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Honeys_Mom · Mod & Permanent Board Sweetheart

RE: I Am Grateful Social Media Has Burst My White Bubble

apple · Guru

Honeys_Mom wrote:
apple wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
apple wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
I have a friend whose first name is an ethnic one that goes back hundreds of years in her family. But in order to get a job she has to abbreviate her "ghetto" name and go by her middle name instead. In the meantime, my daughter has an ethnic name that goes back hundreds of years in our family and no one blinks when she puts her real name on applications.

THAT my friends is white privilege.

When someone sees Kate and also KaNeisha on a job application and looks to their qualifications before deciding who gets the phone call...then we can say privilege is gone.
So we are supposed to feel sorry that her parents choose to pick that name??
That is not the point and you know it.
I've never seen so much subterfuge anywhere as much as this board.

Subterfuge? If her parents know that an ethic name will hold her back yet still insist on naming her that way then it is most certainly on them. As I said upthread an Ashley gets called back more often than a Gertrude or Bertha so be careful how you name your children or deal with the consequences..
Yes SUBTERFUGE, the truth that some won't acknowledge... the simple fact that a person is discriminated against because they have a name that people/employers believe to be of an undesirable ethnicity.
Is that so hard to understand and acknowledge? The extent of racism and discrimination that you refuse to admit is a fact and yet you would rather play the blame game.

Apple, I don't usually chime in on these discussions, but I'm curious; do you believe discrimination exists against short people? Fat people? Unattractive people? Discrimination will always exists in one form or another because we're imperfect humans. I can only hope that the racial inequality in our society is getting better, and I believe it actually is.

Discrimination exists in a millennia of ways. Everyone has probably experienced some sort of discrimination, I can't imagine living with it daily though and I have no respect for those that downplay it and will not acknowledge that there is racial discrimination and that it is NOT okay.

I do hope that you are right and that society is getting better.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

I'm not apple, but I'll answer.

Yes.

Of the three examples you mentioned, the difference is that two of them CAN be changed. Unless you're Michael Jackson, most Blacks don't change their skin color.

flan

apple · Guru

I can be a total **** and it only affects me -- not the entirety of my culture. I am given the benefit of the doubt because of stereotypes. I work hard, yes, but success comes easier because my appearance opens doors. It's mine to lose. I've never had to wonder if my apartment application or resume was rejected because of the colour of my skin.

I can reach into my glove department or handbag for my identification when asked by an officer of the law without worrying about getting shot. I can stop a stranger on the street to ask for directions without them being suspicious or afraid of me. Nobody looks at me suspiciously at an airport. I can walk into a store with several bags and not be suspected of shoplifting. I can loiter all I want wherever I want without even thinking I'll be arrested.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

apple wrote:
I can be a total **** and it only affects me -- not the entirety of my culture. I am given the benefit of the doubt because of stereotypes. I work hard, yes, but success comes easier because my appearance opens doors. It's mine to lose. I've never had to wonder if my apartment application or resume was rejected because of the colour of my skin.

I can reach into my glove department or handbag for my identification when asked by an officer of the law without worrying about getting shot. I can stop a stranger on the street to ask for directions without them being suspicious or afraid of me. Nobody looks at me suspiciously at an airport. I can walk into a store with several bags and not be suspected of shoplifting. I can loiter all I want wherever I want without even thinking I'll be arrested.

And I think that, until people accept this, society will not really move past skin color.

The average Black person probably just wants to live their life and provide for their family without having to worry if they'll be killed during a random traffic stop.

flan

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

Ok I am not saying race doesn't play into it at all but I still think it is more class based. I don't think a black man driving a BMW sedan, not all tricked out, and wearing a nice suit is going to be shot reaching for his registration any more than a white man is.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lexxy wrote:
Ok I am not saying race doesn't play into it at all but I still think it is more class based. I don't think a black man driving a BMW sedan, not all tricked out, and wearing a nice suit is going to be shot reaching for his registration any more than a white man is.

