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Dear Madam,

You are the reason that my worst nightmare came true mere days ago. I am a veteran traveling mom. I have hauled my babies from practically birth all over the United States (even to Hawaii multiple times) without even a hint of a problem. But time, and more babies, tends to increase the odds that eventually someone like you will be sitting near me on an airplane when one of my kids freaks out and you simply can't keep quiet about it.

I know I didn't hand out earplugs and little notes apologizing for my brood. Frankly, I never thought I needed to because kids are people too. I can't count how many times I was expected to put up with Chatty Cathy sitting in 2B who told me the story of her whole life in four hours while I would have rather been doing...anything else... and no one handed me earplugs and a handwritten apology. But unfortunately, short of booking your own private jet, you don't get to pick your seatmates or tell them how to behave.

Luckily, I've never had to sit next to one of those perverts who try to grope you mid-flight and I hope you haven't had to experience that either. I did notice you were wearing a surgical mask, which I thought might be for our benefit, but later realized you are probably just a germaphobe as well as a pedophobe.

Whenever I travel with my children I always notice the looks from people as I enter the plane that say, "Please don't sit near me." I get it. Nobody likes a screaming baby, least of all his mother. Nothing bothers me worse than my screaming child in a plane full of people when there's absolutely nothing I can do for him...or you. But until our flight, I had never experienced that problem. I boarded planes feeling smug, knowing that by the time I got off, those same people who were giving me side-eye would be gushing about how good my babies are. Because that's what has happened on every single flight I've ever been on, except the one I shared with you. On this flight my worst nightmare happened. You happened.

The first hour and a half were a breeze. The baby slept peacefully on my chest and my daughters colored. You didn't even notice us then, did you? The second hour and a half the baby woke up in a good mood and played, sometimes on the floor at my feet and sometimes in my lap (kicking the guy in the seat in front of me...sorry, sir. I tried). But his noises were happy baby gurgles. Who could object? You, apparently. I didn't begin to see your distress, however, until the last 30 minutes of the flight, when my 10-month-old infant son began to have a bad day.

He began to fuss. Not cry, really, just complain. The seat belt sign was on so I couldn't walk him or change his scenery. We were descending. His ears could have been hurting, I don't know. No one knows what goes on in the mind of an infant, ma'am. We're all guessing here. So I tried distractions: Cheerios, keys, books, a spotted leopard named Catty,  cookies, nursing -- all of which he turned down with increasing impatience until he began to let out loud, sharp screams that pierced the ears of all around him. It went downhill from there. Every few minutes he would let out a yell that actually hurt my brain, and yours too I guess. Suddenly it was too much for you to bear, as you sat there child-free with nothing to worry about except the next page you would read in your book, and so you turned around and hissed at me through your surgical mask, "You know, he's killing us over here."

No. I didn't know that. I didn't know that the deep mortification I already felt could get any deeper and yet, there it goes! Plummeting to the bottom of the deepest hole that ever existed or ever will. A stranger on a plane hates my baby and his bad, terrible, awful mother who couldn't make him stop bothering people with his noise. Being the thoughtful person I am, I offered to have a flight attendant open the emergency doors and toss him out of the plane in order to see to your comfort. I thought this might get you to understand the futility of your outburst and make you see that if there were anything that could be done to ease my son's discomfort, I surely would have been doing it!

My suggestion didn't have the desired effect and so you took it one step further and tried to start a coup! Loudly complaining to anyone who would hear you in the rows surrounding us, you berated me for not "giving him something to suck on," as if I hadn't already tried that one hundred times. You then shouted that I should give him a bottle! Well, hell. Why didn't I think of that? Duh. That solves everything. (Even if I had one and had tried to give it to him, his screaming would have reached epic proportions. He hates bottles.) All I have are these lactating boobs that I could whip out. I wonder how that would have gone over. Fortunately for you, I had already tried that and knew he didn't want milk. He wanted to get the hell off the plane (like everyone else in the history of air travel in the last remaining moments of their flight!)

