Q. Daughter wants late-term abortion: My daughter left her husband, and now wants to abort what had been a wanted pregnancy. She is too far along to terminate in our state, but she could get it done elsewhere. She asked me for money, to cover transportation and the procedure itself. My daughter says that she can’t have a child with her soon-to-be-ex and that he would block an adoption. This devastates me. I thought I was pro-choice, but everything in me screams that this is wrong. But my daughter said that if I don’t help her, she’ll have to find “some other way,” and I’m afraid of what that might mean. Also, my husband doesn’t yet know that our daughter wants to abort, but he would be even more devastated than I am. Should I help my daughter do this, or not?
A: Being pro-choice doesn’t mean the specifics of every single abortion fills you with joy; being pro-choice simply means you believe the only person who should decide whether or not a woman should carry her pregnancy to term is the woman in question. It’s understandable that you might grieve the loss of what you hoped would be your grandchild, but you need to deal with your emotions about this on your own, and not use your sadness as a reason to pressure your daughter into carrying an unwanted pregnancy to term. Your daughter was happy to have a child in a stable partnership under certain conditions but doesn’t feel equipped to have one by herself in the middle of a divorce and is determined to have an abortion. She’s going to get an abortion no matter how you feel about it. You can either make having one more difficult for her, or you can help. That choice, at least, is yours alone.
I am pro choice and I think this advice is absolutely horrid.
The pregnant woman in the OP needs to see a counselor ASAP. She is in severe depression over the loss of her relationship and doesn't know how to cope. This is what needs addressed. She left her husband - was there a reason for this? Did she just wake up and decide to leave him? I wonder if she is struggling with the idea of motherhood and is ruining her life to avoid becoming a mother? It's highly possible. She need help.
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DD was an angel sent to me. She was born 4 months after I left the abusive marriage I was in. I've never regretted going through that horrid time because I believe she was my reward.
ETA to add that the daughter absolutely needs counseling.
-- Edited by I know what to do_sometimes on Sunday 19th of June 2016 01:25:12 PM
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Lily, people are not robots programed to act a certain way when they reach a certain age. We are filled with emotions and heartache and bad decisions and we all need God because we can't do things on our own.
I agree with Mellow Momma that it's terrible advice. Talk about laying a guilt trip on the mom. I wish there were more to the story as to why she left her husband.
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Was it a bad day?
Or was it a bad five minutes that you milked all day?
But you don't kill your baby because you left your husband.
She does need counseling.
And she needs to grow up and think about someone other than herself. She needs to think of the baby she wanted until she left her husband.
Selfish little girl.
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I agree that the dd needs counseling. I feel like she is reacting to her hurt and will regret this big time and this is something you can't undo. She may not be able to stop her daughter but she shouldn't have to pay for it either.
Of course it matter why she left. If her husband is abusive or if she just found out he has been cheating on her for months...that's a reasonable response. If she just up and left him one day with no explanation and without warning...that's not reasonable and shows signs of making really bad decisions. Perhaps she is on the throes of a serious breakdown and needs intervention. We need the context around the decision to leave her husband to determine if it was reasonable or not. It actually sounds like she is going out of her way to wreck her own life. She needs help.
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Of course it matter why she left. If her husband is abusive or if she just found out he has been cheating on her for months...that's a reasonable response. If she just up and left him one day with no explanation and without warning...that's not reasonable and shows signs of making really bad decisions. Perhaps she is on the throes of a serious breakdown and needs intervention. We need the context around the decision to leave her husband to determine if it was reasonable or not. It actually sounds like she is going out of her way to wreck her own life. She needs help.
For wanting to abort the baby, the reasons for her marital breakdown means zero.
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She notes her soon-to-be ex-husband would block the abortion. Does this mean he would raise the child? Or just what?? She doesn't want the child and she doesn't want him to have it, either? Definitely she needs counseling....
Killing a late term baby because of a man is reasonable?
Ok.
You just lost any credibility and any respect I had for you.
There is no reason on God's green earth or in Heaven or Hell to abort a baby.
Especially a baby in the third trimester.
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But, the wonderful thing is, you DON'T get to tell another woman what to do.
flan
Then she can pay for it and all that comes along with it (transportation, lodging) herself. She wants to murder her child and have her mother be an accomplice. She should be sterilized during the procedure.
