Its great that this man was stopped from killing more people. I thought a "mass shooting" was killing 4 or more?
And if he had been allowed to continue, there most likely WOULD have been a mass shooting. The CCP holder prevented that from happening...
And that's good news. BUT, the problem is, when a wanna-be hero starts shooting after too many drinks & kills an innocent bystander.
flan
So it's better for the innocent bystander to be shot by a mass shooter than someone trying to protect the masses...got it!
Quote me.
flan
And that's good news. BUT, the problem is, when a wanna-be hero starts shooting after too many drinks & kills an innocent bystander.
Here ya go! There is not another way to interpret that...
-- Edited by Ohfour on Thursday 30th of June 2016 12:56:23 PM
Here ya go!
If someone is KILLED, I'm sure it really matters to their surviving family if they were killed by a wanna-be hero OR a mass shooter.
flan
It absolutely would!!!!!! I would MUCH rather my child be killed accidentally by someone protecting other than by an effin mass shooter. That would make all the difference in the world to me...
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The shooter was trying to kill people. The hero was trying to prevent him. I don't want to live in a world where the hero doesn't shoot be cause he MIGHT hurt someone while the shooter is trying to do exactly that.
-- Edited by Tinydancer on Thursday 30th of June 2016 01:47:30 PM
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My state just passed a law...YESTERDAY...that if I can am carry permit holder and I am in a business that does not allow guns...and I am shot, then I can sue the business. For a lot. By taking my right to defend myself away, they take responsibility for me.
God, I love this state!!!!!
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America guarantees equal opportunity, not equal outcome...
So you can't carry unless you're willing to kill someone and not just stop them? This guy absolutely did the right thing. I'll never understand the sitting duck mentality that gets displayed here.
...it is proper protocol to aim for the chest. Anyone trained in the proper use of a firearm would know this.
That should be changed then. If others had aimed for the leg instead of the chest the country would be in far less turmoil.
The idea is, aim for center of mass so you're more likely to hit him SOMEWHERE. Legs are generally moving targets.
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So you can't carry unless you're willing to kill someone and not just stop them? This guy absolutely did the right thing. I'll never understand the sitting duck mentality that gets displayed here.
...it is proper protocol to aim for the chest. Anyone trained in the proper use of a firearm would know this.
That should be changed then. If others had aimed for the leg instead of the chest the country would be in far less turmoil.
The idea is, aim for center of mass so you're more likely to hit him SOMEWHERE. Legs are generally moving targets.
So you can't carry unless you're willing to kill someone and not just stop them? This guy absolutely did the right thing. I'll never understand the sitting duck mentality that gets displayed here.
...it is proper protocol to aim for the chest. Anyone trained in the proper use of a firearm would know this.
That should be changed then. If others had aimed for the leg instead of the chest the country would be in far less turmoil.
The idea is, aim for center of mass so you're more likely to hit him SOMEWHERE. Legs are generally moving targets.
exactly.
And he probably DID aim for center mass. That's proves the theory...
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America guarantees equal opportunity, not equal outcome...
So you can't carry unless you're willing to kill someone and not just stop them? This guy absolutely did the right thing. I'll never understand the sitting duck mentality that gets displayed here.
...it is proper protocol to aim for the chest. Anyone trained in the proper use of a firearm would know this.
That should be changed then. If others had aimed for the leg instead of the chest the country would be in far less turmoil.
The idea is, aim for center of mass so you're more likely to hit him SOMEWHERE. Legs are generally moving targets.
exactly.
The shooter was standing still shooting into a crowd.
Unless he was just trying to incapacitate because he didn't want or need to kill him to stop him.
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“Until I discovered cooking, I was never really interested in anything.” ― Julia Child ―
So you can't carry unless you're willing to kill someone and not just stop them? This guy absolutely did the right thing. I'll never understand the sitting duck mentality that gets displayed here.
...it is proper protocol to aim for the chest. Anyone trained in the proper use of a firearm would know this.
That should be changed then. If others had aimed for the leg instead of the chest the country would be in far less turmoil.
The idea is, aim for center of mass so you're more likely to hit him SOMEWHERE. Legs are generally moving targets.
exactly.
The shooter was standing still shooting into a crowd.
Unless he was just trying to incapacitate because he didn't want or need to kill him to stop him.
So you can't carry unless you're willing to kill someone and not just stop them? This guy absolutely did the right thing. I'll never understand the sitting duck mentality that gets displayed here.
...it is proper protocol to aim for the chest. Anyone trained in the proper use of a firearm would know this.
That should be changed then. If others had aimed for the leg instead of the chest the country would be in far less turmoil.
