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apple · Guru

RE: I Am Grateful Social Media Has Burst My White Bubble

Ohfour · Hooker

Of course it does. When the left says that its racist, it proves they are looking for racism everywhere.

chef · Guru

apple wrote:
chef wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
This reminds me of Joy Behr saying the term Black Friday was racist and needed to be changed. Lol!
When you look for racism everywhere, you become a BIG part of the problem. This thread is a perfect example...
This. So much this.
Want racism to die? Stop acknowledging it. Stop feeding it. Stop giving it a voice. Instead of pulling the race card, have an open-ended discussion about whatever the issue is. Racism will never go away as long as it's being searched out.
There will always be a bad apple in the bunch. Deal with that bad apple as a singular entity.
Then there's stuff like Dallas. Black people want police to stop targeting them yet BLM targets the police rather than leading by example. I can't help but notice that the words 'hate crime' have yet to be used in connection with Dallas even though that's exactly what it was. If there was an article that called it a hate crime, I didn't see it. Further, the officers who died were innocent but just because they're cops, they died.
Ignore it and it won't go away.
Do you ignore a rape victim? Does ignoring the rapist make them stop or go away?
Flawed logic.

It will go away because the desire to slap the racist label on anything and everything will be unacceptable.

No, of course a rape victim shouldn't be ignored. Ignoring someone following you or actively harming you is stupid and comparing apples to oranges. What would make rapists go away is for parents of boys to teach their boys that women are not objects to satisfy their desire. That they do not get to touch a woman just because they're a man.

Flawed logic? That would be your attempt to equate rape (a crime) to racism (a mindset).

I, for one, refuse to give a voice to racism as its a blight on society. People are people. Achieve and succeed on your own merit or don't. Some people need more help than others. Not because of their race but because of their circumstances. No race is inherently better or worse than any other and I refuse to acknowledge the race card. I'm not blind to it, I just won't acknowledge it. I'm also tired of the double standard. It's ok to designate an event as blacks only but it's not ok to designate an event as whites only. Either both are ok or neither are. For me, it's the latter.

apple · Guru

chef wrote:
apple wrote:
chef wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
This reminds me of Joy Behr saying the term Black Friday was racist and needed to be changed. Lol!
When you look for racism everywhere, you become a BIG part of the problem. This thread is a perfect example...
This. So much this.
Want racism to die? Stop acknowledging it. Stop feeding it. Stop giving it a voice. Instead of pulling the race card, have an open-ended discussion about whatever the issue is. Racism will never go away as long as it's being searched out.
There will always be a bad apple in the bunch. Deal with that bad apple as a singular entity.
Then there's stuff like Dallas. Black people want police to stop targeting them yet BLM targets the police rather than leading by example. I can't help but notice that the words 'hate crime' have yet to be used in connection with Dallas even though that's exactly what it was. If there was an article that called it a hate crime, I didn't see it. Further, the officers who died were innocent but just because they're cops, they died.
Ignore it and it won't go away.
Do you ignore a rape victim? Does ignoring the rapist make them stop or go away?
Flawed logic.

It will go away because the desire to slap the racist label on anything and everything will be unacceptable.
No, of course a rape victim shouldn't be ignored. Ignoring someone following you or actively harming you is stupid and comparing apples to oranges. What would make rapists go away is for parents of boys to teach their boys that women are not objects to satisfy their desire. That they do not get to touch a woman just because they're a man.
Flawed logic? That would be your attempt to equate rape (a crime) to racism (a mindset).
I, for one, refuse to give a voice to racism as its a blight on society. People are people. Achieve and succeed on your own merit or don't. Some people need more help than others. Not because of their race but because of their circumstances. No race is inherently better or worse than any other and I refuse to acknowledge the race card. I'm not blind to it, I just won't acknowledge it. I'm also tired of the double standard. It's ok to designate an event as blacks only but it's not ok to designate an event as whites only. Either both are ok or neither are. For me, it's the latter.

It will go away, when people STOP BEING RACIST or turning a blind eye to it.

