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lilyofcourse wrote:

The disgusting you see is natural.

It's plant life.

That's what an alive body of water looks like.


 Exactly why one should not swim in it. 



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The disgusting you see is natural.

It's plant life.

That's what an alive body of water looks like.


 Exactly why one should not swim in it. 


 It's not rocket science.

Lots of things are "natural." That doesn't equate to "healthy for human beings."

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I'm not a fan of swimming in any water where I cannot see the bottom. I'm not a fan of critters, and seaweed around my legs freaks me out.


 DH loves to snorkel in Kauai...beautiful clear water, but I'm squeamish about fish touching me.

Yes, I know I'm a whale compared to them. evileye

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flan327 wrote:
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I'm not a fan of swimming in any water where I cannot see the bottom. I'm not a fan of critters, and seaweed around my legs freaks me out.


 DH loves to snorkel in Kauai...beautiful clear water, but I'm squeamish about fish touching me.

Yes, I know I'm a whale compared to them. evileye

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 It's freaky the first time or two you snorkel.  The fish are tasting you.  Freaked me out!



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I'm not a fan of swimming in any water where I cannot see the bottom. I'm not a fan of critters, and seaweed around my legs freaks me out.


 DH loves to snorkel in Kauai...beautiful clear water, but I'm squeamish about fish touching me.

Yes, I know I'm a whale compared to them. evileye

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 It's freaky the first time or two you snorkel.  The fish are tasting you.  Freaked me out!


 I knew it! LOL

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Yeah, I've snorkeled off Cabo San Lucas. Little fishes nibbling on my legs. It was weird.

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That would be so cute!

The only thing that scares me about murky water is inferi, but I've read way to much Harry Potter

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Swimming in a dead body of water is toxic.



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lilyofcourse wrote:

Swimming in a dead body of water is toxic.


 So no bacteria exists in "live" bodies of water?

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Absolutely it exists.

Actually, those brain eating amoeba thrive in fresh water.



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Florida swamps are full of parasites and bacteria. Those "lakes" at Disney are just prettied up swamps.

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Yeah, they are.

But that is nature doing what nature does.

THAT'S about as "organic" as it gets.



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If you check the history of Disney, the whole park is "just prettied up swamps"

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lilyofcourse wrote:

Yeah, they are.

But that is nature doing what nature does.

THAT'S about as "organic" as it gets.


 Well sh!t is organic but I am not swimming in that. 

It's common sense - the water is brown and I see plants coming up out of the water, it's probably not safe for people for a whole variety of reasons. 



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Just because it is organic doesn't mean it is good for you or pure.

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Yeah, they are.

But that is nature doing what nature does.

THAT'S about as "organic" as it gets.


 Well sh!t is organic but I am not swimming in that. 

It's common sense - the water is brown and I see plants coming up out of the water, it's probably not safe for people for a whole variety of reasons. 


 LOL!!! Yes, you see plants.

Because the swamp is alive.

The water isn't brown.

That's the plant life.

You sound pretty silly.

I do not recommend swimming in the swamp.

But that water is not dirty, nasty or anything else.

It's like you don't know anything about ecosystems or live water sources.

 



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I've never known "nature" to be all clean and pure. No matter where you are.

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Mellow Momma wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:

Yeah, they are.

But that is nature doing what nature does.

THAT'S about as "organic" as it gets.


 Well sh!t is organic but I am not swimming in that. 

It's common sense - the water is brown and I see plants coming up out of the water, it's probably not safe for people for a whole variety of reasons. 


 After we finish swimming, we could go roll in some poison ivy!!!

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lilyofcourse wrote:
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Yeah, they are.

But that is nature doing what nature does.

THAT'S about as "organic" as it gets.


 Well sh!t is organic but I am not swimming in that. 

It's common sense - the water is brown and I see plants coming up out of the water, it's probably not safe for people for a whole variety of reasons. 


 LOL!!! Yes, you see plants.

Because the swamp is alive.

The water isn't brown.

That's the plant life.

You sound pretty silly.