As I sat back in my seat with my (now sobbing) child -- upsetting his mother just added to his distress -- I started to genuinely feel abused. What would possess a person like you to so cruelly chastise a mother traveling alone with three children (two of whom were being angelic) because her baby cried? It wasn't a performance of Les Miserables that you waited your whole life to see, only to be destroyed by a wailing infant. An airplane ride is basically a waiting room. We all are waiting to get to our destination. Some of us are waiting with a guy who hasn't shut up about baseball since we left Phoenix, while others are waiting next to a woman who is snoring the "Battle Hymn of the Republic" in their ear. And you, dear lady, had the fortune to get "crying baby" for 30 minutes. Have you heard of headphones? Ear plugs? Empathy?

Tears began to flow (from me this time) as the sheer embarrassment hit me. I felt as if the whole plane was focused on me and my screaming baby. Seat belt sign be damned, I got up and walked to the back of the plane where the flight attendants were. I couldn't contain my tears, so they got an earful. I told them I was so sorry I was disrupting the flight but explained that I didn't know what to do. People were upset with my baby and his cries. Six pairs of kind eyes looked at me, bewildered.

"What crying? Your baby? We didn't even hear him. Oh Lord, people are crazy."

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I love Southwest Airlines. It's the last airline in America where the attendants treat you like people and not cattle. They were sweet to me and let me stay in the back while one of them went to talk to you. I don't know what they said, but I hope it shamed you. You didn't look at me or speak to me the rest of the flight (the whole ten minutes we had left). While I was standing in the back of the plane with my (now quiet) child who was just bored to tears, a father came up to me to tell me that no one would ever dare say that to him traveling with his infant. He said that every time he had a baby on a plane all the women fussed over him and offered to help by holding the baby and entertaining him. He told me that women are especially hard on other women. This is shameful, sister.

Taking three or four or even one kid anywhere alone is hard work. If you aren't the type to offer help, at least stay out of the way. I can assure you that moms who are traveling with kids are deeply concerned about your comfort and they are working as hard as they can to make sure you are not inconvenienced by their noisy/crabby/hungry/tired child. But in the event that we fail...could you LIGHTEN UP?

Sincerely,

Megan Fox



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That poor woman. Some people just cant keep their anger to themselves.

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I think the child did very well for the flight. There are grown adults that don't behave well on flights, why on earth should children be expected to act perfectly all the time.

Society has gotten ridiculous on expecting children to behave better than adults.

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Some people just hate kids.

Now I admit, I didn't fly with the boys until they were almost 5. And we have only flown twice. Both times, it was great. They were great. But when I see mothers traveling with infants, I marvel at their energy and bravery, because I was not that brave. And I try to do what I can to help. And really, what can you do when a baby screams at ascent and descent? Nothing except feel sorry for those sweet little plugged ears.

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Honestly tho.. what did she expect her to do? You can tell an angry person "I already tried that, what else would you suggest" but you KNOW it would go on deaf ear.

This comes to my mind



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Kid probably started crying after the masked woman glared at him for 4 hours.

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I don't understand people who just rudely stare at a crying child if the parents are trying their best to shut the child up. Staring doesn't help anything. Neither does snide comments.

I hate when DS acts up in public and hate it more when people just stare at us. Have you not seen a tantruming toddler before? Does it not occur to you that I hate his public tantrums too? I'd love to have a magic wand that I could wave and he'd shut up instantly. I don't. Best I can do is take him outside if he doesn't quiet down.

I've come to really appreciate people who get it and especially those who help out. Once in Walmart, DS made a break for it and another mom stopped him. She said she remembered those days all too well. I thanked her for stopping DS. I've stopped many a runaway child myself. Gotta work together sometimes.

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I've corralled a running child or two, too, chef. I had a runner of my own. Lily probably remembers. It's scary.

My sMIL used to get nasty to #1 when he threw tantrums. Made it worse, and pist me off.