Its harder for some to achieve on their own merit if they can't get past the front door.

Blacks only events, whites only events, yes I agree there has become a double standard and allowing this only helps to keep people at odds, there is no common ground.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Ohfour wrote:
Of course it does. When the left says that its racist, it proves they are looking for racism everywhere.

Dramatic much?!

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Ohfour wrote:
Affirmative Action insures that my white kid with better grades gets looked over for a black kid with far less marks because...black quotas.

Victim much?

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

chef wrote:
apple wrote:
chef wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
This reminds me of Joy Behr saying the term Black Friday was racist and needed to be changed. Lol!
When you look for racism everywhere, you become a BIG part of the problem. This thread is a perfect example...
This. So much this.
Want racism to die? Stop acknowledging it. Stop feeding it. Stop giving it a voice. Instead of pulling the race card, have an open-ended discussion about whatever the issue is. Racism will never go away as long as it's being searched out.
There will always be a bad apple in the bunch. Deal with that bad apple as a singular entity.
Then there's stuff like Dallas. Black people want police to stop targeting them yet BLM targets the police rather than leading by example. I can't help but notice that the words 'hate crime' have yet to be used in connection with Dallas even though that's exactly what it was. If there was an article that called it a hate crime, I didn't see it. Further, the officers who died were innocent but just because they're cops, they died.
Ignore it and it won't go away.
Do you ignore a rape victim? Does ignoring the rapist make them stop or go away?
Flawed logic.

It will go away because the desire to slap the racist label on anything and everything will be unacceptable.
No, of course a rape victim shouldn't be ignored. Ignoring someone following you or actively harming you is stupid and comparing apples to oranges. What would make rapists go away is for parents of boys to teach their boys that women are not objects to satisfy their desire. That they do not get to touch a woman just because they're a man.
Flawed logic? That would be your attempt to equate rape (a crime) to racism (a mindset).
I, for one, refuse to give a voice to racism as its a blight on society. People are people. Achieve and succeed on your own merit or don't. Some people need more help than others. Not because of their race but because of their circumstances. No race is inherently better or worse than any other and I refuse to acknowledge the race card. I'm not blind to it, I just won't acknowledge it. I'm also tired of the double standard. It's ok to designate an event as blacks only but it's not ok to designate an event as whites only. Either both are ok or neither are. For me, it's the latter.

Why would a white person need to "give a voice to racism?'

It doesn't matter one iota if you won't "acknowledge" it or not. It exists.

flan

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Affirmative Action insures that my white kid with better grades gets looked over for a black kid with far less marks because...black quotas.
Victim much?
flan

Nope. Just pointing out the load of BS this article is...and you believe it. But thats not surprising.

Your kids are black. They get the benefit of this law. Of COURSE you support it. It works in your favor...

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Affirmative Action insures that my white kid with better grades gets looked over for a black kid with far less marks because...black quotas.
Victim much?
flan
Nope. Just pointing out the load of BS this article is...and you believe it. But thats not surprising.
Your kids are black. They get the benefit of this law. Of COURSE you support it. It works in your favor...

You mentioned that your Lasik had reverted. Truer words were never spoken. You're blind, and the worst part is that it's YOUR CHOICE.

flan

apple · Guru

Where in the blog does it address AA?

Ohfour · Hooker

apple wrote:
Where in the blog does it address AA?

Its says that laws are geared toward white people. I'm pointing out that a BIG one, AA, is most definitely not. In fact, it HURTS white people...

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Affirmative Action insures that my white kid with better grades gets looked over for a black kid with far less marks because...black quotas.
Victim much?
flan
Nope. Just pointing out the load of BS this article is...and you believe it. But thats not surprising.
Your kids are black. They get the benefit of this law. Of COURSE you support it. It works in your favor...
You mentioned that your Lasik had reverted. Truer words were never spoken. You're blind, and the worst part is that it's YOUR CHOICE.
flan

So, you don't actually refute what I said, you just don't like that I said it, huh?

apple · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
apple wrote:
Where in the blog does it address AA?

