TOTALLY GEEKED!

Ohfour · Hooker

Montreal Just Delivered A Death Sentence To Thousands Of Dogs

Vette · Owl drink to that!

What a bunch of dickfaces

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I'm sorry. This doesn't really bother me.

Maybe I'm an awful person for it and I'm sure I will be flamed for because of it.

sweet tooth · Member

lilyofcourse wrote:
I'm sorry. This doesn't really bother me.

Maybe I'm an awful person for it and I'm sure I will be flamed for because of it.

Me neither. They will be euthanized very humanely. A dog that ends up in a bad home would be much worse off, and many pit bull type dogs end up in the wrong hands. Also, a human who is attacked by one of these dogs suffers much more than these dogs will.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

sweet tooth wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
I'm sorry. This doesn't really bother me.

Maybe I'm an awful person for it and I'm sure I will be flamed for because of it.
Me neither. They will be euthanized very humanely. A dog that ends up in a bad home would be much worse off, and many pit bull type dogs end up in the wrong hands. Also, a human who is attacked by one of these dogs suffers much more than these dogs will.

I am leary of pitbulls too. that is due to the numerous attacks, mostly by dogs that have been trained by their drug dealing owners. But killing dogs based solely on their type is ridiculous. Euthanize the dangerous ones, the ones that have shown they are dangerous, not the others.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

They should sterilize them and allow them to find homes, not kill them. That would be the kindest way.

karl271 · Guru

Would sterilization take care of their natural aggressive tendencies? If so, go for it. If not.....

WYSIWYG · Guru

This is a bad law.

You euthanize the bad ones, not the breed that some people train to be bad ones. I've known several very friendly pit bulls over the years.

FNW · Guru

Doesn't bother me either.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
sweet tooth wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
I'm sorry. This doesn't really bother me.

Maybe I'm an awful person for it and I'm sure I will be flamed for because of it.
Me neither. They will be euthanized very humanely. A dog that ends up in a bad home would be much worse off, and many pit bull type dogs end up in the wrong hands. Also, a human who is attacked by one of these dogs suffers much more than these dogs will.
I am leary of pitbulls too. that is due to the numerous attacks, mostly by dogs that have been trained by their drug dealing owners. But killing dogs based solely on their type is ridiculous. Euthanize the dangerous ones, the ones that have shown they are dangerous, not the others.

It isn't even about the breed, to me, really.

2000 dogs being cared for, are they in private shelters or government shelters?

If government, that's a whole lot of tax dollars to care for the animals.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think animals should be killed willy-nilly.

But that can be a real drain on resources.

Money that could be better spent some where else.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

karl271 wrote:
Would sterilization take care of their natural aggressive tendencies? If so, go for it. If not.....

The problem with pit bulls is that people have ruined some of them by breeding the more aggressive with the aggressive to make them fighters, and we don't know which ones those are. They were once all sweet, loving dogs, and then, of course, stupid people got involved. And sterilization might help in the aggressive ones, but the main purpose would be to lower the population without just killing them all.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

And I REALLY don't like them forcing veterinarians to euthanize dogs. For an animal lover, that's akin to forcing doctors to do abortions. It's just wrong.

Ilumine · Regular

The problem is, "pit" mixes are included in this law. The "pit"/lab mix with the big head and Labrador personality is going to be included. So are everyone mixed offspring of other bully breeds becuase they "resemble" a "pit bull".

The issue with the shelters putting these dogs down aside, the families within city boundaries have to now jump through hoops to meet criteria AND drum up considerable money to keep their family pets, you know that Lab/pitt mix that has been happily lounging around at the foot of their beds for 2-3 years.

You cannot cry "it's in thier genes" if it's a mutt, since the dog also has the genes of any other "safe" breed.

That is hypocritical.

Vette · Owl drink to that!

Aggressive dogs aren't bred they are raised. ANY breed can be aggressive.

That's like the notion that all chihuahuas are obnoxious aggressive barkers. It's just not true. Chihuahuas that are raised to be constantly picked up and coddled and treated like babies instead of dogs become that way.

The problem with this law is the fear mongering ignorance and the seed that plants in people's minds about so called "bad breeds ."