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She notes her soon-to-be ex-husband would block the abortion. Does this mean he would raise the child? Or just what?? She doesn't want the child and she doesn't want him to have it, either? Definitely she needs counseling....
Yep, the father has no control over his own child. Very sad.
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Sometimes you're the windshield, and sometimes you're the bug.
Obviously men and fathers have no rights whatsoever in their world. Or grandparents or the child him/herself. Mom and only mom is all that matters. Me, myself and I. Me, me, me.
Prudie is her usual moronic self. BTW, Prudie? Really? This writer is a "prude" in the old fashioned sense of ettiquette and manners? Um no. Let's just call her Mallory which is her name and forget the Prudie part because that is absurd.
And, no Prudie Mallory you are wrong. She may or may not get the abortion "anyway". She might not if mom isn't going to just cave in and help her.
Killing a late term baby because of a man is reasonable?
Ok.
You just lost any credibility and any respect I had for you.
There is no reason on God's green earth or in Heaven or Hell to abort a baby.
Especially a baby in the third trimester.
Your failure to read never ceases to amaze me. I stated that it mattered why she left him to determine if her leaving was reasonable at all. If she isn't being reasonable about leaving him she needs help. I never ever brought up the abortion.
-- Edited by Mellow Momma on Sunday 19th of June 2016 07:22:45 PM
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Out of all the lies I have told, "just kidding" is my favorite !
Obviously men and fathers have no rights whatsoever in their world. Or grandparents or the child him/herself. Mom and only mom is all that matters. Me, myself and I. Me, me, me.
1. Grandparents? No, not before the baby is born (and often, not after)
2. The unborn child? How are you going to force a pregnant woman to go to full-term? Lock her up?
Obviously men and fathers have no rights whatsoever in their world. Or grandparents or the child him/herself. Mom and only mom is all that matters. Me, myself and I. Me, me, me.
1. Grandparents? No, not before the baby is born (and often, not after)
2. The unborn child? How are you going to force a pregnant woman to go to full-term? Lock her up?
flan
I don't have to provide her with a doctor and an anesthetist. Figure it out for yourself.
Obviously men and fathers have no rights whatsoever in their world. Or grandparents or the child him/herself. Mom and only mom is all that matters. Me, myself and I. Me, me, me.
1. Grandparents? No, not before the baby is born (and often, not after)
2. The unborn child? How are you going to force a pregnant woman to go to full-term? Lock her up?
flan
I don't have to provide her with a doctor and an anesthetist. Figure it out for yourself.
It's all well & good for you to rant about "rights," though.
And actually, I don't need to figure anything out.
Obviously men and fathers have no rights whatsoever in their world. Or grandparents or the child him/herself. Mom and only mom is all that matters. Me, myself and I. Me, me, me.
1. Grandparents? No, not before the baby is born (and often, not after)
2. The unborn child? How are you going to force a pregnant woman to go to full-term? Lock her up?
flan
If she aborts late term, charge her with murder.
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America guarantees equal opportunity, not equal outcome...
But, the wonderful thing is, you DON'T get to tell another woman what to do.
flan
That's right. Support the malicious killing of an innocent, third trimester baby.
Not at all surprised.
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A flock of flirting flamingos is pure, passionate, pink pandemonium-a frenetic flamingle-mangle-a discordant discotheque of delirious dancing, flamboyant feathers, and flamingo lingo.
Killing a late term baby because of a man is reasonable?
Ok.
You just lost any credibility and any respect I had for you.
There is no reason on God's green earth or in Heaven or Hell to abort a baby.
Especially a baby in the third trimester.
And, in America, you are welcome to your OPINION.
flan
And if you support third trimester abortions, well, you're a monster.
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A flock of flirting flamingos is pure, passionate, pink pandemonium-a frenetic flamingle-mangle-a discordant discotheque of delirious dancing, flamboyant feathers, and flamingo lingo.
Killing a late term baby because of a man is reasonable?
Ok.
You just lost any credibility and any respect I had for you.
There is no reason on God's green earth or in Heaven or Hell to abort a baby.
Especially a baby in the third trimester.
Your failure to read never ceases to amaze me. I stated that it mattered why she left him to determine if her leaving was reasonable at all. If she isn't being reasonable about leaving him she needs help. I never ever brought up the abortion.