Its says that laws are geared toward white people. I'm pointing out that a BIG one, AA, is most definitely not. In fact, it HURTS white people...

The laws, whether they state they are for everyone or not, are created to benefit me. Images in the media make me look better, give me depth, and celebrate me. I was taught all of my life that any skin colour not white is 'other', which placed me at the centre of everything. Everything is measured, taught, created, promoted, and offered with me in mind as the consumer.

So ya, it doesn't address AA specifically.

Do you believe the laws (in general) are not geared toward white people?

Divine Geek · Guru

apple wrote:
Where in the blog does it address AA?

I didn't see where it expressly addressed AA. But threads and discussions evolve. You know better than to expect something to stay exactly on topic.

chef · Guru

apple wrote:
chef wrote:
apple wrote:
chef wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
This reminds me of Joy Behr saying the term Black Friday was racist and needed to be changed. Lol!
When you look for racism everywhere, you become a BIG part of the problem. This thread is a perfect example...
This. So much this.
Want racism to die? Stop acknowledging it. Stop feeding it. Stop giving it a voice. Instead of pulling the race card, have an open-ended discussion about whatever the issue is. Racism will never go away as long as it's being searched out.
There will always be a bad apple in the bunch. Deal with that bad apple as a singular entity.
Then there's stuff like Dallas. Black people want police to stop targeting them yet BLM targets the police rather than leading by example. I can't help but notice that the words 'hate crime' have yet to be used in connection with Dallas even though that's exactly what it was. If there was an article that called it a hate crime, I didn't see it. Further, the officers who died were innocent but just because they're cops, they died.
Ignore it and it won't go away.
Do you ignore a rape victim? Does ignoring the rapist make them stop or go away?
Flawed logic.

It will go away because the desire to slap the racist label on anything and everything will be unacceptable.
No, of course a rape victim shouldn't be ignored. Ignoring someone following you or actively harming you is stupid and comparing apples to oranges. What would make rapists go away is for parents of boys to teach their boys that women are not objects to satisfy their desire. That they do not get to touch a woman just because they're a man.
Flawed logic? That would be your attempt to equate rape (a crime) to racism (a mindset).
I, for one, refuse to give a voice to racism as its a blight on society. People are people. Achieve and succeed on your own merit or don't. Some people need more help than others. Not because of their race but because of their circumstances. No race is inherently better or worse than any other and I refuse to acknowledge the race card. I'm not blind to it, I just won't acknowledge it. I'm also tired of the double standard. It's ok to designate an event as blacks only but it's not ok to designate an event as whites only. Either both are ok or neither are. For me, it's the latter.
It will go away, when people STOP BEING RACIST or turning a blind eye to it.
Its harder for some to achieve on their own merit if they can't get past the front door.
Blacks only events, whites only events, yes I agree there has become a double standard and allowing this only helps to keep people at odds, there is no common ground.

And people won't stop being racist as long as they get patted on the head for throwing the race card when something happens to them that they don't like.

Yes, sometimes, a person is stopped because of their race. More often, that person is stopped because they did something wrong.

"I got a ticket cuz I'm black" ... How many times have we heard crap like this? Could it possibly be that you got a ticket because you were speeding? Does the ticket say that your offense was being black? No? Then quit with the race card. This is the crap I refuse to acknowledge. It's quickly becoming un-PC to ticket or arrest a black person for breaking the law.

Ohfour · Hooker

apple wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
apple wrote:
Where in the blog does it address AA?

Its says that laws are geared toward white people. I'm pointing out that a BIG one, AA, is most definitely not. In fact, it HURTS white people...
The laws, whether they state they are for everyone or not, are created to benefit me. Images in the media make me look better, give me depth, and celebrate me. I was taught all of my life that any skin colour not white is 'other', which placed me at the centre of everything. Everything is measured, taught, created, promoted, and offered with me in mind as the consumer.
So ya, it doesn't address AA specifically.
Do you believe the laws (in general) are not geared toward white people?