Good point, Lexxy.

flan

apple · Guru

Lexxy wrote:
Ok I am not saying race doesn't play into it at all but I still think it is more class based. I don't think a black man driving a BMW sedan, not all tricked out, and wearing a nice suit is going to be shot reaching for his registration any more than a white man is.

I don't know about that. Perhaps if we knew exactly how police officers "profile" people it would be helpful, if not interesting...

Tinydancer · Guru

I think black people are just as racist as white people but you believe whatever you want. Black people are even racist against themselves so how do they expect others not to be is what I don't understand.

Ohfour · Hooker

I don't buy into the whole white guilt thing. Everyone has the exact same opportunity. If they don't take advantage of it, then its on them.

apple · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
I don't buy into the whole white guilt thing. Everyone has the exact same opportunity. If they don't take advantage of it, then its on them.

Some people have to overcome more obstacles than others, like for example... racism.

apple · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
I don't buy into the whole white guilt thing. Everyone has the exact same opportunity. If they don't take advantage of it, then its on them.

And it is not "white guilt", its about being honest and having integrity. Admit that there is an issue, don't pretend there isn't.

ed11563 · Guru

apple wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
I don't buy into the whole white guilt thing. Everyone has the exact same opportunity. If they don't take advantage of it, then its on them.
Some people have to overcome more obstacles than others, like for example... racism.

and reverse racism

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Well.

I refuse to feel guilty for being white.

And I refuse to allow caveats for others because they are whatever color.

ANY thing a white person does could be seen as racism.

And that is just as racist as any thing else.

As I said before, if a person feels "held back" in this day and age, it's of their own doing.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

apple wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
I don't buy into the whole white guilt thing. Everyone has the exact same opportunity. If they don't take advantage of it, then its on them.
Some people have to overcome more obstacles than others, like for example... racism.

And some have to overcome other obstacles.

Obstacles just as ominous.

apple · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
apple wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
I don't buy into the whole white guilt thing. Everyone has the exact same opportunity. If they don't take advantage of it, then its on them.
Some people have to overcome more obstacles than others, like for example... racism.

And some have to overcome other obstacles.
Obstacles just as ominous.

Right, so there is no credence to the issue of colour. Good to know, thanks for playing.

apple · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
Well.

I refuse to feel guilty for being white.

And I refuse to allow caveats for others because they are whatever color.

ANY thing a white person does could be seen as racism.

And that is just as racist as any thing else.

As I said before, if a person feels "held back" in this day and age, it's of their own doing.

Nobody asked you to feel guilty, if you can't admit that racism exists, so be it.

ed11563 · Guru

If I'm pulled over,

before the officer gets to my window,

I will have both left-side windows open, and if it's dark,

the inside light will be on.

My hands will be on the steering wheel,

the car will be in Park.

Before I move my hands I will tell him/her

what I plan to do, and ask if that's okay.

apple · Guru

ed11563 wrote:
apple wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
I don't buy into the whole white guilt thing. Everyone has the exact same opportunity. If they don't take advantage of it, then its on them.
Some people have to overcome more obstacles than others, like for example... racism.

and reverse racism

There is no such thing.

Racism is racism, Caucasian is a race, if that is what you are referring to.

If you want to get literal, reverse racism would actually be the opposite, supporting a race as equal to another.

Ohfour · Hooker

apple wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Well.

I refuse to feel guilty for being white.

And I refuse to allow caveats for others because they are whatever color.

ANY thing a white person does could be seen as racism.

And that is just as racist as any thing else.

As I said before, if a person feels "held back" in this day and age, it's of their own doing.

Nobody asked you to feel guilty, if you can't admit that racism exists, so be it.

Oh, it exists...more by blacks against whites than the reverse...

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

apple wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
apple wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
I don't buy into the whole white guilt thing. Everyone has the exact same opportunity. If they don't take advantage of it, then its on them.
Some people have to overcome more obstacles than others, like for example... racism.

And some have to overcome other obstacles.
Obstacles just as ominous.
Right, so there is no credence to the issue of colour. Good to know, thanks for playing.