I do not recommend swimming in the swamp.

But that water is not dirty, nasty or anything else.

It's like you don't know anything about ecosystems or live water sources.

 


 Lily, this argument is ridiculous.  Just because it's natural doesn't mean it isn't dirty.  DIRT is natural and DIRTY.  There are parasites in that water.  Nature makes people sick all the time.  



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Reminder: Stay Out of Florida Lakes!!!


 

 

I’ve been seeing a trend, lately, of wedding parties, disneymooners, or trash-the-dress sessions doing things that involve getting into the lakes on Walt Disney World property. Many of these lakes have signs that warn against swimming in the lake, but I feel like many vacationers believe that the warnings are just for gators and other sharp-toothed critters, so dipping in the occasional toe or taking a quick swim is no big deal. Unfortunately, this is not the case.

Yes, it’s true that there are gators in the lakes at Walt Disney World. However, just like the occasional gators you see at the resorts, these gators are probably trying to stay about as far from populated areas as they can, so you won’t see gators rushing up the beach to eat the mickey-eared newlyweds standing at the edge of the water. I’m not going to tell you not to worry about gators while you’re in Florida, because you should always be smart about being anywhere near wildlife, but I will tell you that they aren’t your biggest problem when it comes to the lakes.


The biggest problem with Florida lake water is bacteria, viruses, and parasites. Not surprisingly, the water is filled with them. This is, of course, true of many freshwater lakes around the country, but Florida lakes have a special problem that has to do with the state’s climate and it creates conditions that are dangerous, if not deadly.

One of the more notorious of these parasites is a microscopic creature called the naegleria fowleri amoeba. This amoeba lives in water that is warmer than 80 degrees Fahrenheit, so it thrives on the edges of Florida lakes where the water is warm. The amoeba is also more likely to thrive in water that has been stagnant, a condition that occurs in lakes when fresh rainwater isn’t enough to compensate for droughts like the ones Florida has had in recent years.

Here’s a quote from CNN about the amoeba:

The amoeba enters the human body through the nose. It then travels to the brain, where it begins to feed. Symptoms of the amoeba’s rampage begin 1 to 14 days after infection and resemble the flu. At the onset of those symptoms the amoeba victim’s health swiftly declines. At this point, says Dr. Kevin Sherin of the Orange County Health Department who is investigating three deaths this summer in Florida, “It’s progressing very rapidly and then there’s a downhill course for them there. Folks lapse into a coma, there are abnormal movements of the eyes and a terrible cascade of events leading to the actual death of parts of the brain.”


How gross is that? It’s not limited to just putting your face in the water either. Being close enough to the water to inhale any tiny droplets is enough.

People who have visited Walt Disney World for most of their lives may remember when lake swimming was common and encouraged at the resorts. Climate changes and a better understanding of the microscopic dangers in the water have changed this policy and now there is a strict don’t-get-in-the-water policy at most of the lake areas. It’s true that fishing is still allowed, but it’s strictly catch and release. Part of this is because they want the lake to stay stocked, but another big part has to do with Disney not wanting to be responsible for the microscopic organisms you could be ingesting.

The whole brain-eating amoeba isn’t the only thing out there. Here is a short list of the other things that experts warn Florida lake swimmers about:

Cryptosporidiosis: A diarrheal disease caused by a parasite that lives in human and animal intestines. The parasite can survive outside the body for a long time and resist chlorine disinfection. One mouthful of contaminated water can cause infection.
E coli: A strain of bacteria that causes severe diarrhea with bleeding and abdominal cramps. Primarily spread through uncooked meat, it can be contracted by swimming in contaminated water.
Giardiasis: A diarrheal illness caused by a parasite that lives in the intestines of people and animals. One of the most common causes of waterborne disease in the United States, it is contracted by mouth contact with feces-contaminated water.
Hepatitis A: Caused by a virus, this disease may be spread by contact with water contaminated with human feces or by people who did not wash their hands properly. Symptoms include fever, loss of appetite and nausea, although children younger than 3 may not have symptoms but can still spread the virus.
Leptospirosis: A bacterial disease that could include high fever, severe headache, chills and vomiting. Untreated, it can cause kidney or liver damage, meningitis and, in rare cases, death. Caused by exposure to water contaminated with the urine of infected animals.
Shigellosis: A bacterial disease that causes diarrhea, fever and stomach cramps and is spread by contact with fecal material.
Swimmer’s itch: A skin rash caused by an allergic reaction to parasites found in birds and mammals that is spread by snails. The parasites are found in salt water and fresh water. Burning and itching symptoms may get worse with more exposure.
Viral gastroenteritis: Watery diarrhea and vomiting caused by a number of viruses, such as Norwalk virus. May be spread by swallowing water contaminated by infected individuals.

