is out of touch with our nation’s values.

 

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Hillary Clinton came closer to the mark, pledging in a speech to make the targeting of lone wolves a top priority and pointing out that Mateen already had been on the FBI’s radar. But she also said the nation needs “more resources for this fight.” That’s an easy sop to worried voters, but hundreds of billions of dollars are already spent on law enforcement and security practices, much of it poorly.

What’s needed is competence. Mateen, a New York-born 29-year-old whose parents came from Afghanistan, was investigated by the FBI in 2013 after he made comments that co-workers believed were sympathetic to terrorists. The FBI determined he hadn’t broken any laws.

He was again investigated in 2014 because he had contact with an American who later conducted a suicide bombing in Syria. The FBI, however, concluded he had only minimal contact with the man. Mateen was put on a terrorist watch list, then removed.

Even if he had been on such a list, however, he still could have bought the handgun and semi-automatic rifle he purchased in the past two weeks that were used in the shooting. He was a citizen and had no criminal record. But if the purchases had raised a red flag, and led to FBI surveillance, an examination of his associates or his use of social media, these deaths might have been prevented.

That is too often the case. Previous mass killers have tripped law enforcement alarms and sent signals to friends, co-workers or family. Dylann Roof, accused of killing nine black churchgoers in South Carolina last June, was charged with drug possession before he bought his handgun. That arrest should have nixed the sale, but his background check wasn’t completed in a timely manner, and Roof got the weapon.

Tamerlan Tsarnaev, one of the two brothers responsible for the Boston Marathon bombing in 2013, was reported to the U.S. government to be a potentially violent Islamic radical twice in the two years before his attack, and he was added to a list of potential threats. He was questioned by the FBI, but went to Dagestan, a hotbed of Islamic terrorism in Russia, to train as a terrorist, and he re-entered the United States without being stopped.

We do not need more spending or more fear or more hate or more restrictions on immigration. What we need is an efficient, coordinated security apparatus that can act on the often significant warning signs that killers send long before their sprees begin. — The editorial board

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Thats great but the vast majority of mass shooters in America are Americans shooting Americans.

Its not at all surprising that Trump would try to fool you otherwise.

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That is true, but the worst mass killings, the planes being hijacked on 911 could have been process well as several other attacks.

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Mass shootings are a largely American phenomenon
From 1966 to 2012, nearly a third of the world's mass shootings took place in the U.S. This is according to a 2016 study that used the FBI definition of 'mass shooting' below. It surveyed 292 incidents and found 90 of them occurred in America. Put another way: While the U.S. has 5% of the world's population, it had 31% of all public mass shootings.


And guess what? its Americans shooting Americans.

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Prevented. Damn spell check

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Lol flan already started that thread.

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The Boston bombers couldn't get guns, so they used a pressure cooker and nails.

Timothy McVeigh didn't have a gun, yet he killed 168 people.

Guns are not the problem. People that want to kill are going to kill.

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Riiight... guns are not a problem at all....

The mass shooting in Orlando on Sunday was appalling in scale: 49 killed in a single attack. But it’s not unusual for dozens of Americans to be killed by guns in a single day.

Gun homicides are a common cause of death in the United States, killing about as many people as car crashes (not counting van, truck, motorcycle or bus accidents). Some cases command our attention more than others, of course. Counting mass shootings that make headlines and the thousands of Americans murdered one or a few at a time, gunshot homicides totaled 8,124 in 2014, according to the F.B.I.

This level of violence makes the United States an extreme outlier when measured against the experience of other advanced countries.

In the United States, the death rate from gun homicides is about 31 per million people — the equivalent of 27 people shot dead every day of the year. The homicides include losses from mass shootings, like Sunday’s Orlando attack, or the San Bernardino, Calif., shooting last December. And of course, they also include the country’s vastly more common single-victim killings.

More guns, more gun deaths.
Go ahead, keep your blinders on.

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Riiight... guns are not a problem at all....

The mass shooting in Orlando on Sunday was appalling in scale: 49 killed in a single attack. But it’s not unusual for dozens of Americans to be killed by guns in a single day.

Gun homicides are a common cause of death in the United States, killing about as many people as car crashes (not counting van, truck, motorcycle or bus accidents). Some cases command our attention more than others, of course. Counting mass shootings that make headlines and the thousands of Americans murdered one or a few at a time, gunshot homicides totaled 8,124 in 2014, according to the F.B.I.