I do not believe that. Not for one minute. I gave you an example of a law that hurts whites and helps blacks. Now you show me a law that does the opposite.

chef · Guru

flan327 wrote:
chef wrote:
apple wrote:
chef wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
This reminds me of Joy Behr saying the term Black Friday was racist and needed to be changed. Lol!
When you look for racism everywhere, you become a BIG part of the problem. This thread is a perfect example...
This. So much this.
Want racism to die? Stop acknowledging it. Stop feeding it. Stop giving it a voice. Instead of pulling the race card, have an open-ended discussion about whatever the issue is. Racism will never go away as long as it's being searched out.
There will always be a bad apple in the bunch. Deal with that bad apple as a singular entity.
Then there's stuff like Dallas. Black people want police to stop targeting them yet BLM targets the police rather than leading by example. I can't help but notice that the words 'hate crime' have yet to be used in connection with Dallas even though that's exactly what it was. If there was an article that called it a hate crime, I didn't see it. Further, the officers who died were innocent but just because they're cops, they died.
Ignore it and it won't go away.
Do you ignore a rape victim? Does ignoring the rapist make them stop or go away?
Flawed logic.

It will go away because the desire to slap the racist label on anything and everything will be unacceptable.
No, of course a rape victim shouldn't be ignored. Ignoring someone following you or actively harming you is stupid and comparing apples to oranges. What would make rapists go away is for parents of boys to teach their boys that women are not objects to satisfy their desire. That they do not get to touch a woman just because they're a man.
Flawed logic? That would be your attempt to equate rape (a crime) to racism (a mindset).
I, for one, refuse to give a voice to racism as its a blight on society. People are people. Achieve and succeed on your own merit or don't. Some people need more help than others. Not because of their race but because of their circumstances. No race is inherently better or worse than any other and I refuse to acknowledge the race card. I'm not blind to it, I just won't acknowledge it. I'm also tired of the double standard. It's ok to designate an event as blacks only but it's not ok to designate an event as whites only. Either both are ok or neither are. For me, it's the latter.
Why would a white person need to "give a voice to racism?'
It doesn't matter one iota if you won't "acknowledge" it or not. It exists.
flan

Your question is hypocritical seeing as how you're on this thread too. If you feel a white person has no need to give a voice to racism then you wouldn't be on this thread. To answer it, however, every person regardless of race needs to work together to end bad things. Racism is bad. Better yet, consider the opposite of your question: Why wouldn't a white person need to give a voice to racism? Does being white mean one shouldn't start a dialogue on racism?

Your statement belies your desire for racism to continue. As long as people label everything as racism, it will exist. So, have it your way. Keep the racism going. I'd like to see it end and I'm doing my part to end it - by refusing to call everything racism. If it's truly racism, I'll call it as such. If it's manufactured racism (as is the case with a lot of the incidents lately), I will not give BLM and their ilk what they want - i.e. calling it racism.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

apple wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
apple wrote:
Where in the blog does it address AA?

Its says that laws are geared toward white people. I'm pointing out that a BIG one, AA, is most definitely not. In fact, it HURTS white people...
The laws, whether they state they are for everyone or not, are created to benefit me. Images in the media make me look better, give me depth, and celebrate me. I was taught all of my life that any skin colour not white is 'other', which placed me at the centre of everything. Everything is measured, taught, created, promoted, and offered with me in mind as the consumer.
So ya, it doesn't address AA specifically.
Do you believe the laws (in general) are not geared toward white people?

No.

I do not believe the laws are geared toward anyone.

And it's plain crazy to think it is.

chef · Guru

It's amazing. On the thread about the Pulse shooter declaring he was acting for ISIS, we were told to not feed into ISIS' desire for publicity. Don't mention them. Don't give them what they want - publicity. Don't acknowledge their terrorist acts. Yet, on this thread, we're told that ignoring racism won't help. That we need to recognize racism. That we need to admit it exists. Ironic that we should not give a voice to one bad thing but give a voice to another bad thing.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

chef wrote:
It's amazing. On the thread about the Pulse shooter declaring he was acting for ISIS, we were told to not feed into ISIS' desire for publicity. Don't mention them. Don't give them what they want - publicity. Don't acknowledge their terrorist acts. Yet, on this thread, we're told that ignoring racism won't help. That we need to recognize racism. That we need to admit it exists. Ironic that we should not give a voice to one bad thing but give a voice to another bad thing.

