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Tennessee police force has a lot to answer for after arresting 10 elementary school students earlier this month. The officers handcuffed multiple children between the ages of 6 and 11 after an off-campus fight — but the kids weren't even involved in the scuffle. The Murfreesboro police actually charged them for failing to intervene. 

Apparently, a video of the fight caused the officials to issue arrest warrants for the young bystanders. Parents later revealed the official charge was "criminal responsibility for conduct of another," which according to state law is when a "person fails to make a reasonable effort to prevent" an offense. But asking grade school kids to get involved in a physical fight (and place themselves in harm's way) just goes against common sense.

 

 

"This is absolutely unjust, and this is scary," said Reverend James McCarroll, a local pastor. "We cannot sit by and allow this to happen to our kids." 

While the police chief has since apologized for the incident, there's been no indication that the charges will be dropped

 



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What?

Something is not right.

There is more to this.

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Yes and if they did intervene they would have been arrested for assault.

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I need more info. This doesn't make sense.

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I'm sure there is more to the story, I just question why a 6 year old should be arrested.

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Police chief promises review.

MURFREESBORO — More than 150 people called for action Sunday after parents said at least five students, ages 6 to 10, were handcuffed at Hobgood Elementary School on Friday.

The students were arrested, accused of not stopping a fight that happened earlier off-campus and later released from the juvenile center on Friday, said the Rev. James McCarroll, pastor of First Baptist Church on East Castle Street in Murfreesboro. The church hosted a community meeting Sunday afternoon about the incident. In addition to angry parents and supporters, Murfreesboro Police Chief Karl Durr and City Manager Rob Lyons were in the crowd.

"There are innocent kids that have been arrested that have been entered in a system they have no business in," said Zacchaeus Crawford, who said three of his children were handcuffed at the school.

"If something needs to be corrected, it will be," Lyons told the crowd."Out of this, we want to learn and make things better so they don't happen again," Durr said. Durr said the city's police department will review the situation, though he did not go into specifics in front of the standing-room-only crowd at the First Baptist Church fellowship hall.

Parents and community members sharply criticized the arrests of the students. They were taken into custody after they did not intervene in an incident that took place in their neighborhood, the parents said.

"This is nonsense, and it is nonsense in the fullest definition," Crawford said.

 

A video was taken of the incident and officers later obtained arrest warrants for students who did not break up the disturbance, McConnell said in an interview before the Sunday meeting. Information about who took the video and how the police obtained it were not made clear Sunday.

Director of Schools Linda Gilbert and a Murfreesboro City Schools spokesperson did not respond to a request for comment about the incident over the weekend.

Christopher Williams, the school safety and education officer at Hobgood on the day of the incident, said that the Hobgood administration and office staff "handled the situation as wonderfully and as good as they could have."

Williams, a First Baptist youth pastor who did not speak for the Murfreesboro Police Department, apologized for what happened and said he still gets emotional about the arrests as the father of a 9-year-old girl.

"I hope we're not setting a precedent where there's a fight and we send everyone and their mom to jail," he said.

Nationally, the number of cases where students were arrested for incidents on campus are plentiful.

One such case in Baltimore parallels the one in Murfreesboro, where four students under the age of 10 were arrested at school for an incident that occurred off campus.

In the 2012 case, Baltimore City police charged four elementary school students with aggravated assault after a fight and were arrested on the Morrell Park Elementary/Middle School campus, according to WBALTV 11.

The American Civil Liberties Union said they were outraged by actions of the officers involved, according to reports. The police department, however, defended their actions saying when there is an arrest that it’s their policy to arrest the individual, regardless of the age, according to Baltimore’s WJZ TV.

In Tennessee, the practices and policies for detaining a student are held at the local police level, according to Maggi Duncan, executive director of the Tennessee Association of Chiefs of Police.

In the surrounding area, the arrest of students by Metro Nashville Police officers on campus grounds for off-campus incidents doesn’t happen often and usually takes place at high schools, according to Joe Bass, Nashville schools spokesman

Arrests at any Metro Nashville Public School occurs usually when there’s been a student involved with a major crime. Arrests on school grounds are done in coordination with Metro Police, school resources officers and the school’s principal, Bass said.

He added parents are typically called, especially if it involves younger students.

At the meeting, Crawford told an almost entirely African-American audience that the incident added fuel to tension already present in the community.

Those who spoke at the meeting vowed to follow up on the police investigation. Murfreesboro School Board candidate David Settles said "hell is about to break loose" if the situation isn't handled correctly.

Durr said that he would begin speaking to officers about the incident on Monday.

"I'm here to learn and listen to the needs of this community," said Durr, who received applause after his initial remarks.

Near the end of the meeting, the Rev. Tolbert Randolph, pastor of Providence Baptist Church, asked why the charges against the children could not be dismissed.

"I'm asking in good faith for you to go to the arresting officers and tell them to drop it," Randolph told city officials.

Jason Gonzales contributed to this report. Reach Brian Wilson at 615-278-5165. Follow him on Twitter @brianwilson17.



-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Thursday 25th of August 2016 10:25:40 AM

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I think the problem is because someone stood there taking a video of the fight instead of calling for help or trying to do something.

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What?

Something is not right.

There is more to this.


Nope.  No more to this.  This has been BIG news here.  It happened last school year.   



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Lexxy wrote:

I think the problem is because someone stood there taking a video of the fight instead of calling for help or trying to do something.


 Maybe, but a 6 year  old  kid?  



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What?

Something is not right.

There is more to this.


Nope.  No more to this.  This has been BIG news here.  It happened last school year.   


 Really? I haven't heard a thing about it. 

 



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I think the problem is because someone stood there taking a video of the fight instead of calling for help or trying to do something.


 Maybe, but a 6 year  old  kid?  


6 is a bit young to be expected to know what to do in that situation.  I'm not in agreement with arresting any of them but I can see the authorities frustration that someone can be bothered to video the whole thing but not call for help.  If it was my kid that videoed it I would be very annoyed with hi/her & also disappointed in their lack of humanity. 



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When the boys were 6, the school counselor taught them about "tattle tongue." They are told not to tattle unless they were in danger or hurt. So I can understand why the 6 year olds did not run for help, since they themselves were not in danger. It could be confusing to a 6 yr old.

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If they arrested my 6 year old for this I would be suing the pants off of them. How can we expect a 6 year old to know what to do in a case like this ? There are adults that don't know what to do and who stand around and watch and video and don't call the cops. And why WOULD you call the cops if you run the risk of them arresting you for not stopping the fight? Idiots.

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I wish common sense will come back in style. Kids should have respect for those in uniform but not be afraid to go to them when they are lost or feel like they are in danger. A stern lecture and a visit to the parents should be enough. Maybe the 11 year olds should get at least get 1 warning that there will be consequences if they witness another beating and tape it instead of getting help.

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I'm quite certain the courts have already decided that people do not have an affirmative duty to intervene in the U.S. b/c you do not have to put yourself in danger to protect others.

Psychologically and socially, the bystander effect is well studied and documented, where the most witnesses to something, the less likely any one of them is to act.

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I'm not against educating or promoting good Samaritan actions or letting the children know that they should have run to get help, just arresting kids 6 yr old.

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Sounds like they were arrested for breathing while black.

 



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Lexxy wrote:

I think the problem is because someone stood there taking a video of the fight instead of calling for help or trying to do something.


Well, that may be but there is no legal duty for anyone to help anyone else.  There just isn't.  And, it isnt the job of kids to break up the fights of other kids or to police other kids.



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So, where were the adults??

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