You want to give people special consideration BECAUSE of their skin color.

THAT is racism.

I want people to stop looking for excuses why they "can't" and start looking for ways they can.

Your way is more racist than mine.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

apple wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Well.

I refuse to feel guilty for being white.

And I refuse to allow caveats for others because they are whatever color.

ANY thing a white person does could be seen as racism.

And that is just as racist as any thing else.

As I said before, if a person feels "held back" in this day and age, it's of their own doing.

Nobody asked you to feel guilty, if you can't admit that racism exists, so be it.

Oh it does exist.

Just not in the way you think it does.

You promote it more than stop it.

Ohfour · Hooker

This just popped up on my facebook...:)

burns07 · Guru

Oh it does exist.

Just not in the way you think it does.

You promote it more than stop it.
____________________________

precisely--well said

apple · Guru

apple · Guru

I am a white person living in a world built for me. The laws, whether they state they are for everyone or not, are created to benefit me. Images in the media make me look better, give me depth, and celebrate me. I was taught all of my life that any skin colour not white is 'other', which placed me at the centre of everything. Everything is measured, taught, created, promoted, and offered with me in mind as the consumer.

Divine Geek · Guru

I will admit racism happens. BUT every time a minority member does get edged out by a majority member, it is not automatically racism. That is the problem I feel many people have about the cries of racism.

Ohfour · Hooker

Well, whoever wrote that is an idiot. So much BS in that paragraph its actually laughable...

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Ok Apple. Let's play your game.

I did a lot of hiring in my job.

What I did was check references, interview, gave a little math test, and assessed their skills.

I hired based on a point system scored by how they did with those things.

But if I were to do it your way.

I'd start by seeing what color they were and give extra points to those who were not white.

How is that not racist?

Because that would be thinking a black person NEEDED the extra points just because they are black.

Affirmative Action was racist and a failure.

Tinydancer · Guru

Well if you don't feel guilty for other people being racist then you must be a racist too...

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Ohfour wrote:
I don't buy into the whole white guilt thing. Everyone has the exact same opportunity. If they don't take advantage of it, then its on them.

And the SAD thing is, you believe this.

Get back to me when you OPEN YOUR EYES.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

apple wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
I don't buy into the whole white guilt thing. Everyone has the exact same opportunity. If they don't take advantage of it, then its on them.
And it is not "white guilt", its about being honest and having integrity. Admit that there is an issue, don't pretend there isn't.

The Queen of Pretense!

flan

Tinydancer · Guru

Wow. A lot of name calling today flannie.

apple · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
Ok Apple. Let's play your game.

I did a lot of hiring in my job.

What I did was check references, interview, gave a little math test, and assessed their skills.

I hired based on a point system scored by how they did with those things.

But if I were to do it your way.

I'd start by seeing what color they were and give extra points to those who were not white.

How is that not racist?

Because that would be thinking a black person NEEDED the extra points just because they are black.

Affirmative Action was racist and a failure.

What the heck are you talking about? "My Way", I never said anything other than ADMIT racism exists.

Hire the best person for the job. In my opinion, all that is required here is equal opportunity.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

lilyofcourse wrote:
Well.

I refuse to feel guilty for being white.

And I refuse to allow caveats for others because they are whatever color.

ANY thing a white person does could be seen as racism.

And that is just as racist as any thing else.

As I said before, if a person feels "held back" in this day and age, it's of their own doing.

1. No one said that you SHOULD.

2. Wrong again.

3. You mean like being gunned in a CHURCH during BIBLE STUDY? By someone who idolizes the Confederate flag?

flan

apple · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
Well, whoever wrote that is an idiot. So much BS in that paragraph its actually laughable...

Yes, its a habit of your to flame and laugh at things you don't understand.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Ohfour wrote:
apple wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Well.

I refuse to feel guilty for being white.

And I refuse to allow caveats for others because they are whatever color.

ANY thing a white person does could be seen as racism.

And that is just as racist as any thing else.