This level of violence makes the United States an extreme outlier when measured against the experience of other advanced countries.

In the United States, the death rate from gun homicides is about 31 per million people — the equivalent of 27 people shot dead every day of the year. The homicides include losses from mass shootings, like Sunday’s Orlando attack, or the San Bernardino, Calif., shooting last December. And of course, they also include the country’s vastly more common single-victim killings.

More guns, more gun deaths.
Go ahead, keep your blinders on.

Interestingly enough, although gun sales have jumped quite a bit, gun deaths are down.

So yes, dear, more guns mean less shooting deaths...

 



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And what were the gun deaths for 2015? acceptable to you?
How about 2014?
2013?



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And what were the gun deaths for 2015? acceptable to you?
How about 2014?
2013?

They are going down every year, as gun sales increase.  Sorry that doesn't mesh with your agenda, but it is proof...more guns = less gun deaths... 



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Canadians can ignore their lily white nondiverse population and pretend that they wouldn't have the same issues if their demographics were similar.

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So, ok, let's take all the guns away.

No guns available and no ammo.

Then what?

Cain killed Abel with a Stone.

A gun is not needed to kill.

And not all mass killings are done with guns.

So after all the guns are gone, and there are still mass killings, then what?

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Ohfour wrote:

The Boston bombers couldn't get guns, so they used a pressure cooker and nails.

Timothy McVeigh didn't have a gun, yet he killed 168 people.

Guns are not the problem. People that want to kill are going to kill.

 And we need to make it HARDER for them to obtain EFFICIENT killing tools.

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Pressure cookers

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Fertilizer

PVC pipe

Gas

Let's ban everything that could be used to kill.



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flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:

The Boston bombers couldn't get guns, so they used a pressure cooker and nails.

Timothy McVeigh didn't have a gun, yet he killed 168 people.

Guns are not the problem. People that want to kill are going to kill.

 And we need to make it HARDER for them to obtain EFFICIENT killing tools.

flan

Did you not see that since gun sales have increased, gun deaths have decreased?  I think we're doing a pretty good job of stopping gun deaths... 



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Using that logic, the abortion rate has been decreasing for the last 20 years. I think thats a good trend, lets just leave that situation alone.

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Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:

The Boston bombers couldn't get guns, so they used a pressure cooker and nails.

Timothy McVeigh didn't have a gun, yet he killed 168 people.

Guns are not the problem. People that want to kill are going to kill.

 And we need to make it HARDER for them to obtain EFFICIENT killing tools.

flan

Did you not see that since gun sales have increased, gun deaths have decreased?  I think we're doing a pretty good job of stopping gun deaths... 

 Tell that to the families of the innocent dead...

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lilyofcourse wrote:

Pressure cookers

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Let's ban everything that could be used to kill.

 EVERY SINGLE TIME, this stupid comment is posted.

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Plenty of research has found a strong correlation between the amount of guns in an area and its gun homicide rate. Countries with more guns have more gun homicides. States with more guns have more gun homicides. Individuals with guns in the house are likelier to be killed or to kill themselves with guns.


Agree or Disagree?

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Plenty of research has found a strong correlation between the amount of guns in an area and its gun homicide rate. Countries with more guns have more gun homicides. States with more guns have more gun homicides. Individuals with guns in the house are likelier to be killed or to kill themselves with guns.


Agree or Disagree?

 Do you even have to ask?

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flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:

The Boston bombers couldn't get guns, so they used a pressure cooker and nails.

Timothy McVeigh didn't have a gun, yet he killed 168 people.

Guns are not the problem. People that want to kill are going to kill.

 And we need to make it HARDER for them to obtain EFFICIENT killing tools.

flan

Did you not see that since gun sales have increased, gun deaths have decreased?  I think we're doing a pretty good job of stopping gun deaths... 

 Tell that to the families of the innocent dead...

flan

Just goes to show that your thoughts are incorrect about guns.  That fewer guns cause fewer deaths.  I know that doesn't fit your gun hating agenda, but facts is facts! 



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Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:

The Boston bombers couldn't get guns, so they used a pressure cooker and nails.

Timothy McVeigh didn't have a gun, yet he killed 168 people.

Guns are not the problem. People that want to kill are going to kill.

 And we need to make it HARDER for them to obtain EFFICIENT killing tools.

flan

Did you not see that since gun sales have increased, gun deaths have decreased?  I think we're doing a pretty good job of stopping gun deaths... 