The idea is, aim for center of mass so you're more likely to hit him SOMEWHERE. Legs are generally moving targets.
exactly.
The shooter was standing still shooting into a crowd.
Unless he was just trying to incapacitate because he didn't want or need to kill him to stop him.
That..would be a stupid thing to do.
In your opinion. I'm glad you don't carry. It seems you would either not use it at all or immediately go for the kill. Neither of which means that's what everyone else would choose.
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“Until I discovered cooking, I was never really interested in anything.” ― Julia Child ―
So you can't carry unless you're willing to kill someone and not just stop them? This guy absolutely did the right thing. I'll never understand the sitting duck mentality that gets displayed here.
...it is proper protocol to aim for the chest. Anyone trained in the proper use of a firearm would know this.
That should be changed then. If others had aimed for the leg instead of the chest the country would be in far less turmoil.
The idea is, aim for center of mass so you're more likely to hit him SOMEWHERE. Legs are generally moving targets.
exactly.
The shooter was standing still shooting into a crowd.
Unless he was just trying to incapacitate because he didn't want or need to kill him to stop him.
That..would be a stupid thing to do.
In your opinion. I'm glad you don't carry. It seems you would either not use it at all or immediately go for the kill. Neither of which means that's what everyone else would choose.
No, its a fact. I find it hilarious that I am in the position of lecturing you on the safe use of a gun in an armed shooter situation. LOL!
So you can't carry unless you're willing to kill someone and not just stop them? This guy absolutely did the right thing. I'll never understand the sitting duck mentality that gets displayed here.
...it is proper protocol to aim for the chest. Anyone trained in the proper use of a firearm would know this.
That should be changed then. If others had aimed for the leg instead of the chest the country would be in far less turmoil.
The idea is, aim for center of mass so you're more likely to hit him SOMEWHERE. Legs are generally moving targets.
exactly.
The shooter was standing still shooting into a crowd.
Unless he was just trying to incapacitate because he didn't want or need to kill him to stop him.
That..would be a stupid thing to do.
In your opinion. I'm glad you don't carry. It seems you would either not use it at all or immediately go for the kill. Neither of which means that's what everyone else would choose.
No, its a fact. I find it hilarious that I am in the position of lecturing you on the safe use of a gun in an armed shooter situation. LOL!
You THINK you are. We both have carry training, so I will go with what my trainer taught rather than someone that has never had training and makes things up on the spot....
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America guarantees equal opportunity, not equal outcome...
So you can't carry unless you're willing to kill someone and not just stop them? This guy absolutely did the right thing. I'll never understand the sitting duck mentality that gets displayed here.
...it is proper protocol to aim for the chest. Anyone trained in the proper use of a firearm would know this.
That should be changed then. If others had aimed for the leg instead of the chest the country would be in far less turmoil.
The idea is, aim for center of mass so you're more likely to hit him SOMEWHERE. Legs are generally moving targets.
exactly.
The shooter was standing still shooting into a crowd.
Unless he was just trying to incapacitate because he didn't want or need to kill him to stop him.
That..would be a stupid thing to do.
In your opinion. I'm glad you don't carry. It seems you would either not use it at all or immediately go for the kill. Neither of which means that's what everyone else would choose.
No, its a fact. I find it hilarious that I am in the position of lecturing you on the safe use of a gun in an armed shooter situation. LOL!
You THINK you are. We both have carry training, so I will go with what my trainer taught rather than someone that has never had training and makes things up on the spot....
Why would you take the chance that the shooter could get off a few more shots???That is stupid! You aim for body mass in a situation like that, period. I'm astounded that you don't know this.
If you think abortion is ok then yes you are pro death.
Yes, in every abortion, someone dies. So, yup Pro Death.
PRO CHOICE
You chose for YOU.
I choose for ME.
flan
Strange how easy it is to say I AM PRO LIFE, and not be able to or care to understand the implications of those words.
I have yet to see a strategy on how exactly women will be forced to continue on with an unwanted pregnancy, should they be placed in internment camps? Who will pay for that?
What about all the millions of unwanted babies? Who will be taking them into their loving homes? I could go on but I think the point is, you simply cannot force a woman to continue on with an unwanted pregnancy, never have been.
The good news is that abortion is on the decline, so how about we focus on that... something good.
Ok. So the hero did not kill and you have a problem with that.
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If you think abortion is ok then yes you are pro death.
Yes, in every abortion, someone dies. So, yup Pro Death.
PRO CHOICE
You chose for YOU.