As I said before, if a person feels "held back" in this day and age, it's of their own doing.

Nobody asked you to feel guilty, if you can't admit that racism exists, so be it.
Oh, it exists...more by blacks against whites than the reverse...

Give us all an example.

Enlighten us.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

apple wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Well, whoever wrote that is an idiot. So much BS in that paragraph its actually laughable...
Yes, its a habit of your to flame and laugh at things you don't understand.

Amen.

Cuz that is what open-minded mature adults do...

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

lilyofcourse wrote:
apple wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
I don't buy into the whole white guilt thing. Everyone has the exact same opportunity. If they don't take advantage of it, then its on them.
Some people have to overcome more obstacles than others, like for example... racism.

And some have to overcome other obstacles.
Obstacles just as ominous.

What, pray tell is an "ominous" obstacle?

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

lilyofcourse wrote:
Ok Apple. Let's play your game.

I did a lot of hiring in my job.

What I did was check references, interview, gave a little math test, and assessed their skills.

I hired based on a point system scored by how they did with those things.

But if I were to do it your way.

I'd start by seeing what color they were and give extra points to those who were not white.

How is that not racist?

Because that would be thinking a black person NEEDED the extra points just because they are black.

Affirmative Action was racist and a failure.

Can I embroider that on a sampler?

flan

Divine Geek · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
apple wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Well.

I refuse to feel guilty for being white.

And I refuse to allow caveats for others because they are whatever color.

ANY thing a white person does could be seen as racism.

And that is just as racist as any thing else.

As I said before, if a person feels "held back" in this day and age, it's of their own doing.

Nobody asked you to feel guilty, if you can't admit that racism exists, so be it.
Oh, it exists...more by blacks against whites than the reverse...
Give us all an example.
Enlighten us.
flan

"Black Southern Baptists"

"Black Miss America"

traditionally black universities

black fraternities and sororities

It would never be allowed to have "white" versions of any of these.

Tinydancer · Guru

flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Ok Apple. Let's play your game.

I did a lot of hiring in my job.

What I did was check references, interview, gave a little math test, and assessed their skills.

I hired based on a point system scored by how they did with those things.

But if I were to do it your way.

I'd start by seeing what color they were and give extra points to those who were not white.

How is that not racist?

Because that would be thinking a black person NEEDED the extra points just because they are black.

Affirmative Action was racist and a failure.

Can I embroider that on a sampler?
flan

Go ahead. It's the truth though so you might get struck by lightening.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

apple wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Ok Apple. Let's play your game.

I did a lot of hiring in my job.

What I did was check references, interview, gave a little math test, and assessed their skills.

I hired based on a point system scored by how they did with those things.

But if I were to do it your way.

I'd start by seeing what color they were and give extra points to those who were not white.

How is that not racist?

Because that would be thinking a black person NEEDED the extra points just because they are black.

Affirmative Action was racist and a failure.

What the heck are you talking about? "My Way", I never said anything other than ADMIT racism exists.
Hire the best person for the job. In my opinion, all that is required here is equal opportunity.

But you're the one talking about obstacles and racism.

You're the one wanting to point out and make things about color.

How will it ever be "equal" if you keep making excuses?

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Divine Geek wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
apple wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Well.

I refuse to feel guilty for being white.

And I refuse to allow caveats for others because they are whatever color.

ANY thing a white person does could be seen as racism.

And that is just as racist as any thing else.

As I said before, if a person feels "held back" in this day and age, it's of their own doing.

Nobody asked you to feel guilty, if you can't admit that racism exists, so be it.
Oh, it exists...more by blacks against whites than the reverse...
Give us all an example.
Enlighten us.
flan
"Black Southern Baptists"
"Black Miss America"
traditionally black universities
black fraternities and sororities
It would never be allowed to have "white" versions of any of these.

Because, for YEARS, the WHITE versions DID exist.

Just because "white" was implied does not make it any less true.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lily, in the past you have lamented the decline of "real men" in today's society. The example you have used is JOHN WAYNE.