Gross, gross, gross. I know that a certain amount of gross is going to come with lake swimming anywhere, or even swimming pool swimming, but the warm climate in Florida and the stagnation of the water due to drought make that water super gross and very dangerous.

Side note: I’ve also had the pleasure of watching two different people get sick into the lakes after partying too hard during my days at the college program. With all those people milling around, I think the stats on people-contributions to the lake have got to be pretty foul.

So, please (for my sake) stay out of the lakes at Walt Disney World. There are lots of things you can do with the amazing swimming pools or the water parks if you’re looking to add a little watery fun to your wedding celebration or honeymoon. Unless you’re actually on fire, there’s nothing that’s so important that you need to get into one of those lakes.



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That article was from 2010, which is interesting b/c it takes an "of course there are alligators in Disney lakes" approach.


Since this article was written, the CDC has come out with additional warning about flesh and brain eating bacteria in the lakes.

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I may need to stop reading this thread. My skin is starting to itch...

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Yeah, they are.

But that is nature doing what nature does.

THAT'S about as "organic" as it gets.


 Well sh!t is organic but I am not swimming in that. 

It's common sense - the water is brown and I see plants coming up out of the water, it's probably not safe for people for a whole variety of reasons. 


 LOL!!! Yes, you see plants.

Because the swamp is alive.

The water isn't brown.

That's the plant life.

You sound pretty silly.

I do not recommend swimming in the swamp.

But that water is not dirty, nasty or anything else.

It's like you don't know anything about ecosystems or live water sources.

 


 Right. I am the one who sounds silly. Lol

I know plenty about ecosystems - which is why I wouldn't swim in that lake. It seems you know precious little about stagnant water. It's not a swimming hole. 



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A headline from MSN today:

WESTERVILLE, OH (WCMH)–A Westerville teen has died after contracting a brain-eating amoeba while swimming on a church trip.

The 18-year-old girl contracted meningoencephalitis, according to a representative of Westerville City Schools. Franklin County Public Health is investigating.

The disease is only contracted through natural water sources when water is drawn into the body through the nose, according to the health department. There are several different types of the disease and several different carriers; all affect the brain.

The scientific name of the “brain-eating” amoeba is Naegleria fowleri, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. It “is commonly found in warm freshwater (e.g. lakes, rivers, and hot springs) and soil.” It can also occur when contaminated water from other sources, such as “inadequately chlorinated swimming pool water or heated and contaminated tap water,” enters through the nose. The CDC said it cannot be contracted by swallowing tainted water.

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I said I wouldnt recommend swimming in it.

All I'm saying is, it's silly to have a hissy fit over the water, the lake. It's doing what it is supposed to do.

City people are funny when it comes to these things.

And yeah, I know about the parasites.

I said as much.

I just have this mental picture of some of ya'll all scrunched up going "ewww.... It's gross" holding a bottle of hand sanitizer.



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I never use hand sanitizer.

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I never use hand sanitizer.

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 Neither do I. It kills the beneficial bacteria. 



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I never use hand sanitizer.

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 Neither do I. It kills the beneficial bacteria. 


 I use it, I keep it in my car and use it after shopping... you know when you can't get to a place to wash your hands with soap.



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I said I wouldnt recommend swimming in it.

All I'm saying is, it's silly to have a hissy fit over the water, the lake. It's doing what it is supposed to do.