 Tell that to the families of the innocent dead...

flan

Just goes to show that your thoughts are incorrect about guns.  That fewer guns cause fewer deaths.  I know that doesn't fit your gun hating agenda, but facts is facts! 

 Fewer guns will result in fewer deaths, its a fact.  Countries with less guns have less gun deaths.  Sheesh.... are you actually denying that?



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Plenty of research has found a strong correlation between the amount of guns in an area and its gun homicide rate. Countries with more guns have more gun homicides. States with more guns have more gun homicides. Individuals with guns in the house are likelier to be killed or to kill themselves with guns.


Agree or Disagree?

Well, that's not true either.

Take my county for example.  Over 80% are gun owners.  Last shooting was in 2005.  in the ENTIRE COUNTY.

 



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apple wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:

The Boston bombers couldn't get guns, so they used a pressure cooker and nails.

Timothy McVeigh didn't have a gun, yet he killed 168 people.

Guns are not the problem. People that want to kill are going to kill.

 And we need to make it HARDER for them to obtain EFFICIENT killing tools.

flan

Did you not see that since gun sales have increased, gun deaths have decreased?  I think we're doing a pretty good job of stopping gun deaths... 

 Tell that to the families of the innocent dead...

flan

Just goes to show that your thoughts are incorrect about guns.  That fewer guns cause fewer deaths.  I know that doesn't fit your gun hating agenda, but facts is facts! 

 Fewer guns will result in fewer deaths, its a fact.  Countries with less guns have less gun deaths.  Sheesh.... are you actually denying that?

 So those people in Orlando are really alive?

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apple wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:

The Boston bombers couldn't get guns, so they used a pressure cooker and nails.

Timothy McVeigh didn't have a gun, yet he killed 168 people.

Guns are not the problem. People that want to kill are going to kill.

 And we need to make it HARDER for them to obtain EFFICIENT killing tools.

flan

Did you not see that since gun sales have increased, gun deaths have decreased?  I think we're doing a pretty good job of stopping gun deaths... 

 Tell that to the families of the innocent dead...

flan

Just goes to show that your thoughts are incorrect about guns.  That fewer guns cause fewer deaths.  I know that doesn't fit your gun hating agenda, but facts is facts! 

 Fewer guns will result in fewer deaths, its a fact.  Countries with less guns have less gun deaths.  Sheesh.... are you actually denying that?

Nah, if people give up their guns, criminals will have them and the non criminals won't.  We are too far gone to ban guns outright.  I have over 20 guns.  2 of them are registered.  There is no way the government can confiscate the guns in this country... 



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Fewer guns, fewer gun deaths.
Fewer cars, fewer car deaths.


See how it works?

I'm not saying that I know how to fix the gun situation, I just know that you have to acknowledge a problem before you can fix it.


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apple wrote:

Fewer guns, fewer gun deaths.
Fewer cars, fewer car deaths.


See how it works?

I'm not saying that I know how to fix the gun situation, I just know that you have to acknowledge a problem before you can fix it.

Fine then. Stop making them.  That won't change one thing.  Guns are a fact of life.  Anyone that wants one can get one.  And it can be done 100% legally... 



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And what is wrong with restricting the TYPE of guns sold?

I wonder why there were no comparable mass murders with muskets or bayonets...the weapons in existence at the time the Second Amendment was ratified...

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Ohfour wrote:
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Fewer guns, fewer gun deaths.
Fewer cars, fewer car deaths.


See how it works?

I'm not saying that I know how to fix the gun situation, I just know that you have to acknowledge a problem before you can fix it.

Fine then. Stop making them.  That won't change one thing.  Guns are a fact of life.  Anyone that wants one can get one.  And it can be done 100% legally... 

 And THAT is the problem in a nutshell.

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flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
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Fewer guns, fewer gun deaths.
Fewer cars, fewer car deaths.


See how it works?

I'm not saying that I know how to fix the gun situation, I just know that you have to acknowledge a problem before you can fix it.

Fine then. Stop making them.  That won't change one thing.  Guns are a fact of life.  Anyone that wants one can get one.  And it can be done 100% legally... 

 And THAT is the problem in a nutshell.

flan

And what do you want to do about that?  There is NO WAY to curb that.   So I chose to protect myself should that person decide to use his gun against me.



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Ohfour wrote:
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Fewer guns, fewer gun deaths.
Fewer cars, fewer car deaths.


See how it works?

I'm not saying that I know how to fix the gun situation, I just know that you have to acknowledge a problem before you can fix it.