Yep.

It's crazy, ain't it?

chef · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
chef wrote:
It's amazing. On the thread about the Pulse shooter declaring he was acting for ISIS, we were told to not feed into ISIS' desire for publicity. Don't mention them. Don't give them what they want - publicity. Don't acknowledge their terrorist acts. Yet, on this thread, we're told that ignoring racism won't help. That we need to recognize racism. That we need to admit it exists. Ironic that we should not give a voice to one bad thing but give a voice to another bad thing.
Yep.
It's crazy, ain't it?

Very much so.

Something else that's crazy - I saw on FB that the co-founder of BLM said that saying 'all lives matter' is racist. Really? So ONLY black lives matter? No other life matters? Rather arrogant of her. I can't imagine having such a myopic worldview that only allows for the concept that lives within my races are the only important lives. I suppose she doesn't grasp that saying 'all lives matter' includes black lives.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Well of course they would have a problem with it.

It make them equal to others.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

chef wrote:
It's amazing. On the thread about the Pulse shooter declaring he was acting for ISIS, we were told to not feed into ISIS' desire for publicity. Don't mention them. Don't give them what they want - publicity. Don't acknowledge their terrorist acts. Yet, on this thread, we're told that ignoring racism won't help. That we need to recognize racism. That we need to admit it exists. Ironic that we should not give a voice to one bad thing but give a voice to another bad thing.

Cuz racism & terrorism are the same things.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

lilyofcourse wrote:
chef wrote:
It's amazing. On the thread about the Pulse shooter declaring he was acting for ISIS, we were told to not feed into ISIS' desire for publicity. Don't mention them. Don't give them what they want - publicity. Don't acknowledge their terrorist acts. Yet, on this thread, we're told that ignoring racism won't help. That we need to recognize racism. That we need to admit it exists. Ironic that we should not give a voice to one bad thing but give a voice to another bad thing.
Yep.
It's crazy, ain't it?

And SEVERAL posters on the Pulse thread disagreed.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

chef wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
chef wrote:
It's amazing. On the thread about the Pulse shooter declaring he was acting for ISIS, we were told to not feed into ISIS' desire for publicity. Don't mention them. Don't give them what they want - publicity. Don't acknowledge their terrorist acts. Yet, on this thread, we're told that ignoring racism won't help. That we need to recognize racism. That we need to admit it exists. Ironic that we should not give a voice to one bad thing but give a voice to another bad thing.
Yep.
It's crazy, ain't it?
Very much so.
Something else that's crazy - I saw on FB that the co-founder of BLM said that saying 'all lives matter' is racist. Really? So ONLY black lives matter? No other life matters? Rather arrogant of her. I can't imagine having such a myopic worldview that only allows for the concept that lives within my races are the only important lives. I suppose she doesn't grasp that saying 'all lives matter' includes black lives.

You're very skilled at twisting words to try to prove your point...

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Flan, you choose to dwell on the problem rather than the solution. I told you what the solution is. One Nation Under God. That's the solution. One people. Americans. Not hyphenated Americans. Not nursing the grievances of the past but bonding together for the future. Not looking at skin color or what political group they belong too or whether they use paper or plastic bags or eat red meat. Human beings treating other human beings with respect. That's it. Now, you can blather on about black hats and black olives and Black Friday or not.

