TOTALLY GEEKED!

They just broke in on The Golf with a special report.

Three dead, seven wounded.

This is terrible.

And people are more worried about where Pense dines.

Mellow Momma wrote:

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FNW wrote:

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And people are more worried about where Pense dines.

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 Nope. Some of us can hold lots of thoughts in our head at the same time! It's really neat. We can be concerned about the country, the officers and their families, the dead citizens some officers are gunning down, what we are having for dinner, where we left our car keys, and taking the dog for a walk...all at once!! It's amazing!!

 

So sick of people acting like only one thing in the world can matter at a time. 

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 Nice comment for such a sad thread. 

The point of bringing up Pense is, it isnt important where he eats.

THIS is what's important.

Fixing our country.

It was an appropriate observation.

PENCE

PENCE

PENCE

And yet the Pence aka Pense thread got more replies than this one.

It's not hard to do, since there seems to be something horrific every couple of days. Personally, all these killings leave me speechless. And worried.

I'm not going to say it is the left or right or even the media to blame.

It's on ALL of our law makers, us, as voters and parents.

ALL of us are going to have to say enough and take responsibility for ourselves. Our country.

Mellow Momma wrote:

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This shooter was a former Marine and the one who shot the cops in Dallas was former military as well. So sad. We need to do a MUCH better job of getting our vets mental health care.

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 You hit the nail on the head.

We train men to KILL and then seem surprised when they do a good job...

flan

Ohfour wrote:

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And yet, there is another qualifier. But no one will talk about that...ammi right?

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 Of course you are right.  Even the military hires deranged people because deranged people are usually good at giving the correct answer on a test hiding their demons. ETA to add that there are people out their that just want to be evil or are evil.

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This month's shooting deaths of police in Baton Rouge and Dallas by former service members who saw combat in Iraq and Afghanistan comes as the Army is trying to better understand why up to 40% of troops return from war struggling with anger and aggression.

Police say rage may have driven Gavin Long, 29, who served five years in the Marine Corps, to kill three police Sunday in Baton Rouge and Micah Xavier Johnson, 25, a former Army reservist, to fatally shoot five officers in Dallas in early July.

Whether there is a link between their military service and the shootings is unknown. And military researchers have been studying the issue of anger for almost a decade.

Of troops surveyed after returning from war or while in the war zone, 14% to 40% report signs of anger, such as kicking, smashing or throwing things, or threatening someone with physical violence. Anywhere from 4% to 18% were getting into fights.

Long, who was deployed to Iraq for eight months in 2008 and rose to the rank of sergeant, had previously posted a video on the Internet, describing protests against police as futile. He said he wanted to follow in the footsteps of Nat Turner, who led a slave revolt in 1831, and Malcolm X, a black Muslim civil rights leader during the 1950s and early '60s.

The Kansas City resident said in a recent YouTube video the only way fighting oppression and bullies has been successful historically is "through bloodshed."

Micah Xavier Johnson, an African American and former Army reservist who served seven months in Afghanistan, told a negotiator during an hours-long standoff with law enforcement in Dallas that he was angry over recent police shootings of black people and wanted to kill white officers. When negotiations failed, police used a robot carrying an explosive device to kill Johnson.

A Texas native, Johnson joined the Army Reserve in 2009 where he served as a carpentry and masonry specialist and deployed to Afghanistan from November 2013 to July 2014.

During his time in Afghanistan, he was accused of harassing a female soldier and Johnson's deployment was cut short, his military lawyer, Bradford Glendening, told the Associated Press. Stephen Xenakis, a psychiatrist and retired Army brigadier general, said Johnson should have undergone a psychological evaluation following the sexual harassment charge. The Army has declined to release Johnson's medical records.

Johnson left with an honorable discharge in April 2015, according to his service records. His parents later told The Blaze their son seemed changed. His mother, Delphine Johnson, described him as a "hermit."

"The military was not what Micah thought it would be," she said. "He was very disappointed."

In recent years, the Walter Reed Army Institute of Research has drawn on its longtime collaboration with scientists at Tel Aviv University in Israel to explore whether this tendency toward anger and aggression can be reduced in soldiers after they come home.

"The end game is to be able to develop a targeted intervention to basically reduce the risk of anger and the expression of aggressive behaviors," said Phil Quartana, an Army research psychologist leading the effort.

"We're looking to figure out what role does anger and aggression play in how soldiers adjust over time and also who's at risk," said Amy Adler, an Army clinical research psychologist, who has co-authored many of the studies. "It's not that every soldier is equally at risk."

flan

Lawyerlady wrote:

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There isn't more violence in the world, really. There's just more immediate and available news coverage.

