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Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

RE: Muslim boy forced to falsely admit terrorist act

Tinydancer · Guru

Neither do you. It seems everyone thinks they know but they're only seeing it from their side of the debate.

eta this is in reference to LGS post

-- Edited by Tinydancer on Wednesday 17th of August 2016 10:50:51 AM

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
No the first Act is to call the Police and ensure the safety of the other students.

You are obviously ignoring all the relevant facts due to your prejudices.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

If they did something wrong then yes they should be held accountable. But until the facts are presented you dont know.

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
If they did something wrong then yes they should be held accountable. But until the facts are presented you dont know.

I know this was a special needs student from the special education department, who they were fully aware had language issues. And I know the interrogation didn't happen until 24 hours after he said what he said - more than enough time to contact his parents.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Mark my words - this issue will be settled, and with a requirement that they don't talk about it. No way the school wants this to go to trial.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

And if any of you think for a second that some blond haired, blue eyed Anglo special needs kid forced to say he was a terrorist by bullies would be treated the same way - you are either incredibly stupid or lying to yourself.

FNW · Guru

Of course he wouldn't have. How many blond haired, blue eyed Anglos are fighting for ISIS. That's a ridiculous comparison. Of course he was targeted because he was Muslim. Because Muslims are killing us.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

FNW wrote:
Of course he wouldn't have. How many blond haired, blue eyed Anglos are fighting for ISIS. That's a ridiculous comparison. Of course he was targeted because he was Muslim. Because Muslims are killing us.

And that is discrimination. C'mon - you are a lawyer. You know better.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

And in the U.S., schools are more likely the be attacked by the blond, blue-eyed Anglo.

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

A special needs child bullied & then interrogated without his parents knowledge......that is so many shades of wrong. I don't think that it is worthy of $25 Mill but the school needs to be held responsible. I don't for one second see how the school officials could believe this child was a terrorist & ISIS member. Unless of course there is more to it & the parents are outspoken in the community & it was projected onto the child. That is complete conjecture on my part.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
Mark my words - this issue will be settled, and with a requirement that they don't talk about it. No way the school wants this to go to trial.

Almost everything is settled because schools dont have unlimited resources to fight lawsuits.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

I watched a video interviewing this family. No way.

And according to the Complaint, when this happened - the mom was 6 months pregnant with a high risk pregnancy, and didn't know where her son was for two hours after school, and immediately consented to their home being searched when the police asked.

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Mark my words - this issue will be settled, and with a requirement that they don't talk about it. No way the school wants this to go to trial.

Almost everything is settled because schools dont have unlimited resources to fight lawsuits.

Then they should be more careful about what they do.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Lots of things are settled that have nothing to do with any wrongdoing.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Lots of things are settled that have nothing to do with any wrongdoing.

And lots of them do.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Ok. So what?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

I'm just saying - you are not going to get a trial to determine those facts for you. You are going to have to base it on what you get. And right now - what you gets says the school screwed up big time.

-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Wednesday 17th of August 2016 11:31:38 AM

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Has the judgment been rendered?

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Oh and let's bankrupt the local school and destroy the whole community. No problem.

Ohfour · Hooker

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Has the judgment been rendered?

If they settle, like you said they would, there would be no judgment...

And if they do indeed settle, they are guilty as hell.

Ohfour · Hooker

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Oh and let's bankrupt the local school and destroy the whole community. No problem.

They need to be held accountable. Money talks, bullschitt walks...

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Oh and let's bankrupt the local school and destroy the whole community. No problem.

The school brought all of it on themselves.

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

Lawyerlady wrote:
I watched a video interviewing this family. No way.

And according to the Complaint, when this happened - the mom was 6 months pregnant with a high risk pregnancy, and didn't know where her son was for two hours after school, and immediately consented to their home being searched when the police asked.

Thanks. I was trying to see some plausible reason for the school administration's actions. I guess there is none.

