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Threatened coach leaves kids in the gym

August 8, 2016 By Amy Dickinson   askamy@tribune.com

DEAR AMY: I am a high school teacher and fifth-grade basketball coach. I was recently coaching a fifth-grade practice when a disgruntled parent walked into the gym with 10 minutes left to go and started harassing me verbally. He got into my face, and started yelling at me with foul language. The parent was a rather large individual, and I did not want to start a physical altercation, so I handed him the ball and walked away. I did not want to try and negotiate with him because I didn’t know how he would react. The children’s safety was not at stake, but I felt mine was. I left the gym and sat in my truck because I didn’t have access to a phone inside the gymnasium. There were about five or 10 parents and children who were on the sidelines who witnessed the event. Afterward, the parents told me that the disgruntled parent just yelled at the kids to go home. No one was hurt. The school superintendent charged me with leaving the kids unsupervised for a period of 10 minutes. I felt I handled the situation best by walking away, keeping my distance from the parent, and not trying to negotiate. Do you feel that this is how most reasonable people would have reacted? Does the school have the right to charge me with leaving the children unattended for 10 minutes, when my own personal safety was at stake?

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DEAR COACH: I am very sorry this happened to you. I do happen to agree with the school’s reprimand, however.

 

If there were a different sort of episode that frightened you (a lightning storm, power outage, etc.), would you have left these fifth-graders unsupervised (by school personnel) in the gym? Obviously not.

You should have asked a witnessing parent to please call school security (or the police) while you tried to deal with the parent.



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Dude - you can't leave your charges. The school was right.

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Or he could have told the kids practice was over a few minutes early before walking out. I'm not sure he did anything egregious by leaving them alone with other parents but it is probably a school policy he did not follow by leaving.

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My problem is that the kids could've been harmed by the belligerent parent.

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Coward.

You send the kids to the locker room, instruct another adult to call 911 and let the crazy guy yell all he wants till the police get there.

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You don't leave the kids. I coach 5th/6th grade. If some belligerent parent came at me, i would tell him that we are not going to do this here in front of the children and if he would like to meet with me, i would be happy to have a meeting during school hours in conjunction with the Athletic Director. And, I would say this is OVER and tell him to leave because I am in the process of coaching a practice.

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First of all, i do not allow parents into the gym during my practices. Our practices are closed to parents.

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

First of all, i do not allow parents into the gym during my practices. Our practices are closed to parents.


They should be.  All those parents of our future all stars, gold medalists and pros must be stopped! 



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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

You don't leave the kids. I coach 5th/6th grade. If some belligerent parent came at me, i would tell him that we are not going to do this here in front of the children and if he would like to meet with me, i would be happy to have a meeting during school hours in conjunction with the Athletic Director. And, I would say this is OVER and tell him to leave because I am in the process of coaching a practice.


 That is EXACTLY how it should have been handled. 



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I think it would have escalted if he had said anything about a later meeting.

But the kids should have been removed.



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I think it would have escalted if he had said anything about a later meeting.

But the kids should have been removed.


 Well, someone isn't going to come and bully me DURING a practice.  If it escalated i would have asked a parent or one of the kids for a phone and immediately called 911.



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No.

Where did I say be bullied?


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You are disagreeing with suggesting a later meeting. What do you suggest?

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I already gave my suggestion.

I know from dealing with all manner of whackadoo that you don't try to calm an out of control person down by dismissing them.

And your suggestion would encite him further.

You send the kids to the locker room, instruct another adult to call 911 and then let them yell till the police get there.



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But you dang sure don't walk out, leaving kids with the crazy person.



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I am an adult as well Lilly. I know how to deal with people. I have dealt with irate people.

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Geez, wearing your feelings on your sleeve, I see.

I said nothing about your not being an adult.

You want to argue with someone, well I'm not it.



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lilyofcourse wrote:

I already gave my suggestion.

I know from dealing with all manner of whackadoo that you don't try to calm an out of control person down by dismissing them.

And your suggestion would encite him further.

You send the kids to the locker room, instruct another adult to call 911 and then let them yell till the police get there.


 Actually, if you are the adult in charge at a school practice where a parent is trying to interrupt practice and cause a problem, you absolutely DO tell them to leave.



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Yes. But before or after you remove the kids from the situation?

And once you tell them to leave, and they dont, do you attempt to reason with them or placate them?

Most of the time, when you say something about making an appointment, they're just going to get more irate because, in their mind, you are dismissing them.

So.

You say "one minute let me dismiss the kids" then, once the kids are gone, you try to take control.

"What's on your mind?"

If they continue to yell, you instruct another adult to call the police.

Then you wait.

Hey, I'm no stranger to confrontation. 

But most of the time, when someone is complaining, they just want to know you are listening. 

What this coach did was cowardly and he left the kids in the gym with a hostile.

He didn't gain control of the situation. 

He escaped and left kids to deal with it.



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lilyofcourse wrote:

Geez, wearing your feelings on your sleeve, I see.

I said nothing about your not being an adult.

You want to argue with someone, well I'm not it.


My feelings?  What in the world are u talking,about?



