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Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Martha Stewart blasts lazy millennials saying most still live with their parents and don't have enough initiative

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

DS says there are two types of Millennials. There is the type that were born to parents who were really young when the kids came along and worked their butts off and so don't tolerate laziness and expected their kids to make their own way in life, and then those that were born to parents who waited to have kids until they were set in the their careers and McMansions . DS is of the former type. I think he is right.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I agree with that assessment.

Lindley · Guru

I agree Ikwtd.

vtveggie · Member

She's 74!?

Mary Zombie · Guru

I love Martha!

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Mary Zombie wrote:
I love Martha!

Good for you.

flan

Mary Zombie · Guru

Yep it sure is lol.

I can't get over the young adults that do NOTHING. Like DF's nephew. He and his friends just flop from house to house and he comes back to SIL and BIL 's house when the other parents get sick of feeding him. Why they haven't kicked him out yet or dropped him off at daily labor force every morning yet is beyond me. I started working in high school.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Both of my boys started working in high school, too.

DS2 started even earlier. He was a ref for soccer games (little kids) and would often do 2 - 3 a Saturday.

flan

Mary Zombie · Guru

I just set can't imagine not wanting to be out on own and making money. Does not compute.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I think, and this is my opinion, the reason people are not "go getters" now has a lot to do with helicopter parenting and constantly trying to "give them better than we had" mentality.

Think about it.

How much responsibility did you have at age 9 compared to the 9 year olds today?

At 9 we were mowing yards and taking care of younger siblingsand making meals and running errands.

9 year olds now are "not old enough".

That seed of learning to do for yourself was planted a lot younger in us.

apple · Guru

While I do believe "kids" are staying at home longer, here it is because housing is not affordable.

Parenting is the most difficult job, I wont criticize parents. Kids eventually figure it all out.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

lilyofcourse wrote:
I think, and this is my opinion, the reason people are not "go getters" now has a lot to do with helicopter parenting and constantly trying to "give them better than we had" mentality.

Think about it.

How much responsibility did you have at age 9 compared to the 9 year olds today?

At 9 we were mowing yards and taking care of younger siblingsand making meals and running errands.

9 year olds now are "not old enough".

That seed of learning to do for yourself was planted a lot younger in us.

I can only speak for myself & my children. They had, actually, MORE responsibility than I did at the same age.

It's the only way a single-parent household can function.

flan

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

I don't know a single millennial who is like what Martha Stewart describes.

And IKWTDS - I think your son's assessment is spot on.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

flan327 wrote:
Both of my boys started working in high school, too.

DS2 started even earlier. He was a ref for soccer games (little kids) and would often do 2 - 3 a Saturday.

flan

I pay the bills for a softball league. It warms my heart the repeat umpires. They are young teens and ref several times a week, $45 each game. One kid I had issues getting his check to him because of issues with his parents. He was upstanding. I finally met him to give him his checks for the past few months.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

apple wrote:
While I do believe "kids" are staying at home longer, here it is because housing is not affordable.

Parenting is the most difficult job, I wont criticize parents. Kids eventually figure it all out.

Didn't seem affordable when I was 18 either, but I made it work. Got a roommate and didn't try to rent the castle.

Ohfour · Hooker

My kids were both out not long after they graduated. They had apartments with roommates. They got housewares for Christmas and birthdays.
We never gave them anything for rent or co signed. They figured it out by themselves.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Both of my boys started working in high school, too.

DS2 started even earlier. He was a ref for soccer games (little kids) and would often do 2 - 3 a Saturday.

flan
I pay the bills for a softball league. It warms my heart the repeat umpires. They are young teens and ref several times a week, $45 each game. One kid I had issues getting his check to him because of issues with his parents. He was upstanding. I finally met him to give him his checks for the past few months.

And I watched a few of the games DS2 reffed...It was disgusting how the parents treated a 14-year old kid.

Usually a coach would step in.

But that's another thread!

flan

Vette · Owl drink to that!

I couldn't wait to move out when I was eighteen. And I agree that the mentality of wanting your kids to have a better life has been pretty warped. Most parents seem to think that means to not have to do anything. SO's son literally has no chores and sometimes it really makes me mad when I'm doing all the housework and he's sitting there playing on his iPad. I can already see he's going to be a real prize someday *eyeroll*

Vette · Owl drink to that!

To add to that though, it's not really his fault, if I was a kid I might not do chores either if my parents didn't make me

apple · Guru

I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
apple wrote:
While I do believe "kids" are staying at home longer, here it is because housing is not affordable.