-- Edited by Mellow Momma on Sunday 19th of June 2016 07:22:45 PM
The letter isn't asking if leaving the husband was reasonable.
It's asking about third trimester abortion.
Third trimester abortion is NEVER ok.
No matter the reason.
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A flock of flirting flamingos is pure, passionate, pink pandemonium-a frenetic flamingle-mangle-a discordant discotheque of delirious dancing, flamboyant feathers, and flamingo lingo.
Obviously men and fathers have no rights whatsoever in their world. Or grandparents or the child him/herself. Mom and only mom is all that matters. Me, myself and I. Me, me, me.
1. Grandparents? No, not before the baby is born (and often, not after)
2. The unborn child? How are you going to force a pregnant woman to go to full-term? Lock her up?
flan
1. Unfortunately, this is true.
2. You're better believe it!
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A flock of flirting flamingos is pure, passionate, pink pandemonium-a frenetic flamingle-mangle-a discordant discotheque of delirious dancing, flamboyant feathers, and flamingo lingo.
Obviously men and fathers have no rights whatsoever in their world. Or grandparents or the child him/herself. Mom and only mom is all that matters. Me, myself and I. Me, me, me.
1. Grandparents? No, not before the baby is born (and often, not after)
2. The unborn child? How are you going to force a pregnant woman to go to full-term? Lock her up?
flan
How about not allowing abortion? Once one is pregnant, they have an obligation to another human. If you don't want that responsibility, don't get pregnant. How would you like it if itty bitty had been aborted?
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Sometimes you're the windshield, and sometimes you're the bug.
Obviously men and fathers have no rights whatsoever in their world. Or grandparents or the child him/herself. Mom and only mom is all that matters. Me, myself and I. Me, me, me.
1. Grandparents? No, not before the baby is born (and often, not after)
2. The unborn child? How are you going to force a pregnant woman to go to full-term? Lock her up?
flan
How about not allowing abortion? Once one is pregnant, they have an obligation to another human. If you don't want that responsibility, don't get pregnant. How would you like it if itty bitty had been aborted?
Exactly!
And now you've set her off.
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A flock of flirting flamingos is pure, passionate, pink pandemonium-a frenetic flamingle-mangle-a discordant discotheque of delirious dancing, flamboyant feathers, and flamingo lingo.
Obviously men and fathers have no rights whatsoever in their world. Or grandparents or the child him/herself. Mom and only mom is all that matters. Me, myself and I. Me, me, me.
1. Grandparents? No, not before the baby is born (and often, not after)
2. The unborn child? How are you going to force a pregnant woman to go to full-term? Lock her up?
flan
I don't have to provide her with a doctor and an anesthetist. Figure it out for yourself.
It's all well & good for you to rant about "rights," though.
And actually, I don't need to figure anything out.
Obviously men and fathers have no rights whatsoever in their world. Or grandparents or the child him/herself. Mom and only mom is all that matters. Me, myself and I. Me, me, me.
1. Grandparents? No, not before the baby is born (and often, not after)
2. The unborn child? How are you going to force a pregnant woman to go to full-term? Lock her up?
flan
How about not allowing abortion? Once one is pregnant, they have an obligation to another human. If you don't want that responsibility, don't get pregnant. How would you like it if itty bitty had been aborted?
A flock of flirting flamingos is pure, passionate, pink pandemonium-a frenetic flamingle-mangle-a discordant discotheque of delirious dancing, flamboyant feathers, and flamingo lingo.
Killing a late term baby because of a man is reasonable?
Ok.
You just lost any credibility and any respect I had for you.
There is no reason on God's green earth or in Heaven or Hell to abort a baby.
Especially a baby in the third trimester.
Your failure to read never ceases to amaze me. I stated that it mattered why she left him to determine if her leaving was reasonable at all. If she isn't being reasonable about leaving him she needs help. I never ever brought up the abortion.
-- Edited by Mellow Momma on Sunday 19th of June 2016 07:22:45 PM
The letter isn't asking if leaving the husband was reasonable.
It's asking about third trimester abortion.
Third trimester abortion is NEVER ok.
No matter the reason.
No it does not ask about leaving the husband. What I am attempting to do, see if you can follow along, is determine if there is a pattern of irrational thinking here. If she just up and left her husband for no reason, and now wants to abort this baby, she she is in the midst of a pattern of bad behavior and has deep issues that need resolved. If this is the first questionable decision she has made, then there is another way to tackle this issue. She needs counseling before this baby is born. She cannot parent it and will need help regardless of what she chooses to do.