City people are funny when it comes to these things.

And yeah, I know about the parasites.

I said as much.

I just have this mental picture of some of ya'll all scrunched up going "ewww.... It's gross" holding a bottle of hand sanitizer.


 Well your mental picture is insulting. The water is not fit for swimming. Not sure how that simple fact makes me such a city person - whatever that means. I grew up playing in the creek by my house. Didn't submerge in it, just caught cray fish and horsed around with the boys down the street. But way to stereotype!! 



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I said I wouldnt recommend swimming in it.

All I'm saying is, it's silly to have a hissy fit over the water, the lake. It's doing what it is supposed to do.

City people are funny when it comes to these things.

And yeah, I know about the parasites.

I said as much.

I just have this mental picture of some of ya'll all scrunched up going "ewww.... It's gross" holding a bottle of hand sanitizer.


 Well your mental picture is insulting. The water is not fit for swimming. Not sure how that simple fact makes me such a city person - whatever that means. I grew up playing in the creek by my house. Didn't submerge in it, just caught cray fish and horsed around with the boys down the street. But way to stereotype!! 


 Aww... boo hoo. 

 



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I said I wouldnt recommend swimming in it.

All I'm saying is, it's silly to have a hissy fit over the water, the lake. It's doing what it is supposed to do.

City people are funny when it comes to these things.

And yeah, I know about the parasites.

I said as much.

I just have this mental picture of some of ya'll all scrunched up going "ewww.... It's gross" holding a bottle of hand sanitizer.


 Well your mental picture is insulting. The water is not fit for swimming. Not sure how that simple fact makes me such a city person - whatever that means. I grew up playing in the creek by my house. Didn't submerge in it, just caught cray fish and horsed around with the boys down the street. But way to stereotype!! 


 Aww... boo hoo. 

 


 



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Who the hell is having a hissy fit? What we have said is that it is nasty and not for swimming.

You are the one having hissy fit b/c you just can't stand that people think something you might swim in is nasty. Feel free to do whatever you want - have fun with the parasites.

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That's probably the cleanest water you can find, it's natural.

Nature isn't well manicured and tidy.


 And this is a flat out STUPID comment.  It's full of bacteria and parasites - it is NOT clean.  



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Who the hell is having a hissy fit? What we have said is that it is nasty and not for swimming.

You are the one having hissy fit b/c you just can't stand that people think something you might swim in is nasty. Feel free to do whatever you want - have fun with the parasites.


 I've said repeatedly I wouldn't recommend swimming in it.

I guess that part of my posts are not showing up on ya'lls computers. 

 



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Who the hell is having a hissy fit? What we have said is that it is nasty and not for swimming.

You are the one having hissy fit b/c you just can't stand that people think something you might swim in is nasty. Feel free to do whatever you want - have fun with the parasites.


 I've said repeatedly I wouldn't recommend swimming in it.

I guess that part of my posts are not showing up on ya'lls computers. 

 


 Oh, we saw the backpedaling - after everything else you said.  



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That's probably the cleanest water you can find, it's natural.

Nature isn't well manicured and tidy.


 And this is a flat out STUPID comment.  It's full of bacteria and parasites - it is NOT clean.  


 Honey, you are the "has to be organic" queen.

Well, this is what organic looks like.

No. I would not swim in it.

No. I wouldnt drink it.

But it is doing exactly what it is meant to do.

It's natural and it's clean for its ecosystem. 

It's a live, active swamp.

It isn't gross or disgusting. 

It's completely self sustaining.

It's completely organic.

It's actually quite beautiful. 



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Who the hell is having a hissy fit? What we have said is that it is nasty and not for swimming.

You are the one having hissy fit b/c you just can't stand that people think something you might swim in is nasty. Feel free to do whatever you want - have fun with the parasites.


 I've said repeatedly I wouldn't recommend swimming in it.

I guess that part of my posts are not showing up on ya'lls computers. 

 


 Oh, we saw the backpedaling - after everything else you said.  