Parenting is the most difficult job, I wont criticize parents. Kids eventually figure it all out.
Didn't seem affordable when I was 18 either, but I made it work. Got a roommate and didn't try to rent the castle.

No, its not that it doesn't seem affordable. It isn't.

When the average house price is 1.5million, people tend to ask for a lot of rent. Also, regardless, the vacancy rate is just about zero.

So not only can't they afford it (a bunch of kids going in together) but if they can, they can't find a place. It is the reality here.

-- Edited by apple on Thursday 14th of July 2016 01:03:22 PM

apple · Guru

VetteGirl wrote:
I couldn't wait to move out when I was eighteen. And I agree that the mentality of wanting your kids to have a better life has been pretty warped. Most parents seem to think that means to not have to do anything. SO's son literally has no chores and sometimes it really makes me mad when I'm doing all the housework and he's sitting there playing on his iPad. I can already see he's going to be a real prize someday *eyeroll*

Same here, I moved out at 17. Never looked back.

Its a different world now.

Ohfour · Hooker

apple wrote:
VetteGirl wrote:
I couldn't wait to move out when I was eighteen. And I agree that the mentality of wanting your kids to have a better life has been pretty warped. Most parents seem to think that means to not have to do anything. SO's son literally has no chores and sometimes it really makes me mad when I'm doing all the housework and he's sitting there playing on his iPad. I can already see he's going to be a real prize someday *eyeroll*
Same here, I moved out at 17. Never looked back.
Its a different world now.

Maybe there, but not here. My DD bought her first house at 22. She's on her second house (upgraded sine she now has 2 kids) at 26. Probably 90% of her friends own their houses...

apple · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
apple wrote:
VetteGirl wrote:
I couldn't wait to move out when I was eighteen. And I agree that the mentality of wanting your kids to have a better life has been pretty warped. Most parents seem to think that means to not have to do anything. SO's son literally has no chores and sometimes it really makes me mad when I'm doing all the housework and he's sitting there playing on his iPad. I can already see he's going to be a real prize someday *eyeroll*
Same here, I moved out at 17. Never looked back.
Its a different world now.
Maybe there, but not here. My DD bought her first house at 22. She's on her second house (upgraded sine she now has 2 kids) at 26. Probably 90% of her friends own their houses...

Yes, it is much different here.

Ohfour · Hooker

apple wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
apple wrote:
VetteGirl wrote:
I couldn't wait to move out when I was eighteen. And I agree that the mentality of wanting your kids to have a better life has been pretty warped. Most parents seem to think that means to not have to do anything. SO's son literally has no chores and sometimes it really makes me mad when I'm doing all the housework and he's sitting there playing on his iPad. I can already see he's going to be a real prize someday *eyeroll*
Same here, I moved out at 17. Never looked back.
Its a different world now.
Maybe there, but not here. My DD bought her first house at 22. She's on her second house (upgraded sine she now has 2 kids) at 26. Probably 90% of her friends own their houses...
Yes, it is much different here.

Why is that? It seems Canada is more repressive than the US. And I have been told it's the opposite. I'm genuinely curious...I'm not being snarky...

apple · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
apple wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
apple wrote:
VetteGirl wrote:
I couldn't wait to move out when I was eighteen. And I agree that the mentality of wanting your kids to have a better life has been pretty warped. Most parents seem to think that means to not have to do anything. SO's son literally has no chores and sometimes it really makes me mad when I'm doing all the housework and he's sitting there playing on his iPad. I can already see he's going to be a real prize someday *eyeroll*
Same here, I moved out at 17. Never looked back.
Its a different world now.
Maybe there, but not here. My DD bought her first house at 22. She's on her second house (upgraded sine she now has 2 kids) at 26. Probably 90% of her friends own their houses...
Yes, it is much different here.

Why is that? It seems Canada is more repressive than the US. And I have been told it's the opposite. I'm genuinely curious...I'm not being snarky...

Repressive? How so?

While the Canadian housing market is on an uptrend, Vancouver itself has become an international city, very desirable place to live for many reasons.

Its supply and demand, what the market will bear.

Ohfour · Hooker

I need to go to Canada and build a schitt ton of apartments for young adults!!!!!

I just can't imagine living at home after graduating. That has to weigh on the psyche...

apple · Guru

A lot of people create suites in their homes for the kids while the kids save money and or go to school.

People line up, camp out ... wait in long lines in order to purchase un-built condos. Nobody wants to rent out, the rent would have to be ridiculously high to cover the cost.

Ohfour · Hooker

apple wrote:
A lot of people create suites in their homes for the kids while the kids save money and or go to school.