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Gee, that's a familiar phrase.



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lilyofcourse wrote:

Yes. But before or after you remove the kids from the situation?

And once you tell them to leave, and they dont, do you attempt to reason with them or placate them?

Most of the time, when you say something about making an appointment, they're just going to get more irate because, in their mind, you are dismissing them.

So.

You say "one minute let me dismiss the kids" then, once the kids are gone, you try to take control.

"What's on your mind?"

If they continue to yell, you instruct another adult to call the police.

Then you wait.

Hey, I'm no stranger to confrontation. 

But most of the time, when someone is complaining, they just want to know you are listening. 

What this coach did was cowardly and he left the kids in the gym with a hostile.

He didn't gain control of the situation. 

He escaped and left kids to deal with it.


 But you are obviously a stranger to being IN CHARGE OF and RESPONSIBLE FOR a room full of kids.  As the adult - you take charge of the situation, you don't run from it and abandon the kids to a belligerent idiot.



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Lawyerlady wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:

Yes. But before or after you remove the kids from the situation?

And once you tell them to leave, and they dont, do you attempt to reason with them or placate them?

Most of the time, when you say something about making an appointment, they're just going to get more irate because, in their mind, you are dismissing them.

So.

You say "one minute let me dismiss the kids" then, once the kids are gone, you try to take control.

"What's on your mind?"

If they continue to yell, you instruct another adult to call the police.

Then you wait.

Hey, I'm no stranger to confrontation. 

But most of the time, when someone is complaining, they just want to know you are listening. 

What this coach did was cowardly and he left the kids in the gym with a hostile.

He didn't gain control of the situation. 

He escaped and left kids to deal with it.


 But you are obviously a stranger to being IN CHARGE OF and RESPONSIBLE FOR a room full of kids.  As the adult - you take charge of the situation, you don't run from it and abandon the kids to a belligerent idiot.


 Ain't that what I said? 

And yes, I have been responsible for classes and groups of kids.

SS school teacher, 3-4 yr olds.

Cheerleading coach, 2 years.

Been on more field trips than anyone I know.

 



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As have I and others here.   



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I would have removed the children as well, IF I could not get a hold of a phone and called 9-1-1 or at the very least, school security. There must be procedures in place for these situations, since they appear to be common, or at least, not unusual. I'm not sure telling this individual to meet with me later would do any good. Sometimes people hear us but refuse to listen and accept. It's like trying to reason with a drunk person. You can't. But walking out and leaving the kids with that crazy out of control person, not good, IMO.

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lilyofcourse wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:

Yes. But before or after you remove the kids from the situation?

And once you tell them to leave, and they dont, do you attempt to reason with them or placate them?

Most of the time, when you say something about making an appointment, they're just going to get more irate because, in their mind, you are dismissing them.

So.

You say "one minute let me dismiss the kids" then, once the kids are gone, you try to take control.

"What's on your mind?"

If they continue to yell, you instruct another adult to call the police.

Then you wait.

Hey, I'm no stranger to confrontation. 

But most of the time, when someone is complaining, they just want to know you are listening. 

What this coach did was cowardly and he left the kids in the gym with a hostile.

He didn't gain control of the situation. 

He escaped and left kids to deal with it.


 But you are obviously a stranger to being IN CHARGE OF and RESPONSIBLE FOR a room full of kids.  As the adult - you take charge of the situation, you don't run from it and abandon the kids to a belligerent idiot.


 Ain't that what I said? 

And yes, I have been responsible for classes and groups of kids.

SS school teacher, 3-4 yr olds.

Cheerleading coach, 2 years.

Been on more field trips than anyone I know.

 


 What you have said is shooting down everything else others have said, and not providing anything productive as a solution. 



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Rule #1 of course, is that you don't leave kids unattended.

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Lawyerlady wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:

Yes. But before or after you remove the kids from the situation?

And once you tell them to leave, and they dont, do you attempt to reason with them or placate them?

Most of the time, when you say something about making an appointment, they're just going to get more irate because, in their mind, you are dismissing them.

So.

You say "one minute let me dismiss the kids" then, once the kids are gone, you try to take control.

"What's on your mind?"

If they continue to yell, you instruct another adult to call the police.

Then you wait.

Hey, I'm no stranger to confrontation. 

But most of the time, when someone is complaining, they just want to know you are listening. 

What this coach did was cowardly and he left the kids in the gym with a hostile.

He didn't gain control of the situation. 

He escaped and left kids to deal with it.


 But you are obviously a stranger to being IN CHARGE OF and RESPONSIBLE FOR a room full of kids.  As the adult - you take charge of the situation, you don't run from it and abandon the kids to a belligerent idiot.


 Ain't that what I said? 

And yes, I have been responsible for classes and groups of kids.

SS school teacher, 3-4 yr olds.

Cheerleading coach, 2 years.

Been on more field trips than anyone I know.

 


 What you have said is shooting down everything else others have said, and not providing anything productive as a solution. 


 You have GOT to be kidding me.

Discussion is shooting others down?

I've give options, actual, viable solutions.

Whatever.

Like LGS, you just want to argue.

So you two can do that.

 



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