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Arent your sons more successful than you, Flannie? Even being black?
1. Define "successful."
2. They are bi-racial.
flan

When they check that little box, 10 to 1, they check black. Bi racial isn't even an option...
What is WRONG with you? Maybe NOT in Tennessee, but it IS here.
flan

Bullschitt. Bi racial can mean a million different things. My grandkids are bi racial, and are not black. They want facts, not some vague description. If they had a bi racial option, they would have to list all the different combos. They dont. Federal forms dont give you that option. So, flannie, do your sons check black or white? I'd bet the house they check black. Its more beneficial to them....

chef · Guru

flan327 wrote:
chef wrote:
It's amazing. On the thread about the Pulse shooter declaring he was acting for ISIS, we were told to not feed into ISIS' desire for publicity. Don't mention them. Don't give them what they want - publicity. Don't acknowledge their terrorist acts. Yet, on this thread, we're told that ignoring racism won't help. That we need to recognize racism. That we need to admit it exists. Ironic that we should not give a voice to one bad thing but give a voice to another bad thing.
Cuz racism & terrorism are the same things.
flan

They are?! Really?! Wow!

The point is they're both bad. So why is one ok to talk about and one isn't?

chef · Guru

flan327 wrote:
chef wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
chef wrote:
It's amazing. On the thread about the Pulse shooter declaring he was acting for ISIS, we were told to not feed into ISIS' desire for publicity. Don't mention them. Don't give them what they want - publicity. Don't acknowledge their terrorist acts. Yet, on this thread, we're told that ignoring racism won't help. That we need to recognize racism. That we need to admit it exists. Ironic that we should not give a voice to one bad thing but give a voice to another bad thing.
Yep.
It's crazy, ain't it?
Very much so.
Something else that's crazy - I saw on FB that the co-founder of BLM said that saying 'all lives matter' is racist. Really? So ONLY black lives matter? No other life matters? Rather arrogant of her. I can't imagine having such a myopic worldview that only allows for the concept that lives within my races are the only important lives. I suppose she doesn't grasp that saying 'all lives matter' includes black lives.
You're very skilled at twisting words to try to prove your point...
flan

I'm not twisting any words. You've accused me of that a lot lately. Are you ok?

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

They are both aspects of hate. So, they are sides of the same coin.

chef · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Flan, you choose to dwell on the problem rather than the solution. I told you what the solution is. One Nation Under God. That's the solution. One people. Americans. Not hyphenated Americans. Not nursing the grievances of the past but bonding together for the future. Not looking at skin color or what political group they belong too or whether they use paper or plastic bags or eat red meat. Human beings treating other human beings with respect. That's it. Now, you can blather on about black hats and black olives and Black Friday or not.

Amen!

Very well said and I agree.

chef · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
They are both aspects of hate. So, they are sides of the same coin.

Precisely my point.

burns07 · Guru

the civil rights act of '64 is misunderstood by nearly everyone, including those who claim to be familiar with its intent--crafted by johnson and humphrey, like a lot of idealistic government programs, it started out as a good idea, as something needed for a long time then gradually, as the liberals gained more sway over the act, became a powerful vector for reverse discrimination, that is, discrimination against whites/caucasians--many of its provisions, including among others affirmative action, blatantly disregarded INDIVIDUAL MERIT and ABILITY and focused instead on race alone--ultimately undermining, as history has proven time and again, the integrity of nearly every institution over which it has held sway--consider that for a moment

humphrey, as the act was nearing completion, had significant reservations about the entire legislative package particularly as it had morphed ( due to vigorous efforts by the libs ) into a weapon that could actually weaken our country through its myriad provisions and " quotas "--he saw what the ramifications would be and actually tried on several occaisions to remove the more
blatantly discriminatory ( against whites/caucasians ) provisions but was, in the main, unsuccessful

more than 50 years later, look around you and it is evident that humphrey was right and the Act (as ammended ) was indeed wrong for america

WYSIWYG · Guru

Flan, you choose to dwell on the problem rather than the solution. I told you what the solution is. One Nation Under God. That's the solution. One people. Americans. Not hyphenated Americans. Not nursing the grievances of the past but bonding together for the future. Not looking at skin color or what political group they belong too or whether they use paper or plastic bags or eat red meat. Human beings treating other human beings with respect. That's it. Now, you can blather on about black hats and black olives and Black Friday or not.
- Lady Gaga Snerd

_________________________________

As the First Amendment separates Church and State, I disagree with the solution being "One Nation Under God". I believe it should be "One Nation, Indivisible". That way those of us that do believe can live in peace with the ones that don't. Would I like them to believe in my God? Certainly. Should it be forced upon them? No.