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Out of all the lies I have told, "just kidding" is my favorite !
Obviously men and fathers have no rights whatsoever in their world. Or grandparents or the child him/herself. Mom and only mom is all that matters. Me, myself and I. Me, me, me.
1. Grandparents? No, not before the baby is born (and often, not after)
2. The unborn child? How are you going to force a pregnant woman to go to full-term? Lock her up?
flan
How about not allowing abortion? Once one is pregnant, they have an obligation to another human. If you don't want that responsibility, don't get pregnant. How would you like it if itty bitty had been aborted?
Channeling chef, I see...
Polly wanna cracker?
flan
Nope, not Chef, just every other decent human being.
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Sometimes you're the windshield, and sometimes you're the bug.
Obviously men and fathers have no rights whatsoever in their world. Or grandparents or the child him/herself. Mom and only mom is all that matters. Me, myself and I. Me, me, me.
1. Grandparents? No, not before the baby is born (and often, not after)
2. The unborn child? How are you going to force a pregnant woman to go to full-term? Lock her up?
flan
How about not allowing abortion? Once one is pregnant, they have an obligation to another human. If you don't want that responsibility, don't get pregnant. How would you like it if itty bitty had been aborted?
Channeling chef, I see...
Polly wanna cracker?
flan
Nope, not Chef, just every other decent human being.
IKWTDS: I knew the minute you mentioned Itty Bitty, Flan was going to accuse you of channeling me. So predictable. And, she won't answer as to how she'd feel if Itty Bitty had been aborted. What she will do is go off on how horrible it is to bring Itty Bitty into this (even though she's recently brought Lily's kids and Mawmaw into threads) and give vague responses about rights.
Flan: Since you brought my name into it, yes, I would like a cracker. Of course, cheese is required on that cracker. You, however, can keep the whine
Killing a late term baby because of a man is reasonable?
Ok.
You just lost any credibility and any respect I had for you.
There is no reason on God's green earth or in Heaven or Hell to abort a baby.
Especially a baby in the third trimester.
Your failure to read never ceases to amaze me. I stated that it mattered why she left him to determine if her leaving was reasonable at all. If she isn't being reasonable about leaving him she needs help. I never ever brought up the abortion.
-- Edited by Mellow Momma on Sunday 19th of June 2016 07:22:45 PM
The letter isn't asking if leaving the husband was reasonable.
It's asking about third trimester abortion.
Third trimester abortion is NEVER ok.
No matter the reason.
No it does not ask about leaving the husband. What I am attempting to do, see if you can follow along, is determine if there is a pattern of irrational thinking here. If she just up and left her husband for no reason, and now wants to abort this baby, she she is in the midst of a pattern of bad behavior and has deep issues that need resolved. If this is the first questionable decision she has made, then there is another way to tackle this issue. She needs counseling before this baby is born. She cannot parent it and will need help regardless of what she chooses to do.
And not one bit of that matters when it comes to aborting the baby.
Two issues.
The LW is asking about the baby.
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A flock of flirting flamingos is pure, passionate, pink pandemonium-a frenetic flamingle-mangle-a discordant discotheque of delirious dancing, flamboyant feathers, and flamingo lingo.
Obviously men and fathers have no rights whatsoever in their world. Or grandparents or the child him/herself. Mom and only mom is all that matters. Me, myself and I. Me, me, me.
1. Grandparents? No, not before the baby is born (and often, not after)
2. The unborn child? How are you going to force a pregnant woman to go to full-term? Lock her up?
flan
How about not allowing abortion? Once one is pregnant, they have an obligation to another human. If you don't want that responsibility, don't get pregnant. How would you like it if itty bitty had been aborted?
Channeling chef, I see...
Polly wanna cracker?
flan
Nope, not Chef, just every other decent human being.
IKWTDS: I knew the minute you mentioned Itty Bitty, Flan was going to accuse you of channeling me. So predictable. And, she won't answer as to how she'd feel if Itty Bitty had been aborted. What she will do is go off on how horrible it is to bring Itty Bitty into this (even though she's recently brought Lily's kids and Mawmaw into threads) and give vague responses about rights.