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 While I agree that the media does increase our knowledge of what happens. It seems to me that these mass shootings in the USA have increased substantially in the last few years.

Nobody ever heard of it 10 yeas ago and now it is practically weekly.

 

lilyofcourse wrote:

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apple wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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There isn't more violence in the world, really. There's just more immediate and available news coverage.

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 While I agree that the media does increase our knowledge of what happens. It seems to me that these mass shootings in the USA have increased substantially in the last few years.

Nobody ever heard of it 10 yeas ago and now it is practically weekly.

 

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 You say "in the USA".

But it's all over the world, not just America. 

And other tools are used for mass killings.

This isn't an American phenomenon. 

It's global.

 

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 I say the USA because the USA has had a dramatic increase in "mass shootings" in the last few years. 

 

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So has France.

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 Not to the same degree. But whatever.... if you don't want to believe it don't.

http://qz.com/635940/five-people-were-killed-in-suburban-pittsburgh-in-americas-61st-mass-shooting-of-the-year/

apple wrote:

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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apple wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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There isn't more violence in the world, really. There's just more immediate and available news coverage.

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 While I agree that the media does increase our knowledge of what happens. It seems to me that these mass shootings in the USA have increased substantially in the last few years.

Nobody ever heard of it 10 yeas ago and now it is practically weekly.

 

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 You say "in the USA".

But it's all over the world, not just America. 

And other tools are used for mass killings.

This isn't an American phenomenon. 

It's global.

 

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 I say the USA because the USA has had a dramatic increase in "mass shootings" in the last few years. 

 

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 So has France. 

And other places.

I think you like bashing America.

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apple wrote:

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So has France.

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 Not to the same degree. But whatever.... if you don't want to believe it don't.

http://qz.com/635940/five-people-were-killed-in-suburban-pittsburgh-in-americas-61st-mass-shooting-of-the-year/

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More people were killed in France than the US combined last year...

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 How many MASS SHOOTINGS were there in France?

How many MASS SHOOTINGS were there in America?

GO back as far as you want.

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apple wrote:

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Ohfour wrote:

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apple wrote:

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FNW wrote:

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So has France.

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 Not to the same degree. But whatever.... if you don't want to believe it don't.

http://qz.com/635940/five-people-were-killed-in-suburban-pittsburgh-in-americas-61st-mass-shooting-of-the-year/

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More people were killed in France than the US combined last year...

-- Edited by Ohfour on Wednesday 20th of July 2016 03:46:54 PM

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 How many MASS SHOOTINGS were there in France?

How many MASS SHOOTINGS were there in America?

GO back as far as you want.

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I care more about how many lives were lost than the number of shootings.   

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 Ummm ya okay....

apple wrote:

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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apple wrote:

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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apple wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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There isn't more violence in the world, really. There's just more immediate and available news coverage.

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 While I agree that the media does increase our knowledge of what happens. It seems to me that these mass shootings in the USA have increased substantially in the last few years.

Nobody ever heard of it 10 yeas ago and now it is practically weekly.

 

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 You say "in the USA".

But it's all over the world, not just America. 

And other tools are used for mass killings.

This isn't an American phenomenon. 

It's global.

 

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 I say the USA because the USA has had a dramatic increase in "mass shootings" in the last few years. 

 

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 So has France. 

And other places.

I think you like bashing America.

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 I think you like jumping to conclusions and ignoring the facts.

Yup I live right next to the USA go figure that I might hear about all the mass shootings. Sorry if that fact bothers you. 

MASS SHOOTINGS, look it up and see what country is mentioned.

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 You like trying to change the subject.

You said the mass shootings have increased, but they've increased world wide.

 

And there it is.

Run out of points and moved on to insults.

apple wrote:

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Ohfour wrote:

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apple wrote:

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So has France.

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 Not to the same degree. But whatever.... if you don't want to believe it don't.

http://qz.com/635940/five-people-were-killed-in-suburban-pittsburgh-in-americas-61st-mass-shooting-of-the-year/

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More people were killed in France than the US combined last year...

-- Edited by Ohfour on Wednesday 20th of July 2016 03:46:54 PM

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 How many MASS SHOOTINGS were there in France?

How many MASS SHOOTINGS were there in America?

GO back as far as you want.

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 why are you focused on mass shootings?  The bombings are killing hundreds now.

apple wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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There isn't more violence in the world, really. There's just more immediate and available news coverage.

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 While I agree that the media does increase our knowledge of what happens. It seems to me that these mass shootings in the USA have increased substantially in the last few years.