I do agree with the rest of your statement though. We need to stop with all this "hyphenated-American" garbage. We need to be American. Period.

burns07 · Guru

We need to stop with all this "hyphenated-American" garbage. We need to be American. Period.
________________________________________________________________________

yes

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

burns07 wrote:

We need to stop with all this "hyphenated-American" garbage. We need to be American. Period.
________________________________________________________________________

yes

Why can't people be proud of their heritage?

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

chef wrote:
flan327 wrote:
chef wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
chef wrote:
It's amazing. On the thread about the Pulse shooter declaring he was acting for ISIS, we were told to not feed into ISIS' desire for publicity. Don't mention them. Don't give them what they want - publicity. Don't acknowledge their terrorist acts. Yet, on this thread, we're told that ignoring racism won't help. That we need to recognize racism. That we need to admit it exists. Ironic that we should not give a voice to one bad thing but give a voice to another bad thing.
Yep.
It's crazy, ain't it?
Very much so.
Something else that's crazy - I saw on FB that the co-founder of BLM said that saying 'all lives matter' is racist. Really? So ONLY black lives matter? No other life matters? Rather arrogant of her. I can't imagine having such a myopic worldview that only allows for the concept that lives within my races are the only important lives. I suppose she doesn't grasp that saying 'all lives matter' includes black lives.
You're very skilled at twisting words to try to prove your point...
flan
I'm not twisting any words. You've accused me of that a lot lately. Are you ok?

Peachy keen, Darlin'.

Just tired of your games.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Arent your sons more successful than you, Flannie? Even being black?
1. Define "successful."
2. They are bi-racial.
flan

When they check that little box, 10 to 1, they check black. Bi racial isn't even an option...
What is WRONG with you? Maybe NOT in Tennessee, but it IS here.
flan
Bullschitt. Bi racial can mean a million different things. My grandkids are bi racial, and are not black. They want facts, not some vague description. If they had a bi racial option, they would have to list all the different combos. They dont. Federal forms dont give you that option. So, flannie, do your sons check black or white? I'd bet the house they check black. Its more beneficial to them....

"Facts?"

Here's the definition of biracial:

"having a biological mother from one racial group and a biological father from another"

Notice it doesn't specify WHICH group. No need.

flan

chef · Guru

flan327 wrote:
chef wrote:
flan327 wrote:
chef wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
chef wrote:
It's amazing. On the thread about the Pulse shooter declaring he was acting for ISIS, we were told to not feed into ISIS' desire for publicity. Don't mention them. Don't give them what they want - publicity. Don't acknowledge their terrorist acts. Yet, on this thread, we're told that ignoring racism won't help. That we need to recognize racism. That we need to admit it exists. Ironic that we should not give a voice to one bad thing but give a voice to another bad thing.
Yep.
It's crazy, ain't it?
Very much so.
Something else that's crazy - I saw on FB that the co-founder of BLM said that saying 'all lives matter' is racist. Really? So ONLY black lives matter? No other life matters? Rather arrogant of her. I can't imagine having such a myopic worldview that only allows for the concept that lives within my races are the only important lives. I suppose she doesn't grasp that saying 'all lives matter' includes black lives.
You're very skilled at twisting words to try to prove your point...
flan
I'm not twisting any words. You've accused me of that a lot lately. Are you ok?
Peachy keen, Darlin'.
Just tired of your games.
flan

What games?