FNW · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
FNW wrote:
Of course he wouldn't have. How many blond haired, blue eyed Anglos are fighting for ISIS. That's a ridiculous comparison. Of course he was targeted because he was Muslim. Because Muslims are killing us.
And that is discrimination. C'mon - you are a lawyer. You know better.

No, it's profiling.

Tinydancer · Guru

He was profiled then discriminated against.

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Has the judgment been rendered?

Is this rhetorical? Or did you not actually read the article? The complaint was just filed on Monday.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

FNW wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
FNW wrote:
Of course he wouldn't have. How many blond haired, blue eyed Anglos are fighting for ISIS. That's a ridiculous comparison. Of course he was targeted because he was Muslim. Because Muslims are killing us.
And that is discrimination. C'mon - you are a lawyer. You know better.
No, it's profiling.

And as I stated above, major school violence is more likely to be perpetrated by white males - not Muslims.

Tangerine · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Oh and let's bankrupt the local school and destroy the whole community. No problem.

That's a bit overdramatic, don't you think?

The school shouldn't be keeping a special needs student after class to interrogate him without consent from his parents and not even informing them of his whereabouts. That is so incredibly wrong.

If the school really felt this was an dangerous situation they should have contacted the police and the parents immediately.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

$25M is the entire budget of many schools.
.

Ohfour · Hooker

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
$25M is the entire budget of many schools.
.

Then they should be a bit more careful about what they do. Just sayin...

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

If the Administration was wrong then fire them. But hitting schools with multi million dollar lawsuits isnt going to serve anyone.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
$25M is the entire budget of many schools.
.

It is common practice to sue for the maximum, knowing any verdict amount will be lower.

Of course - if everything they say is true, they deserve to win a lot.

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Ohfour wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
$25M is the entire budget of many schools.
.
Then they should be a bit more careful about what they do. Just sayin...

It just warms the ****les of my heart when we agree on stuff like this. smile

Ohfour · Hooker

Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
$25M is the entire budget of many schools.
.
Then they should be a bit more careful about what they do. Just sayin...
It just warms the ****les of my heart when we agree on stuff like this.

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just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
If the Administration was wrong then fire them. But hitting schools with multi million dollar lawsuits isnt going to serve anyone.

It will serve as a lesson to other administrations to keep their heads out of their asses.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Or they will just ignore any and all threats.

Ohfour · Hooker

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Or they will just ignore any and all threats.

Then they will get sued again if something happens. These are adults. They know how to act. You don't have to go to the end of each extreme. There is a right way to act.

Tinydancer · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
No the first Act is to call the Police and ensure the safety of the other students.

Except they didn't do that.

FNW · Guru

The only school conduct I see a problem with was making him sign the statement. Calling him in to the office, they were under a duty to. Searching his locker? Of course they were right to do so, if they received information he was going to bomb the school. I do not feel there is reasonable expectation of privacy in public lockers.

As for the other "facts", i.e., allegations made by the plaintiffs, they claim they were not called. But they knew about it, so they were obviously called at some point. "When" is in dispute, and I believe they should have been called was soon as they received information that the student said he would blow up the school. The suspension is also in dispute. Mom says it was for a week, papers say a month. The suspension was most likely done to give police time to investigate and ensure the school was safe. Was a week reasonable? I don't have enough facts to render an opinion.

I do not see any discrimination based on his disability. Perhaps "failure to accommodate", because he was treated as someone without a disability? But when alleging discrimination, better to throw it all against the wall to see what sticks.

As for being discriminated against because of his race, etc., perhaps. But the ones who really discriminated against the student based on his race, religion, etc., were the students who bullied him. The school was told the student admitted he was a member of ISIS and intended to bomb the school. The school acted on the information they received. If he had been a blue eyed anglo they would have done the same thing. Because as LL pointed out, more school violence occurs with white males. But had he been a blue eyed anglo, the STUDENTS would not have bullied him into admitting he was a member of ISIS. I'm not sure how the bullies' discriminatory intent can be transferred to the school. Vicarious liability would be quite a stretch I think.