Nobody ever heard of it 10 yeas ago and now it is practically weekly.

 

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 Here, this is what I said and certain posters got all defensive and started playing the deflect deflect deny deny game.

lilyofcourse wrote:

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You said they are increasingly in the USA.

Fact is, they are increasingly world wide.

That isn't denying nor deflecting.

That's stating a fact.

If there is zero mass shootings and then there is a mass shooting, that is a 100% increase in mass shootings.

You want to focus on America because you like to bash our Constitutional rights.

You want to villainize gun owners in America.

But your blinders won't let you see the other countries have the same problems and some with stricter gun control.

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 So they are not increasing in the USA... or do you have to have a disclaimer before you can acknowledge that fact? a m a z i n g!

Ya but... Ya but... jeeeze.

Show me where I have denied an increase in the US.

Is our perception of rising rates of mass shootings really a product of our broader fear of random crime? (Photo: Nadeen Nakib for Yahoo Health/iStock)

Sandy Hook. Aurora. Virginia Tech. Fort Hood. Charleston. Umpqua Community College in Oregon.

President Obama said that mass shootings have become “routine.” It certainly seems that way. When a tragic news report about an active shooter pops up, you likely feel sad — but not surprised. From the shooting of two WDBJ journalists in August to the incident at Umpqua in early October, perpetrators are citing previous shootings as inspiration or motivation for their crimes. 

These events are tragedies. The incidents are frightening. 

And it feels like they’re on the rise.

However, criminologists, forensic psychologists, and other experts are not in agreement on that point. In recent months, there’s been a flurry of discussion about whether mass shootings are actually growing more common than in past decades, or whether we justthink they are. 

Prominent criminologist James Alan Fox called the Umpqua incident “tragic” but not a trend. “The Oregon shooting had countless news outlets flooding the airwaves and the Internet with questionable statistics on the incidence of mass shootings along with sidebar listings of the deadliest shooting sprees in U.S. history,” he wrote in USA Today. “In the usual rush to offer up some breaking information, news reports were embellished with unconfirmed details about the massacre and the assailant that did little but fuel a contagion of fear.”

Fox highlighted a recent report by the Congressional Research Service, which indicates the rise in mass shootings is negligible, if it exists at all. “I certainly don’t mean to minimize the suffering of the Oregon victims and their families,” Fox wrote in his column, “but the shooting spree is not a reflection of more deadly times.” 

In fact, the FBI just released a report in late September noting that violent crime in the United States is down — which feels impossible amid news reports like Charleston and Oregon. Right now, it’s so easy to feel like we’re living in a world where it’s not safe to walk into a crowded building.

Defining ‘Mass Shooting’ 

There is no standard definition for what we’ve come to know as a “mass shooting,” which makes it hard to track and report numbers. Some liken the concept to mass murder, where four or more people are killed in a single episode. This would mean that, in a mass shooting, “four or more people are shot” in a single incident (see the oft-cited Mass Shooting Tracker). 

But that is not the only way we’ve tried to track mass shootings. The 2014 FBI report on the prevalence of “active shooter incidents” in the United States was frequently cited as evidence of a rise, although the Bureau cautioned against it. The active-shooter report is not an accurate assessment of mass shooting prevalence, says Chris Ferguson, PhD, an associate professor and the chairman of psychology at Stetson University in Florida, and an expert on media, violent crimes and forensic psychology. 

First, the term “active shooter incident” is not synonymous with “mass shooting,” Ferguson tells Yahoo Health. “It’s a bit of an ‘apples to oranges’ comparison, since ‘active shooter’ and ‘mass-homicide perpetrator’ aren’t exactly the same thing, despite the fact that there may be some overlap. An active shooter may not actually hit anyone.”

The FBI report also relied fairly heavily on newspaper data and other “open sources” of information. “If you just rely on newspaper headlines, this methodology only really gets at how much newspapers pay attention to a crime, not how much it actually happens,” says Ferguson.

Criminologist Grant Duwe, PhD, the director of research and evaluation at the Minnesota Department of Corrections and author of Mass Murder in the United States: A History, has analyzed data on more than 1,300 mass shootings and mass murders since 1900. He wrote a piece about the actual prevalence of mass public shootings for Reason last year, where he points out the flaws in recent data.

To compile his stats, Duwe used resources like the FBI’s Supplementary Homicide Reports, not the news media; he says analyses using primarily headlines (like this one from Mother Jones) have missed up to 40 percent of older mass public shootings, leading to inflated numbers in more recent years.