 No. I'm not.



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How incredibly sad. I don't know how a parent would begin to process this.

That child, most likely, wont be found.

And 9 pm in Florida is what, 6pm in Nebraska?

This sounds like a terrible tragedy.




 



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lilyofcourse wrote:
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That's probably the cleanest water you can find, it's natural.

Nature isn't well manicured and tidy.


 And this is a flat out STUPID comment.  It's full of bacteria and parasites - it is NOT clean.  


 Honey, you are the "has to be organic" queen.

Well, this is what organic looks like.

No. I would not swim in it.

No. I wouldnt drink it.

But it is doing exactly what it is meant to do.

It's natural and it's clean for its ecosystem. 

It's a live, active swamp.

It isn't gross or disgusting. 

It's completely self sustaining.

It's completely organic.

It's actually quite beautiful. 


 Why don't you try some perspective.  We are talking about beaches and lakes and where we want to swim.  We are NOT talking about the untouched green space.  

 

If you can't understand the difference - I can't help you.

 

And yes, I like organic over pesticides, but I still wash everything with treated, CLEAN water, not bacteria laden swamp water.  Ever heard of malaria, dysentery?

 

Hundreds of thousands of people DIE around the world because they have to rely on"natural"  unclean water.



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I was going to repost all my threads and ask you where I said "go swim in it".

But it would take up too much space.

I did reread each of my posts.

There isn't a single one that says swimming in it is ok. Or drinking it or bathing in it or even wadding in it.

All I said is, it is a clean, alive ecosystem doing just what it is supposed to do.

And yes, it is naturally clean.

That's what the plants in the water are doing.

And fact that the plants are thriving means it is alive.

Not back peddling because I've said the same thing EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.

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I was going to repost all my threads and ask you where I said "go swim in it".

But it would take up too much space.

I did reread each of my posts.

There isn't a single one that says swimming in it is ok. Or drinking it or bathing in it or even wadding in it.

All I said is, it is a clean, alive ecosystem doing just what it is supposed to do.

And yes, it is naturally clean.

That's what the plants in the water are doing.

And fact that the plants are thriving means it is alive.

Not back peddling because I've said the same thing EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.


 All people said is they would not swim in it because it looked nasty and disgusting and you got all high and mighty about natural beauty and how it's the cleanest water ever.  

Newsflash - natural water is NOT clean.  It's full of sh!t.  Literally.



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Lawyerlady wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:

I was going to repost all my threads and ask you where I said "go swim in it".

But it would take up too much space.

I did reread each of my posts.

There isn't a single one that says swimming in it is ok. Or drinking it or bathing in it or even wadding in it.

All I said is, it is a clean, alive ecosystem doing just what it is supposed to do.

And yes, it is naturally clean.

That's what the plants in the water are doing.

And fact that the plants are thriving means it is alive.

Not back peddling because I've said the same thing EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.


 All people said is they would not swim in it because it looked nasty and disgusting and you got all high and mighty about natural beauty and how it's the cleanest water ever.  

Newsflash - natural water is NOT clean.  It's full of sh!t.  Literally.


 And yet swimming in the ocean is completely acceptable. 

Of course there is crap in the water.

Show me where I said clean meant crap free.

I said it's probably cleaner than it looks.

 

That doesn't mean it's pure for drinking or swimming.

 

 



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Sigh. The ocean is salt water, Lily.

Larger bodies of water have the ability to keep themselves cleaner. Stagnant, land-locked bodies of water are just petrie dishes.

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www.wateraid.org/us/what-we-do/the-crisis



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The water isn't stagnant.

It's alive.

It has a built in filtration system.



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Swamps have built in filtration systems?

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Swamps have built in filtration systems?


 Swamps ARE the filters of the earth. :)



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Swamps have built in filtration systems?


 Swamps ARE the filters of the earth. :)


 Surprizing, isn't it?



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Swamps have built in filtration systems?


 Swamps ARE the filters of the earth. :)


 Surprizing, isn't it?


 We have what we call bogs here, they are all protected areas now.



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