As for his damages, it's possible, but I would need to know more about the parents loyalty to Islam and Sharia Law before I could make an assumption. And I don't think they are suffering $25M worth of distress even if they renounced their faith.

Settling doesn't mean guilt. It means it's faster than dragging this out and cheaper than the legal fees. It's a business decision.

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FNW wrote:
The only school conduct I see a problem with was making him sign the statement. Calling him in to the office, they were under a duty to. Searching his locker? Of course they were right to do so, if they received information he was going to bomb the school. I do not feel there is reasonable expectation of privacy in public lockers.

As for the other "facts", i.e., allegations made by the plaintiffs, they claim they were not called. But they knew about it, so they were obviously called at some point. "When" is in dispute, and I believe they should have been called was soon as they received information that the student said he would blow up the school. The suspension is also in dispute. Mom says it was for a week, papers say a month. The suspension was most likely done to give police time to investigate and ensure the school was safe. Was a week reasonable? I don't have enough facts to render an opinion.

I do not see any discrimination based on his disability. Perhaps "failure to accommodate", because he was treated as someone without a disability? But when alleging discrimination, better to throw it all against the wall to see what sticks.

As for being discriminated against because of his race, etc., perhaps. But the ones who really discriminated against the student based on his race, religion, etc., were the students who bullied him. The school was told the student admitted he was a member of ISIS and intended to bomb the school. The school acted on the information they received. If he had been a blue eyed anglo they would have done the same thing. Because as LL pointed out, more school violence occurs with white males. But had he been a blue eyed anglo, the STUDENTS would not have bullied him into admitting he was a member of ISIS. I'm not sure how the bullies' discriminatory intent can be transferred to the school. Vicarious liability would be quite a stretch I think.

As for his damages, it's possible, but I would need to know more about the parents loyalty to Islam and Sharia Law before I could make an assumption. And I don't think they are suffering $25M worth of distress even if they renounced their faith.

Settling doesn't mean guilt. It means it's faster than dragging this out and cheaper than the legal fees. It's a business decision.

No. They would not have.

And the rest of your comments show you haven't paid attention to the facts posted in the article, or by me, or anywhere else. Some of your statements flat out are not said anywhere - as an example - he never told the other students he was a member of ISIS and no where anywhere does it said he did.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

To the who gets called first, the police are called first.

That's just fact.

No matter color of skin or needs.

I've seen it.

And if a threat is made, doesn't matter by whom or how, it is taken seriously and precautions are taken, immediately.

I want to know a few things,

1. Once the "threat" was made, was the building put on lock down?

2. If this child is as disabled as is stated, where is his advocate? Advocates, or aid, are not to leave the special needs child. They are with them every second.

3. Why would any mother sit for 2 hours after school waiting for a special needs child to come out? Why didn't she call the school or go inside after 20 or 30 minutes?

There are some things in this story that leave questions. Particularly since he is a special needs.

FNW · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
FNW wrote:
The only school conduct I see a problem with was making him sign the statement. Calling him in to the office, they were under a duty to. Searching his locker? Of course they were right to do so, if they received information he was going to bomb the school. I do not feel there is reasonable expectation of privacy in public lockers.

As for the other "facts", i.e., allegations made by the plaintiffs, they claim they were not called. But they knew about it, so they were obviously called at some point. "When" is in dispute, and I believe they should have been called was soon as they received information that the student said he would blow up the school. The suspension is also in dispute. Mom says it was for a week, papers say a month. The suspension was most likely done to give police time to investigate and ensure the school was safe. Was a week reasonable? I don't have enough facts to render an opinion.

I do not see any discrimination based on his disability. Perhaps "failure to accommodate", because he was treated as someone without a disability? But when alleging discrimination, better to throw it all against the wall to see what sticks.

As for being discriminated against because of his race, etc., perhaps. But the ones who really discriminated against the student based on his race, religion, etc., were the students who bullied him. The school was told the student admitted he was a member of ISIS and intended to bomb the school. The school acted on the information they received. If he had been a blue eyed anglo they would have done the same thing. Because as LL pointed out, more school violence occurs with white males. But had he been a blue eyed anglo, the STUDENTS would not have bullied him into admitting he was a member of ISIS. I'm not sure how the bullies' discriminatory intent can be transferred to the school. Vicarious liability would be quite a stretch I think.