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I've corralled a running child or two, too, chef. I had a runner of my own. Lily probably remembers. It's scary.

My sMIL used to get nasty to #1 when he threw tantrums. Made it worse, and pist me off.


 Not sure sMIL was trying to accomplish. DS gets worse when he knows he has an audience.

It's very scary. It doesn't help that DS has no sense of danger. Very much a leap then look kid.



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I feel bad when people have screaming kids. I still don't want to hear it, but I do feel bad.

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Yeah. I remember, and I had a runner, too.

Until I stopped chasing and just used the child leash.


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Honestly, I guess it's old age, but don't want to hear a crying kid.

I'm not talking a kid that's hurt or sick, I have a soul after all.

But a tantrum.

I never let mine throw a tantrum in public, and I don't want to hear others.

I have been known to leave places because of screaming kids.

But in a plane, what are you going to do? 

 



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Cheerios4606 wrote:

Honestly tho.. what did she expect her to do? You can tell an angry person "I already tried that, what else would you suggest" but you KNOW it would go on deaf ear.

This comes to my mind


 I remember that episode. Gut wrenching.

 



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I don't remember that episode but it was heartbreaking.

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OMG. Very last corner seat of the plane. Going to San Fran. From Boston. And here she comes. Chines woman with screaming kid. Why do I mention her being Chinese? The smell. On, my. Then screaming kid. 4+ hours of that? I dove to another seat. I was told I can't do that. Then the stewardess looked and said no problem!

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On Husband's most recent flight there was a woman who simply watched as her toddler entertained himself by pulling the hair of the woman in front of him, racing up and down the aisle, and screaming every thirty seconds or so.

I thought he was exaggerating until he told me he counted six hair pulls and four! Flight attensants asking the woman to keep her child with her.

Even so, no passengers yelled at that woman.

I don't recall ever being bothered by a baby on an airplane. We did have to leave a restaurant a couple weeks ago. The kid was at the ear piercing shrieking stage. Every minute or so everyone in the restaurant would wince as the kid made his very loud happy noise.
We asked them to box up our food to go before it arrived at the table.

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lilyofcourse wrote:

Honestly, I guess it's old age, but don't want to hear a crying kid.

I'm not talking a kid that's hurt or sick, I have a soul after all.

But a tantrum.

I never let mine throw a tantrum in public, and I don't want to hear others.

I have been known to leave places because of screaming kids.

But in a plane, what are you going to do? 

 


Most parents don't let their child throw a tantrum in public.

I don't let DS throw tantrums in public but he's not a robot that I can flip the switch. I don't want to hear his tantrum either but I can only take care of it when it happens. I can't program him like you would a computer.



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There is a big difference between a parent that let's their child wreck havoc, and one who is trying. Be kind to the ones that try.

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There is a big difference between a parent that let's their child wreck havoc, and one who is trying. Be kind to the ones that try.


 Yep.



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There is a big difference between a parent that let's their child wreck havoc, and one who is trying. Be kind to the ones that try.


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Exactly.

If mine started to wind up, I took them either to the bathroom or outside immediately.

They could straighten up or get a spanking.

It generally only took one time for them to know I meant business.

They were not allowed to throw a fit at home or anywhere else.



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lilyofcourse wrote:

Exactly.

If mine started to wind up, I took them either to the bathroom or outside immediately.

They could straighten up or get a spanking.

It generally only took one time for them to know I meant business.

They were not allowed to throw a fit at home or anywhere else.


Unfortunately that doesn't work so well on a plane.  

 



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There is a big difference between a parent that let's their child wreck havoc, and one who is trying. Be kind to the ones that try.


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Lawyerlady wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:

Exactly.

If mine started to wind up, I took them either to the bathroom or outside immediately.

They could straighten up or get a spanking.

It generally only took one time for them to know I meant business.

They were not allowed to throw a fit at home or anywhere else.


Unfortunately that doesn't work so well on a plane.  

 


 Didn't say it did.

And the child on the plane was 10 months old.