People line up, camp out ... wait in long lines in order to purchase un-built condos. Nobody wants to rent out, the rent would have to be ridiculously high to cover the cost.

You have "affordable" healthcare, we have affordable housing. I'll take the housing every single time...

apple · Guru

I do very much enjoy not having to deal with doctor bills and insurance.
If you were in the housing market years ago, you are suddenly a millionaire. So its not all bad.
The economy is thriving, we never felt the downturn or whatever you called it.

burns07 · Guru

I'll take the housing every single time
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have cousins that have been buying property in jasper and elsewhere in bc since the '70s--they've done (and are doing) very well--holding property in canada is a bit different from here in the US but is about the only thing in canada worth owning

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I want to visit Vancouver.

I have dreams of coming face to face with a high school drop out, an ex blood junkie and a broken angel. Maybe even a king.

Ohfour · Hooker

apple wrote:
I do very much enjoy not having to deal with doctor bills and insurance.
If you were in the housing market years ago, you are suddenly a millionaire. So its not all bad.
The economy is thriving, we never felt the downturn or whatever you called it.

We bought our house in 2012. It's valued at about 36% more than it was when we bought it. (I know because we refinanced about 6 months ago).

I know that some places were hit hard, by my area never was. We never had a downturn and are having to pick and choose which businesses we want here. They are coming in in droves. Of course, not having an income tax is VERY helpful. I just can't imagine paying the taxes that Canadians have to pay. You pay FAR more to the government than I do and get very little back for it.

I don't really deal with Dr bills. Once a year, I check "continue" on my insurance set up. Been doing that for 20 years now. I have an HSA that I put money into and any bills come out of that. I get a statement one a month. I look over it and toss it. I spend all of 20 minutes a year dealing with drs and insurance...

apple · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
apple wrote:
I do very much enjoy not having to deal with doctor bills and insurance.
If you were in the housing market years ago, you are suddenly a millionaire. So its not all bad.
The economy is thriving, we never felt the downturn or whatever you called it.
We bought our house in 2012. It's valued at about 36% more than it was when we bought it. (I know because we refinanced about 6 months ago).
I know that some places were hit hard, by my area never was. We never had a downturn and are having to pick and choose which businesses we want here. They are coming in in droves. Of course, not having an income tax is VERY helpful. I just can't imagine paying the taxes that Canadians have to pay. You pay FAR more to the government than I do and get very little back for it.
I don't really deal with Dr bills. Once a year, I check "continue" on my insurance set up. Been doing that for 20 years now. I have an HSA that I put money into and any bills come out of that. I get a statement one a month. I look over it and toss it. I spend all of 20 minutes a year dealing with drs and insurance...

My most recent property assessment was about 1.5 million. Crazy, since I paid only a fraction of that for the house. The upside is using the equity to purchase 2 other properties.

The only ones missing out here are the kids, I suppose it will be like any other international city where the house is grandfathered to the kids perhaps. I don't know, its there problem to deal with.

My personal taxes are probably in the range of 35 to 40 percent. It is a pretty high quality of life we live though. I hear horror stories about insurance companies in the USA having caps on medicines and or treatments, of people losing their homes because they can't pay medical bills. That is sad. Not to mention the stress of it all when you are already going through a crisis.

So its different, I'm not saying my country is better than yours, just that its different.

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

I think it very much depends on where you live in either country. I think most desirable cities have high cost of housing. I know DC & San Francisco are both outrageous here in the states. I live about 30 miles outside DC & just on the line where property prices dip. Even so if my exact house were in a different area it would probably cost less than half of what it did here.

I know Atlanta was hit extremely hard by the real estate bubble burst. If HGTV is to be believed you can get a gorgeous house for the price of an upscale vehicle there now.

apple · Guru

Lexxy wrote:
I think it very much depends on where you live in either country. I think most desirable cities have high cost of housing. I know DC & San Francisco are both outrageous here in the states. I live about 30 miles outside DC & just on the line where property prices dip. Even so if my exact house were in a different area it would probably cost less than half of what it did here.

I know Atlanta was hit extremely hard by the real estate bubble burst. If HGTV is to be believed you can get a gorgeous house for the price of an upscale vehicle there now.

I was watching one of those shows on HGTV and when I saw how much houses were it makes me sick. lol

You literally cannot get a shed here for what some gorgeous homes are going for in various parts of the States.