Fine then. Stop making them.  That won't change one thing.  Guns are a fact of life.  Anyone that wants one can get one.  And it can be done 100% legally... 

 Then you accept that mass shootings will just happen because of easy access as far as guns go.

Personally, with so many mass shooting and so very many gun deaths on the books  ....I'd be looking for a way to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and potentially unhinged individuals. 



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Pressure cookers

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Let's ban everything that could be used to kill.

 EVERY SINGLE TIME, this stupid comment is posted.

flan

 Why is it stupid? 

It makes perfect sense.

 



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flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:

Pressure cookers

Nails

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Let's ban everything that could be used to kill.

 EVERY SINGLE TIME, this stupid comment is posted.

flan

 Why is it stupid? 

It makes perfect sense.

 

 No Lily, its deflecting in its purest form. 



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apple wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
apple wrote:

Fewer guns, fewer gun deaths.
Fewer cars, fewer car deaths.


See how it works?

I'm not saying that I know how to fix the gun situation, I just know that you have to acknowledge a problem before you can fix it.

Fine then. Stop making them.  That won't change one thing.  Guns are a fact of life.  Anyone that wants one can get one.  And it can be done 100% legally... 

 Then you accept that mass shootings will just happen because of easy access as far as guns go.

Personally, with so many mass shooting and so very many gun deaths on the books  ....I'd be looking for a way to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and potentially unhinged individuals. 

You will never be able to do that though.  There is absolutely no way... 



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Plenty of research has found a strong correlation between the amount of guns in an area and its gun homicide rate. Countries with more guns have more gun homicides. States with more guns have more gun homicides. Individuals with guns in the house are likelier to be killed or to kill themselves with guns.


Agree or Disagree?

 Disagree.

 



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Plenty of research has found a strong correlation between the amount of guns in an area and its gun homicide rate. Countries with more guns have more gun homicides. States with more guns have more gun homicides. Individuals with guns in the house are likelier to be killed or to kill themselves with guns.


Agree or Disagree?

 Disagree.

 

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lilyofcourse wrote:
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Plenty of research has found a strong correlation between the amount of guns in an area and its gun homicide rate. Countries with more guns have more gun homicides. States with more guns have more gun homicides. Individuals with guns in the house are likelier to be killed or to kill themselves with guns.


Agree or Disagree?

 Disagree.

 

Disagree.  Legal vs illegal. 

Plenty of research has found a strong correlation between the amount of ILLEGAL guns in an area and its gun homicide rate. Countries with more guns have more gun homicides. States with more ILLEGAL guns have more gun homicides. Individuals with ILLEGAL guns in the house are likelier to be killed or to kill themselves with guns.

 



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So, ok, let's take all the guns away.

No guns available and no ammo.

Then what?

Cain killed Abel with a Stone.

A gun is not needed to kill.

And not all mass killings are done with guns.

So after all the guns are gone, and there are still mass killings, then what?

 Answer this.



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Apple, you said you have guns.

You want to be the first to get rid of yours?

Why do you have them?

I mean, you might kill someone or yourself.

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Plenty of research has found a strong correlation between the amount of guns in an area and its gun homicide rate. Countries with more guns have more gun homicides. States with more guns have more gun homicides. Individuals with guns in the house are likelier to be killed or to kill themselves with guns.


Agree or Disagree?

 Disagree.

 

Disagree.  Legal vs illegal. 

Plenty of research has found a strong correlation between the amount of ILLEGAL guns in an area and its gun homicide rate. Countries with more guns have more gun homicides. States with more ILLEGAL guns have more gun homicides. Individuals with ILLEGAL guns in the house are likelier to be killed or to kill themselves with guns.

 

 Can you post a link to any statistics that show that illegal guns are the issue, thanks.  Where do illegal guns come from btw?



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lilyofcourse wrote:

Apple, you said you have guns.

You want to be the first to get rid of yours?

Why do you have them?

I mean, you might kill someone or yourself.

 Do you do this obtuse thing purposely?



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Apple, you said you have guns.

You want to be the first to get rid of yours?

Why do you have them?

I mean, you might kill someone or yourself.

 Do you do this obtuse thing purposely?

 Oh. So it's just Americans who should get rid of their guns.

I mean, no way your countrymen could kill themselves or others with a gun.



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Plenty of research has found a strong correlation between the amount of guns in an area and its gun homicide rate. Countries with more guns have more gun homicides. States with more guns have more gun homicides. Individuals with guns in the house are likelier to be killed or to kill themselves with guns.