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Arent your sons more successful than you, Flannie? Even being black?
1. Define "successful."
2. They are bi-racial.
flan

When they check that little box, 10 to 1, they check black. Bi racial isn't even an option...
What is WRONG with you? Maybe NOT in Tennessee, but it IS here.
flan
Bullschitt. Bi racial can mean a million different things. My grandkids are bi racial, and are not black. They want facts, not some vague description. If they had a bi racial option, they would have to list all the different combos. They dont. Federal forms dont give you that option. So, flannie, do your sons check black or white? I'd bet the house they check black. Its more beneficial to them....
"Facts?"
Here's the definition of biracial:
"having a biological mother from one racial group and a biological father from another"
Notice it doesn't specify WHICH group. No need.
flan

Bi racial isnt a race. And this country revolves around race. Of COURSE it matters which group. If it didnt, then there wouldnt be a nice little box to check with your race. Bi racial doesnt cut it. They need specifics. And I dont believe you that bi racial is an option.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Morning, sunshine!!!!!

flan

p.s. I am telling you what was on forms that my sons filled out. Call me a LIAR again...

p.p.s. Biracial isn't a race?!

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
Morning, sunshine!!!!!

flan

p.s. I am telling you what was on forms that my sons filled out. Call me a LIAR again...

p.p.s. Biracial isn't a race?!

And I call BS...

Here is a standard Federal Form. Where does it say bi-racial?

https://www.opm.gov/forms/pdf_fill/sf181.pdf

Your sons are would have to check more than one box, but bi-racial is NOT a race according to the Federal Government...

-- Edited by Ohfour on Wednesday 13th of July 2016 09:16:48 AM

-- Edited by Ohfour on Wednesday 13th of July 2016 09:17:04 AM

Lindley · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Morning, sunshine!!!!!

flan

p.s. I am telling you what was on forms that my sons filled out. Call me a LIAR again...

p.p.s. Biracial isn't a race?!
And I call BS...

Here is a standard Federal Form. Where does it say bi-racial?

https://www.opm.gov/forms/pdf_fill/sf181.pdf

Your sons are would have to check more than one box, but bi-racial is NOT a race according to the Federal Government...

-- Edited by Ohfour on Wednesday 13th of July 2016 09:16:48 AM

-- Edited by Ohfour on Wednesday 13th of July 2016 09:17:04 AM

Could it possibly be a new addition to applications since biracial children population is growing? I don't remember ever seeing biracial on applications I filled out or my childrens.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

It may just be state or school forms rather than Federal.

flan

apple · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Flan, you choose to dwell on the problem rather than the solution. I told you what the solution is. One Nation Under God. That's the solution. One people. Americans. Not hyphenated Americans. Not nursing the grievances of the past but bonding together for the future. Not looking at skin color or what political group they belong too or whether they use paper or plastic bags or eat red meat. Human beings treating other human beings with respect. That's it. Now, you can blather on about black hats and black olives and Black Friday or not.

I agree human beings should treat other human beings with respect.

However, ignoring the very real problem of discrimination, does not make it go away.

So what is your solution?

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Stop giving it a voice.

Stop giving racism attention.

Don't live your life in fear of racism.

apple · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
Stop giving it a voice.

Stop giving racism attention.

Don't live your life in fear of racism.

I see, so you believe that if you ignore it, it will go away?

Equality is not something that usually evolves without a little help, and most certainly it does not evolve without acknowledgement. IMO.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

apple wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Stop giving it a voice.

Stop giving racism attention.

Don't live your life in fear of racism.

I see, so you believe that if you ignore it, it will go away?
Equality is not something that usually evolves without a little help, and most certainly it does not evolve without acknowledgement. IMO.

I can't imagine anyone living their life in "fear of racism?"

What does that mean?

flan

Ohfour · Hooker

apple wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Stop giving it a voice.

Stop giving racism attention.

Don't live your life in fear of racism.

I see, so you believe that if you ignore it, it will go away?
Equality is not something that usually evolves without a little help, and most certainly it does not evolve without acknowledgement. IMO.

a little help? Affirmative Action? How much else help do people need? We are all give the same opportunities. It's your (general) fault if you don't accept those...

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

apple wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Stop giving it a voice.

Stop giving racism attention.

Don't live your life in fear of racism.

I see, so you believe that if you ignore it, it will go away?
Equality is not something that usually evolves without a little help, and most certainly it does not evolve without acknowledgement. IMO.

Hey.

That's your proposed action plan against terrorism.