I choose for ME.
flan
Strange how easy it is to say I AM PRO LIFE, and not be able to or care to understand the implications of those words.
I have yet to see a strategy on how exactly women will be forced to continue on with an unwanted pregnancy, should they be placed in internment camps? Who will pay for that?
What about all the millions of unwanted babies? Who will be taking them into their loving homes? I could go on but I think the point is, you simply cannot force a woman to continue on with an unwanted pregnancy, never have been.
The good news is that abortion is on the decline, so how about we focus on that... something good.
There is the thing caller Personal Responsibility. You might want to Google it.
If you think abortion is ok then yes you are pro death.
Yes, in every abortion, someone dies. So, yup Pro Death.
PRO CHOICE
You chose for YOU.
I choose for ME.
flan
Strange how easy it is to say I AM PRO LIFE, and not be able to or care to understand the implications of those words.
I have yet to see a strategy on how exactly women will be forced to continue on with an unwanted pregnancy, should they be placed in internment camps? Who will pay for that?
What about all the millions of unwanted babies? Who will be taking them into their loving homes? I could go on but I think the point is, you simply cannot force a woman to continue on with an unwanted pregnancy, never have been.
The good news is that abortion is on the decline, so how about we focus on that... something good.
Charge those that abort with murder. That would stop A LOT of abortions. There are no unwanted babies. Our waiting list is years long. We cannot keep up with the demand. Legislating the maximum cost and reevaluating the absolute asinine requirements would make a huge difference.
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America guarantees equal opportunity, not equal outcome...
If you think abortion is ok then yes you are pro death.
Yes, in every abortion, someone dies. So, yup Pro Death.
PRO CHOICE
You chose for YOU.
I choose for ME.
flan
Strange how easy it is to say I AM PRO LIFE, and not be able to or care to understand the implications of those words.
I have yet to see a strategy on how exactly women will be forced to continue on with an unwanted pregnancy, should they be placed in internment camps? Who will pay for that?
What about all the millions of unwanted babies? Who will be taking them into their loving homes? I could go on but I think the point is, you simply cannot force a woman to continue on with an unwanted pregnancy, never have been.
The good news is that abortion is on the decline, so how about we focus on that... something good.
There is the thing caller Personal Responsibility. You might want to Google it.
Yes but you are making PERSONAL choices for another person. It can't be done, sorry...thems the facts.
If you think abortion is ok then yes you are pro death.
Yes, in every abortion, someone dies. So, yup Pro Death.
PRO CHOICE
You chose for YOU.
I choose for ME.
flan
Strange how easy it is to say I AM PRO LIFE, and not be able to or care to understand the implications of those words.
I have yet to see a strategy on how exactly women will be forced to continue on with an unwanted pregnancy, should they be placed in internment camps? Who will pay for that?
What about all the millions of unwanted babies? Who will be taking them into their loving homes? I could go on but I think the point is, you simply cannot force a woman to continue on with an unwanted pregnancy, never have been.
The good news is that abortion is on the decline, so how about we focus on that... something good.
There is the thing caller Personal Responsibility. You might want to Google it.
Yes but you are making PERSONAL choices for another person. It can't be done, sorry...thems the facts.
Sure we can. Thats why assisted suicide is not legal here....
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America guarantees equal opportunity, not equal outcome...
If you think abortion is ok then yes you are pro death.
Yes, in every abortion, someone dies. So, yup Pro Death.
PRO CHOICE
You chose for YOU.
I choose for ME.
flan
Strange how easy it is to say I AM PRO LIFE, and not be able to or care to understand the implications of those words.
I have yet to see a strategy on how exactly women will be forced to continue on with an unwanted pregnancy, should they be placed in internment camps? Who will pay for that?
What about all the millions of unwanted babies? Who will be taking them into their loving homes? I could go on but I think the point is, you simply cannot force a woman to continue on with an unwanted pregnancy, never have been.
The good news is that abortion is on the decline, so how about we focus on that... something good.
Charge those that abort with murder. That would stop A LOT of abortions. There are no unwanted babies. Our waiting list is years long. We cannot keep up with the demand. Legislating the maximum cost and reevaluating the absolute asinine requirements would make a huge difference.
While feticide is becoming a reality, most states would not venture as far as to imply that a fetus is a human being. There is another battle.... at what point is the fetus a viable human, if at all.
If you think abortion is ok then yes you are pro death.
Yes, in every abortion, someone dies. So, yup Pro Death.
PRO CHOICE
You chose for YOU.
I choose for ME.
flan
Strange how easy it is to say I AM PRO LIFE, and not be able to or care to understand the implications of those words.