So, in his movies (pick any one of them), did the good guys wear the WHITE hats or the BLACK hats?

flan

apple · Guru

Divine Geek wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
apple wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Well.

I refuse to feel guilty for being white.

And I refuse to allow caveats for others because they are whatever color.

ANY thing a white person does could be seen as racism.

And that is just as racist as any thing else.

As I said before, if a person feels "held back" in this day and age, it's of their own doing.

Nobody asked you to feel guilty, if you can't admit that racism exists, so be it.
Oh, it exists...more by blacks against whites than the reverse...
Give us all an example.
Enlighten us.
flan
"Black Southern Baptists"
"Black Miss America"
traditionally black universities
black fraternities and sororities
It would never be allowed to have "white" versions of any of these.

How is it that you think these came about? Why would a black person feel the need to make their own frat or sorority?

Just because something does not call itself WHITE..... does not mean that it isn't for white people. Do you get that?

Tinydancer · Guru

That's the lamest thing I've ever heard. Did they wear white hats or black? So now anytime you use the word black it's racism. You seem to thrive on racism.

Divine Geek · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Divine Geek wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
apple wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Well.

I refuse to feel guilty for being white.

And I refuse to allow caveats for others because they are whatever color.

ANY thing a white person does could be seen as racism.

And that is just as racist as any thing else.

As I said before, if a person feels "held back" in this day and age, it's of their own doing.

Nobody asked you to feel guilty, if you can't admit that racism exists, so be it.
Oh, it exists...more by blacks against whites than the reverse...
Give us all an example.
Enlighten us.
flan
"Black Southern Baptists"
"Black Miss America"
traditionally black universities
black fraternities and sororities
It would never be allowed to have "white" versions of any of these.
Because, for YEARS, the WHITE versions DID exist.
Just because "white" was implied does not make it any less true.
flan

Black Miss America lasted years past integration of the "white version". To this day, there are black colleges and black fraternities/sororities.

I am not saying that there wasn't a time when having a black version was necessary. I'm saying that that time is NOT now.

Divine Geek · Guru

apple wrote:
Divine Geek wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
apple wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Well.

I refuse to feel guilty for being white.

And I refuse to allow caveats for others because they are whatever color.

ANY thing a white person does could be seen as racism.

And that is just as racist as any thing else.

As I said before, if a person feels "held back" in this day and age, it's of their own doing.

Nobody asked you to feel guilty, if you can't admit that racism exists, so be it.
Oh, it exists...more by blacks against whites than the reverse...
Give us all an example.
Enlighten us.
flan
"Black Southern Baptists"
"Black Miss America"
traditionally black universities
black fraternities and sororities
It would never be allowed to have "white" versions of any of these.
How is it that you think these came about? Why would a black person feel the need to make their own frat or sorority?
Just because something does not call itself WHITE..... does not mean that it isn't for white people. Do you get that?

I get it. I no longer see the need for it. And holding onto these things inhibits progress in race relations.

Tinydancer · Guru

apple wrote:
Divine Geek wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
apple wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Well.

I refuse to feel guilty for being white.

And I refuse to allow caveats for others because they are whatever color.

ANY thing a white person does could be seen as racism.

And that is just as racist as any thing else.

As I said before, if a person feels "held back" in this day and age, it's of their own doing.

Nobody asked you to feel guilty, if you can't admit that racism exists, so be it.
Oh, it exists...more by blacks against whites than the reverse...
Give us all an example.
Enlighten us.
flan
"Black Southern Baptists"
"Black Miss America"
traditionally black universities
black fraternities and sororities
It would never be allowed to have "white" versions of any of these.
How is it that you think these came about? Why would a black person feel the need to make their own frat or sorority?
Just because something does not call itself WHITE..... does not mean that it isn't for white people. Do you get that?

It's a different world now. I had nothing to do with slavery and I refuse to feel guilt or remorse for something that happened before I was born. Only black people are allowed to be racist now I guess. They can call themselves the N word but only we are racist..uh huh