Mary Zombie · Guru

My area's market took a hit. My condo sold for 150k 15 years ago and I got it as a foreclosure for 40k.
The markets getting better now. Some similar units in here are going in the 60's or more now. Hopefully I can make someone money from mine in a couple years!

apple · Guru

Mary Zombie wrote:
My area's market took a hit. My condo sold for 150k 15 years ago and I got it as a foreclosure for 40k.
The markets getting better now. Some similar units in here are going in the 60's or more now. Hopefully I can make someone money from mine in a couple years!

I hope it continues to increase in value, I don't see why it wouldn't.

Mary Zombie · Guru

Yeah. We're hoping. We might rent it out for a while after we do some cosmetic updates and wait until the time is right 😀

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

Mary Zombie wrote:
My area's market took a hit. My condo sold for 150k 15 years ago and I got it as a foreclosure for 40k.
The markets getting better now. Some similar units in here are going in the 60's or more now. Hopefully I can make someone money from mine in a couple years!

Wow good for you Mary!! Even back in 1996 when I bought my first town house I paid over $100k for it.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Ohfour wrote:
apple wrote:
VetteGirl wrote:
I couldn't wait to move out when I was eighteen. And I agree that the mentality of wanting your kids to have a better life has been pretty warped. Most parents seem to think that means to not have to do anything. SO's son literally has no chores and sometimes it really makes me mad when I'm doing all the housework and he's sitting there playing on his iPad. I can already see he's going to be a real prize someday *eyeroll*
Same here, I moved out at 17. Never looked back.
Its a different world now.
Maybe there, but not here. My DD bought her first house at 22. She's on her second house (upgraded sine she now has 2 kids) at 26. Probably 90% of her friends own their houses...

Which is yet another example of the fact that you DON'T know how many people live.

DS2 bought his first house at 19. It's a nice starter house, but he'll have to keep it because a new house is not in his budget.

flan

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Caitlyn had been saving and was planning on being in her own place by now.

But a job change happened and she has put it off till next Summer.

Which is fine.

She's working, paying her bills and building up a nice cushion.

She will have her SL paid off and be debt free.

She is 21.

I was debt free before marrying at 23.

And I was debt free again within a year of my divorce at 29.

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
apple wrote:
VetteGirl wrote:
I couldn't wait to move out when I was eighteen. And I agree that the mentality of wanting your kids to have a better life has been pretty warped. Most parents seem to think that means to not have to do anything. SO's son literally has no chores and sometimes it really makes me mad when I'm doing all the housework and he's sitting there playing on his iPad. I can already see he's going to be a real prize someday *eyeroll*
Same here, I moved out at 17. Never looked back.
Its a different world now.
Maybe there, but not here. My DD bought her first house at 22. She's on her second house (upgraded sine she now has 2 kids) at 26. Probably 90% of her friends own their houses...
Which is yet another example of the fact that you DON'T know how many people live.
DS2 bought his first house at 19. It's a nice starter house, but he'll have to keep it because a new house is not in his budget.
flan

I KNOW how people live...I just choose not to live that way.

Your son could probably come here and get twice the house for half the price. He chooses not to. That' fine with me, but when people beyoch and moan about not having a job or not being able to afford a house, I give them a link to our classifieds that have literally thousands of job openings. And you an get a 1 BR apt just outside of Nashville for about $500 a month.

It's all about priorities...

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
apple wrote:
VetteGirl wrote:
I couldn't wait to move out when I was eighteen. And I agree that the mentality of wanting your kids to have a better life has been pretty warped. Most parents seem to think that means to not have to do anything. SO's son literally has no chores and sometimes it really makes me mad when I'm doing all the housework and he's sitting there playing on his iPad. I can already see he's going to be a real prize someday *eyeroll*
Same here, I moved out at 17. Never looked back.
Its a different world now.
Maybe there, but not here. My DD bought her first house at 22. She's on her second house (upgraded sine she now has 2 kids) at 26. Probably 90% of her friends own their houses...
Which is yet another example of the fact that you DON'T know how many people live.
DS2 bought his first house at 19. It's a nice starter house, but he'll have to keep it because a new house is not in his budget.
flan
I KNOW how people live...I just choose not to live that way.
Your son could probably come here and get twice the house for half the price. He chooses not to. That' fine with me, but when people beyoch and moan about not having a job or not being able to afford a house, I give them a link to our classifieds that have literally thousands of job openings. And you an get a 1 BR apt just outside of Nashville for about $500 a month.
It's all about priorities...

I think I just decided where I'll live after I retire smile Great music & cheap housing. I'll just have to remember not to order tea with my meals. You Southern folks ruin a good crisp glass of tea with all that sugar!