Agree or Disagree?

 Disagree.

 

Disagree.  Legal vs illegal. 

Plenty of research has found a strong correlation between the amount of ILLEGAL guns in an area and its gun homicide rate. Countries with more guns have more gun homicides. States with more ILLEGAL guns have more gun homicides. Individuals with ILLEGAL guns in the house are likelier to be killed or to kill themselves with guns.

 

 Can you post a link to any statistics that show that illegal guns are the issue, thanks.  Where do illegal guns come from btw?

 So what do you want to do? 

 



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Apple, you said you have guns.

You want to be the first to get rid of yours?

Why do you have them?

I mean, you might kill someone or yourself.

 Do you do this obtuse thing purposely?

 Unfortunately, no...

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Pressure cookers

Nails

Fertilizer

PVC pipe

Gas

Let's ban everything that could be used to kill.

 EVERY SINGLE TIME, this stupid comment is posted.

flan

 Why is it stupid? 

It makes perfect sense.

 

 It's perfectly stupid.

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apple wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
apple wrote:

Plenty of research has found a strong correlation between the amount of guns in an area and its gun homicide rate. Countries with more guns have more gun homicides. States with more guns have more gun homicides. Individuals with guns in the house are likelier to be killed or to kill themselves with guns.


Agree or Disagree?

 Disagree.

 

Disagree.  Legal vs illegal. 

Plenty of research has found a strong correlation between the amount of ILLEGAL guns in an area and its gun homicide rate. Countries with more guns have more gun homicides. States with more ILLEGAL guns have more gun homicides. Individuals with ILLEGAL guns in the house are likelier to be killed or to kill themselves with guns.

 

 Can you post a link to any statistics that show that illegal guns are the issue, thanks.  Where do illegal guns come from btw?

 Well, every gun that was used in Chicago this weekend was illegal, because guns are illegal there. Illegal guns are guns owned or obtained by a criminal or carried in places where guns are illegal. A gun that is legal in my house would be illegal in the shooting hotspots in the US. The shooting hotspots are where gun control is most prevalent 



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Ohfour wrote:
apple wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
apple wrote:

Plenty of research has found a strong correlation between the amount of guns in an area and its gun homicide rate. Countries with more guns have more gun homicides. States with more guns have more gun homicides. Individuals with guns in the house are likelier to be killed or to kill themselves with guns.


Agree or Disagree?

 Disagree.

 

Disagree.  Legal vs illegal. 

Plenty of research has found a strong correlation between the amount of ILLEGAL guns in an area and its gun homicide rate. Countries with more guns have more gun homicides. States with more ILLEGAL guns have more gun homicides. Individuals with ILLEGAL guns in the house are likelier to be killed or to kill themselves with guns.

 

 Can you post a link to any statistics that show that illegal guns are the issue, thanks.  Where do illegal guns come from btw?

 Well, every gun that was used in Chicago this weekend was illegal, because guns are illegal there. Illegal guns are guns owned or obtained by a criminal or carried in places where guns are illegal. A gun that is legal in my house would be illegal in the shooting hotspots in the US. The shooting hotspots are where gun control is most prevalent 

 So no link and no answer to WHERE do illegal guns come from....



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apple wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
apple wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
apple wrote:

Plenty of research has found a strong correlation between the amount of guns in an area and its gun homicide rate. Countries with more guns have more gun homicides. States with more guns have more gun homicides. Individuals with guns in the house are likelier to be killed or to kill themselves with guns.


Agree or Disagree?

 Disagree.

 

Disagree.  Legal vs illegal. 

Plenty of research has found a strong correlation between the amount of ILLEGAL guns in an area and its gun homicide rate. Countries with more guns have more gun homicides. States with more ILLEGAL guns have more gun homicides. Individuals with ILLEGAL guns in the house are likelier to be killed or to kill themselves with guns.

 

 Can you post a link to any statistics that show that illegal guns are the issue, thanks.  Where do illegal guns come from btw?

 Well, every gun that was used in Chicago this weekend was illegal, because guns are illegal there. Illegal guns are guns owned or obtained by a criminal or carried in places where guns are illegal. A gun that is legal in my house would be illegal in the shooting hotspots in the US. The shooting hotspots are where gun control is most prevalent 

 So no link and no answer to WHERE do illegal guns come from....

 Guns aren't illegal. Only when possessed by illegal people, do the become so...



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