Not a tantrum, that's either ear pain or hunger or needing a clean diaper or just tired of being held.

Like I said in my very first post, 

But in a plane, what are you going to do? 



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Some people suck. Luckily they are few and far between. Every time I've flown with my kids people have been friendly and helpful.

I was surprised by the letter writer though. The more I hear from her the more relatable she seems.

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I've been seated near Mothers who were just so overwhelmed they didn't
know which child to attend to first - the runner or the crier. A couple of
times I've snagged the runner, and settled him/her on my lap. They were
so surprised that someone just scooped them up, they didn't know what
to do. I always made sure they could see their Mom, but told them that
"Hey there, little one! Mom is busy taking care of your younger brother/
sister so she needs you to sit on my lap until the baby is diapered/nursed/
entertained, whatever. And when she is ready for you to go back to your
seat, won't that be nice? And see? She's looking right at you, and smiling!
Now, why don't you tell me about the game you've been playing?"



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Is the OP Megan Fox the actress? If so I bet the woman next to her was hateful because of some misguided notion that celebrities should be able to travel on private planes all the time and if she had done so, the woman wouldn't have to hear her kid screaming. Ridiculous.

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Best I can do is take him outside if he doesn't quiet down.
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I wouldn't recommend that at 20,000 feet. ;)

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Well said.

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On a plane there is not much to do. But the parents that let their kids scream in restaurants and movie theatres? Ugh!

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Certain commercials come to mind.

The one about the little oranges, the last orange is eaten and they tape younger siblings to doors or leave pieces of toys in the parents bed. The catch line is "they don't have halos if you dont".

Another is verizon, the parents make the comment about "finally being in control" and then they snap back to reality and their kids are wrestling in the floor and screaming and running.

Another is the tide commercial, the grandma talking about how dirty the blanket gets but she just sits there as the kid dumps a bowl of ice cream on it and plays in it.

The one with the kid in the store asking for a gummy snack and he is running all over whining til the mom says yes.

The list goes on and on.

It isn't cute when kids act like brats.

I've seen parents allow their kids to have tantrums.

Let them break things and make a mess.

Let kids scream the whole time they ate.

Let kids dictate to them.

It's ridiculous. 

 



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I hate that, too, Lily. I point out to the boys that that conduct is inappropriate and is not allowed in our house. They see others when we are out and about misbehaving and they just stop and stare with their jaws dropped. They ask me if they acted like that when they were "babies" and I will be honest and say sometimes, but not for long, because we taught them better...and messes? Ugh, no. Even Playdough was an outside toy.

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Lawyerlady wrote:

There is a big difference between a parent that let's their child wreck havoc, and one who is trying. Be kind to the ones that try.


 Lol"wreck". Ok O



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I hate that, too, Lily. I point out to the boys that that conduct is inappropriate and is not allowed in our house. They see others when we are out and about misbehaving and they just stop and stare with their jaws dropped. They ask me if they acted like that when they were "babies" and I will be honest and say sometimes, but not for long, because we taught them better...and messes? Ugh, no. Even Playdough was an outside toy.


 I was at work one night, this mom and her kid, he was maybe 3, came through my line.

Kid was screaming about wanting the toy, then the candy, then the book, then the drink, and mom kept telling him next time, he looked at her and plain as day called her a bitch.

I was gobsmacked. 

She laughed a little and said "I don't know why he does that".

Before I thought I said, "Cause you let him. Pop his mouth and he'll stop".

It was like a switch flipped for her.

She stood him up in the buggy, popped his butt, and told him to straighten up.

 

She walked out with a quiet kid.

 



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HAHAHA! Good for you and for her! At least she listened!

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Best I can do is take him outside if he doesn't quiet down.
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I wouldn't recommend that at 20,000 feet. ;)


 But but but it would be FUN!



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Sometimes it takes someone else to point out the bad behavior of a kid for a mom to realize she has slowly lost her ground over the years and she needs to regain control again.

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Right before landing is when my ears start hurting bad. The poor baby



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