As for his damages, it's possible, but I would need to know more about the parents loyalty to Islam and Sharia Law before I could make an assumption. And I don't think they are suffering $25M worth of distress even if they renounced their faith.

Settling doesn't mean guilt. It means it's faster than dragging this out and cheaper than the legal fees. It's a business decision.
No. They would not have.

And the rest of your comments show you haven't paid attention to the facts posted in the article, or by me, or anywhere else. Some of your statements flat out are not said anywhere - as an example - he never told the other students he was a member of ISIS and no where anywhere does it said he did.

Actually, the article said the parents claimed he was forced to admit he was a member of ISIS (See below). And I based all of my comments on the original article, as posted by you. No, I'm not basing it on any "facts" given by you, only on the "facts" stated in the article.

Whether he would have been searched, etc., had he been a blue eyed anglo remains with the trier of fact. Not with you, or with me. Or with anyone else who has not been presented with ALL of the evidence.

From the original article:

"The family of Nashwan Uppal, a Pakistani special-needs student from Islip Terrace, filed the suit Monday in U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of New York in Central Islip, claiming school officials forced him to confess, under extreme duress, to a terrorist act and crimes he did not commit, and “that he was a member of ISIS, a vile and infamous terrorist organization.” School officials also ignored repeated and severe incidents of bullying against Nashwan from older students, the court papers stated."

FNW · Guru

And I had those same questions, Lily, with regard to his "special needs." Why wasn't his advocate with him? And why on earth did Mom sit for 2 hours? If my boys are 15 minutes late and I haven't been notified of the cause for delay, I'm not sitting on my arse.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

And when was the house searched? Did it say?

Ohfour · Hooker

FNW wrote:
And I had those same questions, Lily, with regard to his "special needs." Why wasn't his advocate with him? And why on earth did Mom sit for 2 hours? If my boys are 15 minutes late and I haven't been notified of the cause for delay, I'm not sitting on my arse.

Our special needs kids don't get advocates. Unless they are really REALLY special needs.

And we don't know that she didn't try to get into the school. A lot of schools are on lockdown ALL the time. You have to be buzzed in. If this happened after school and the office staff had gone home, then there would have been no one to let her in...

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lilyofcourse wrote:
And when was the house searched? Did it say?

The Complaint does. And again - that's an easily verified fact, so not something people are going to lie about in a legal document.

The mother was outside the school anxiously waiting for her son, repeatedly trying to call and text her son. The complaint says that Nashwan asked the principal if he could answer his mother's calls and texts and was denied the request. Finally, after the police questioned Nashwan, the principal let him answer his mother and tell her to come to the principal's office.

They went to the police station from there, and their home was searched after that on the same day with her consent. They found nothing.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Ohfour wrote:
FNW wrote:
And I had those same questions, Lily, with regard to his "special needs." Why wasn't his advocate with him? And why on earth did Mom sit for 2 hours? If my boys are 15 minutes late and I haven't been notified of the cause for delay, I'm not sitting on my arse.
Our special needs kids don't get advocates. Unless they are really REALLY special needs.
And we don't know that she didn't try to get into the school. A lot of schools are on lockdown ALL the time. You have to be buzzed in. If this happened after school and the office staff had gone home, then there would have been no one to let her in...

And have you seen the size of the school? Our principal's office is not in an area parents can get to without being taken back there.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Ok.

Would you sit out side the school for two hours texting and calling?

No. You would go in and want to know where your kid is.

I'm not blaming anyone for anything.

There are questions that need to be answered.

Ohfour · Hooker

lilyofcourse wrote:
Ok.

Would you sit out side the school for two hours texting and calling?

No. You would go in and want to know where your kid is.

I'm not blaming anyone for anything.

There are questions that need to be answered.

You wouldn't if the doors were locked...