Flan: Since you brought my name into it, yes, I would like a cracker. Of course, cheese is required on that cracker. You, however, can keep the whine
Having you "lecture" me is about as successful as your son lecturing you.
Obviously men and fathers have no rights whatsoever in their world. Or grandparents or the child him/herself. Mom and only mom is all that matters. Me, myself and I. Me, me, me.
1. Grandparents? No, not before the baby is born (and often, not after)
2. The unborn child? How are you going to force a pregnant woman to go to full-term? Lock her up?
flan
How about not allowing abortion? Once one is pregnant, they have an obligation to another human. If you don't want that responsibility, don't get pregnant. How would you like it if itty bitty had been aborted?
Channeling chef, I see...
Polly wanna cracker?
flan
Nope, not Chef, just every other decent human being.
IKWTDS: I knew the minute you mentioned Itty Bitty, Flan was going to accuse you of channeling me. So predictable. And, she won't answer as to how she'd feel if Itty Bitty had been aborted. What she will do is go off on how horrible it is to bring Itty Bitty into this (even though she's recently brought Lily's kids and Mawmaw into threads) and give vague responses about rights.
Flan: Since you brought my name into it, yes, I would like a cracker. Of course, cheese is required on that cracker. You, however, can keep the whine
Having you "lecture" me is about as successful as your son lecturing you.
It's actually not obvious. You love Itty Bitty but you are also pro-choice. The answer based on your posts would be that you would've been 100% supportive of Itty Bitty's mom if she wanted to abort Itty Bitty since it's 'her body, her choice' (your words). However, one's positions on certain topics sometimes change when it hits home. I don't believe for one second that you would've told Itty Bitty's mom to go ahead with the abortion had she wanted one.
Killing a late term baby because of a man is reasonable?
Ok.
You just lost any credibility and any respect I had for you.
There is no reason on God's green earth or in Heaven or Hell to abort a baby.
Especially a baby in the third trimester.
Your failure to read never ceases to amaze me. I stated that it mattered why she left him to determine if her leaving was reasonable at all. If she isn't being reasonable about leaving him she needs help. I never ever brought up the abortion.
-- Edited by Mellow Momma on Sunday 19th of June 2016 07:22:45 PM
The letter isn't asking if leaving the husband was reasonable.
It's asking about third trimester abortion.
Third trimester abortion is NEVER ok.
No matter the reason.
No it does not ask about leaving the husband. What I am attempting to do, see if you can follow along, is determine if there is a pattern of irrational thinking here. If she just up and left her husband for no reason, and now wants to abort this baby, she she is in the midst of a pattern of bad behavior and has deep issues that need resolved. If this is the first questionable decision she has made, then there is another way to tackle this issue. She needs counseling before this baby is born. She cannot parent it and will need help regardless of what she chooses to do.
And not one bit of that matters when it comes to aborting the baby.
Two issues.
The LW is asking about the baby.
*headdesk*
lily. Seriously, she's not saying that it is reasonable to abort the baby.
Im pretty sure the LW would like to help her daughter if she is having a mental breakdown. Especially if getting her daughter help would cause her to reconsider her decision to abort.
She notes her soon-to-be ex-husband would block the abortion. Does this mean he would raise the child? Or just what?? She doesn't want the child and she doesn't want him to have it, either? Definitely she needs counseling....
He would block an adoption. Men have no say whatsoever regarding abortion.
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LawyerLady
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
Then give it to husband to raise and sign away your rights if you don't want to raise the child. You don't just kill him/her. And you don't ask your parents to pay for it.
She is one of those entitled who believes others should go along with, and support (financially and emotionally) every decision they make whether it's good or bad.
Obviously men and fathers have no rights whatsoever in their world. Or grandparents or the child him/herself. Mom and only mom is all that matters. Me, myself and I. Me, me, me.
1. Grandparents? No, not before the baby is born (and often, not after)
2. The unborn child? How are you going to force a pregnant woman to go to full-term? Lock her up?
flan
I don't have to provide her with a doctor and an anesthetist. Figure it out for yourself.
It's all well & good for you to rant about "rights," though.
And actually, I don't need to figure anything out.
flan
And it's all well and good for you to say on other threads that you support limitations, and yet not condemn doing this in the 3rd trimester.
And what the hell states allow 3rd trimester abortions.
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LawyerLady
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.