Ohfour · Hooker

Lexxy wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
apple wrote:
VetteGirl wrote:
I couldn't wait to move out when I was eighteen. And I agree that the mentality of wanting your kids to have a better life has been pretty warped. Most parents seem to think that means to not have to do anything. SO's son literally has no chores and sometimes it really makes me mad when I'm doing all the housework and he's sitting there playing on his iPad. I can already see he's going to be a real prize someday *eyeroll*
Same here, I moved out at 17. Never looked back.
Its a different world now.
Maybe there, but not here. My DD bought her first house at 22. She's on her second house (upgraded sine she now has 2 kids) at 26. Probably 90% of her friends own their houses...
Which is yet another example of the fact that you DON'T know how many people live.
DS2 bought his first house at 19. It's a nice starter house, but he'll have to keep it because a new house is not in his budget.
flan
I KNOW how people live...I just choose not to live that way.
Your son could probably come here and get twice the house for half the price. He chooses not to. That' fine with me, but when people beyoch and moan about not having a job or not being able to afford a house, I give them a link to our classifieds that have literally thousands of job openings. And you an get a 1 BR apt just outside of Nashville for about $500 a month.
It's all about priorities...
I think I just decided where I'll live after I retire Great music & cheap housing. I'll just have to remember not to order tea with my meals. You Southern folks ruin a good crisp glass of tea with all that sugar!

Come on!!!!!! I would love to have you! And you can order tea, you just have to specify UNSWEET tea. If not, you are definitely getting sweet tea...:)

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

Ohfour wrote:
Lexxy wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
apple wrote:
VetteGirl wrote:
I couldn't wait to move out when I was eighteen. And I agree that the mentality of wanting your kids to have a better life has been pretty warped. Most parents seem to think that means to not have to do anything. SO's son literally has no chores and sometimes it really makes me mad when I'm doing all the housework and he's sitting there playing on his iPad. I can already see he's going to be a real prize someday *eyeroll*
Same here, I moved out at 17. Never looked back.
Its a different world now.
Maybe there, but not here. My DD bought her first house at 22. She's on her second house (upgraded sine she now has 2 kids) at 26. Probably 90% of her friends own their houses...
Which is yet another example of the fact that you DON'T know how many people live.
DS2 bought his first house at 19. It's a nice starter house, but he'll have to keep it because a new house is not in his budget.
flan
I KNOW how people live...I just choose not to live that way.
Your son could probably come here and get twice the house for half the price. He chooses not to. That' fine with me, but when people beyoch and moan about not having a job or not being able to afford a house, I give them a link to our classifieds that have literally thousands of job openings. And you an get a 1 BR apt just outside of Nashville for about $500 a month.
It's all about priorities...
I think I just decided where I'll live after I retire Great music & cheap housing. I'll just have to remember not to order tea with my meals. You Southern folks ruin a good crisp glass of tea with all that sugar!
Come on!!!!!! I would love to have you! And you can order tea, you just have to specify UNSWEET tea. If not, you are definitely getting sweet tea...:)

Well I don't see retirement anywhere in my near future! But it seems like a very pleasant place to live & cheap housing is a plus.

apple · Guru

Wait a minute, are you talking about Texas Tea, I like that stuff. :)

Ohfour · Hooker

apple wrote:
Wait a minute, are you talking about Texas Tea, I like that stuff. :)

Tennessee Tea is better... biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin

Fort Worth Mom · Mod/Penguin lover/Princess!

We didn't mind that Conor skipped the "renting an apartment" stage.

And lived with us, until he saved enough to buy a home.

He was going to school, and working full time. We hardly ever saw him.

He wasn't a pain in the butt.

He appreciated, everything we did for him.

So, he lived with us until he was 28.

It was okay with us. smile

Martha can have her opinion.

Not that I agree with it.

Every situation, is different.

Different strokes, for different folks. smile

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

Fort Worth Mom wrote:
We didn't mind that Conor skipped the "renting an apartment" stage.
And lived with us, until he saved enough to buy a home.
He was going to school, and working full time. We hardly ever saw him.
He wasn't a pain in the butt.
He appreciated, everything we did for him.
So, he lived with us until he was 28.
It was okay with us.
Martha can have her opinion.
Not that I agree with it.
Every situation, is different.
Different strokes, for different folks.

It is different for each family. I'm sure you would feel differently if he sat around in his underwear playing video games all day & smoking pot. You taught him to be responsible & now he & his lovely new bride have a beautiful house. My brother did the same thing. He was living at home & started his business from my parents garage. The he bought his first house at around the same age, not sure of exact age but late 20s.

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