I have yet to see a strategy on how exactly women will be forced to continue on with an unwanted pregnancy, should they be placed in internment camps? Who will pay for that?
What about all the millions of unwanted babies? Who will be taking them into their loving homes? I could go on but I think the point is, you simply cannot force a woman to continue on with an unwanted pregnancy, never have been.
The good news is that abortion is on the decline, so how about we focus on that... something good.
There is the thing caller Personal Responsibility. You might want to Google it.
Yes but you are making PERSONAL choices for another person. It can't be done, sorry...thems the facts.
Sure we can. Thats why assisted suicide is not legal here....
In many states it is legal, if not it will be soon. Especially with this aging population.
If you think abortion is ok then yes you are pro death.
Yes, in every abortion, someone dies. So, yup Pro Death.
PRO CHOICE
You chose for YOU.
I choose for ME.
flan
Strange how easy it is to say I AM PRO LIFE, and not be able to or care to understand the implications of those words.
I have yet to see a strategy on how exactly women will be forced to continue on with an unwanted pregnancy, should they be placed in internment camps? Who will pay for that?
What about all the millions of unwanted babies? Who will be taking them into their loving homes? I could go on but I think the point is, you simply cannot force a woman to continue on with an unwanted pregnancy, never have been.
The good news is that abortion is on the decline, so how about we focus on that... something good.
There is the thing caller Personal Responsibility. You might want to Google it.
Yes but you are making PERSONAL choices for another person. It can't be done, sorry...thems the facts.
No, they made the choice, so be a grown up and deal with it. Which does not include you killing your own child.
A flock of flirting flamingos is pure, passionate, pink pandemonium-a frenetic flamingle-mangle-a discordant discotheque of delirious dancing, flamboyant feathers, and flamingo lingo.
If you think abortion is ok then yes you are pro death.
Yes, in every abortion, someone dies. So, yup Pro Death.
PRO CHOICE
You chose for YOU.
I choose for ME.
flan
Strange how easy it is to say I AM PRO LIFE, and not be able to or care to understand the implications of those words.
I have yet to see a strategy on how exactly women will be forced to continue on with an unwanted pregnancy, should they be placed in internment camps? Who will pay for that?
What about all the millions of unwanted babies? Who will be taking them into their loving homes? I could go on but I think the point is, you simply cannot force a woman to continue on with an unwanted pregnancy, never have been.
The good news is that abortion is on the decline, so how about we focus on that... something good.
There is the thing caller Personal Responsibility. You might want to Google it.
Yes but you are making PERSONAL choices for another person. It can't be done, sorry...thems the facts.
Sure we can. Thats why assisted suicide is not legal here....
In many states it is legal, if not it will be soon. Especially with this aging population.
Not its not...wrong again dear. There are 3 cities. No states.
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America guarantees equal opportunity, not equal outcome...
If you think abortion is ok then yes you are pro death.
Yes, in every abortion, someone dies. So, yup Pro Death.
PRO CHOICE
You chose for YOU.
I choose for ME.
flan
Strange how easy it is to say I AM PRO LIFE, and not be able to or care to understand the implications of those words.
I have yet to see a strategy on how exactly women will be forced to continue on with an unwanted pregnancy, should they be placed in internment camps? Who will pay for that?
What about all the millions of unwanted babies? Who will be taking them into their loving homes? I could go on but I think the point is, you simply cannot force a woman to continue on with an unwanted pregnancy, never have been.
The good news is that abortion is on the decline, so how about we focus on that... something good.
There is the thing caller Personal Responsibility. You might want to Google it.
Yes but you are making PERSONAL choices for another person. It can't be done, sorry...thems the facts.
No, they made the choice, so be a grown up and deal with it. Which does not include you killing your own child.
Sure and in a perfect world, that would be the case. The truth is that for all recorded history women have found ways to terminate unwanted pregnancies. You can't just wish that away and you can't physically force a woman to continue on with a pregnancy that she doesn't want.
But like I said, abortion is on the decline so that is good news.
Yeah, some women will try to kill their babies. So what? That doesnt' make it right. You can't wish away murder, rape, crime, now can you? But that doesnt mean you legalize it.
If you think abortion is ok then yes you are pro death.
Yes, in every abortion, someone dies. So, yup Pro Death.
PRO CHOICE
You chose for YOU.
I choose for ME.
flan
Strange how easy it is to say I AM PRO LIFE, and not be able to or care to understand the implications of those words.
I have yet to see a strategy on how exactly women will be forced to continue on with an unwanted pregnancy, should they be placed in internment camps? Who will pay for that?
What about all the millions of unwanted babies? Who will be taking them into their loving homes? I could go on but I think the point is, you simply cannot force a woman to continue on with an unwanted pregnancy, never have been.
The good news is that abortion is on the decline, so how about we focus on that... something good.
There is the thing caller Personal Responsibility. You might want to Google it.
Yes but you are making PERSONAL choices for another person. It can't be done, sorry...thems the facts.
Sure we can. Thats why assisted suicide is not legal here....
In many states it is legal, if not it will be soon. Especially with this aging population.
Not its not...wrong again dear. There are 3 cities. No states.
Yeah, some women will try to kill their babies. So what? That doesnt' make it right. You can't wish away murder, rape, crime, now can you? But that doesnt mean you legalize it.
I'm not saying what is right or wrong. Just deal with the facts before making stupid uniformed declarations.
5 States Have Legalized Physician-Assisted Suicide
(see section I below) assisted suicide check mark legal
4 states (CA, OR, VT, and WA) legalized physician-assisted suicide via legislation
1 state (MT) has legal physician-assisted suicide via court ruling
45 States and DC Consider Assisted Suicide Illegal
(see section II below) assisted suicide x mark illegal
38 states have laws prohibiting assisted suicide
3 states (AL, MA, and WV) and the District of Columbia prohibit assisted suicide by common law
4 states (NV, NC, UT, and WY) have no specific laws regarding assisted suicide, may not recognize common law, or are otherwise unclear on the legality of assisted suicide.
I dont think you understand what assisted suicide means.
In those states, a Dr can prescribe a lethal ****tail, but they cannot administer. The suicidee has to do it themselves. Only 3 cities allow a dr to end a life...
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I like that he shot him in the leg. It shows he was trying to stop the craziness but he didn't take a kill shot. That's the kind of person who should have a carry permit.
I don't. This man will get out of jail someday b/c it was only attempted murder, and then he might succeed at killing someone. And until then, the taxpayers will have to support him.
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LawyerLady
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
Physician-assisted suicide in the United States is legal in the states of California, Oregon, Vermont, and Washington. In Montana, the Baxter v. Montana (2009) court decision created a defense for a physician who is prosecuted should the physician be charged in assisting a suicide although prosecutions and convictions for assisted suicide remain possible in Montana. In New Mexico, a 2014 court decision permitting the practice in Bernalillo County was overturned on appeal.[1] There is legislation being considered in several states regarding the legality of assisted suicide.
If you think abortion is ok then yes you are pro death.
Yes, in every abortion, someone dies. So, yup Pro Death.
PRO CHOICE
You chose for YOU.
I choose for ME.
flan
Strange how easy it is to say I AM PRO LIFE, and not be able to or care to understand the implications of those words.
I have yet to see a strategy on how exactly women will be forced to continue on with an unwanted pregnancy, should they be placed in internment camps? Who will pay for that?
What about all the millions of unwanted babies? Who will be taking them into their loving homes? I could go on but I think the point is, you simply cannot force a woman to continue on with an unwanted pregnancy, never have been.
The good news is that abortion is on the decline, so how about we focus on that... something good.
Charge those that abort with murder. That would stop A LOT of abortions. There are no unwanted babies. Our waiting list is years long. We cannot keep up with the demand. Legislating the maximum cost and reevaluating the absolute asinine requirements would make a huge difference.
If you think abortion is ok then yes you are pro death.
Yes, in every abortion, someone dies. So, yup Pro Death.
PRO CHOICE
You chose for YOU.
I choose for ME.
flan
Strange how easy it is to say I AM PRO LIFE, and not be able to or care to understand the implications of those words.
I have yet to see a strategy on how exactly women will be forced to continue on with an unwanted pregnancy, should they be placed in internment camps? Who will pay for that?
What about all the millions of unwanted babies? Who will be taking them into their loving homes? I could go on but I think the point is, you simply cannot force a woman to continue on with an unwanted pregnancy, never have been.
The good news is that abortion is on the decline, so how about we focus on that... something good.
There is the thing caller Personal Responsibility. You might want to Google it.
Yes but you are making PERSONAL choices for another person. It can't be done, sorry...thems the facts.
No, they made the choice, so be a grown up and deal with it. Which does not include you killing your own child.
Sure and in a perfect world, that would be the case. The truth is that for all recorded history women have found ways to terminate unwanted pregnancies. You can't just wish that away and you can't physically force a woman to continue on with a pregnancy that she doesn't want.
But like I said, abortion is on the decline so that is good news.
apple,
I have stated this TRUTH so many times I've lost count.