Riding · Guru

We have three Chihuahuas and they are not the yippy kind at all, because from the time they were babies they were taught to not just bark cause they have a mouth! I would say No (their name) in a stern voice and point at them, and if they yipped (One would always test me ) I repeated NO in a sterner voice and keep pointing and they stopped. We can take them camping in a camp ground and people are amazed they do not bark. Now if there are deer taunting them along our fence line, all bets are off they become crazed little guard dogs LOL

about this thread. We also have a mix Boxer and American Terrier, Sara. She is a gentle and loving girl who does think she is a Chihuahua all 45 pounds of her

and American Terrier is a breed that is also considered a version of a Pit Bull and the Boxer is also a *Bully* breed. She is no more a threat to anyone other than squishing them as she tries to sit on your lap. She rides our MC's with us as do our other three. She is part of our family.

See above mentioned deer, these were in hay field in across from my house, some were in our hayfield but further away, these does were just munching and watching me intently as I left my house this morning for work.

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Liam and Sara watching his tummy time

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this law is not fair to those pets who are not a threat.

-- Edited by Riding on Friday 30th of September 2016 12:42:36 PM

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

VetteGirl wrote:
Aggressive dogs aren't bred they are raised. ANY breed can be aggressive.

That's like the notion that all chihuahuas are obnoxious aggressive barkers. It's just not true. Chihuahuas that are raised to be constantly picked up and coddled and treated like babies instead of dogs become that way.

The problem with this law is the fear mongering ignorance and the seed that plants in people's minds about so called "bad breeds ."

The only dog I have EVER been bitten by was a chihuahua. Twice. With no provocation.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

And Vette, I cannot agree that dogs cannot be bred to be aggressive. Dogs are bred all the time to "better" breed lines. As are horses, and cows, and other animals.

FNW · Guru

I had a lab pup that attacked me and nipped at my ankles constantly. It went down.

Fort Worth Mom · Mod/Penguin lover/Princess!

Riding wrote:
We have three Chihuahuas and they are not the yippy kind at all, because from the time they were babies they were taught to not just bark cause they have a mouth! I would say No (their name) in a stern voice and point at them, and if they yipped (One would always test me ) I repeated NO in a sterner voice and keep pointing and they stopped. We can take them camping in a camp ground and people are amazed they do not bark. Now if there are deer taunting them along our fence line, all bets are off they become crazed little guard dogs LOL

about this thread. We also have a mix Boxer and American Terrier, Sara. She is a gentle and loving girl who does think she is a Chihuahua all 45 pounds of her
and American Terrier is a breed that is also considered a version of a Pit Bull and the Boxer is also a *Bully* breed. She is no more a threat to anyone other than squishing them as she tries to sit on your lap. She rides our MC's with us as do our other three. She is part of our family.
See above mentioned deer, these were in hay field in across from my house, some were in our hayfield but further away, these does were just munching and watching me intently as I left my house this morning for work.
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Liam and Sara watching his tummy time
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this law is not fair to those pets who are not a threat.

-- Edited by Riding on Friday 30th of September 2016 12:42:36 PM

Sara looks like a sweetie pie! smile

Great pictures, Riding!

Our Jupiter would be in trouble, too, if a law like this ever passed down here. She is half Am-Staff and half Whippet mix, so she would be considered a bully breed.

She's never met a person that she didn't like.

Pitbulls rank just behind the Lab, in temperament testing.

That makes them #2 in being good natured and stable.

Back in the day, they were known as "America's Dog", and "The Nanny Dog", due to their sweet and loyal nature.

How the perception of them went so wrong, is very sad. cry

TrudyML · Guru

I got chased by one. It had broke of it's leash. You know the chain type that are like razor blades poking them? The thing was out of control. Animal control could barely control it.

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

It is heartbreaking that this has gotten so out of control that we are euthanizing an entire breed. The two pit bulls that lived with me were wonderful dogs. The older one was a perfectly behaved lady. The younger one wasn't trained yet but was super sweet.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lexxy wrote:
It is heartbreaking that this has gotten so out of control that we are euthanizing an entire breed. The two pit bulls that lived with me were wonderful dogs. The older one was a perfectly behaved lady. The younger one wasn't trained yet but was super sweet.

Some of them are wonderful forever. Some are wonderful until they not. Some are the ones that give the breed the bad name. The fear comes from not knowing which they are.

Vette · Owl drink to that!

Lawyerlady wrote:
Lexxy wrote:
It is heartbreaking that this has gotten so out of control that we are euthanizing an entire breed. The two pit bulls that lived with me were wonderful dogs. The older one was a perfectly behaved lady. The younger one wasn't trained yet but was super sweet.
Some of them are wonderful forever. Some are wonderful until they not. Some are the ones that give the breed the bad name. The fear comes from not knowing which they are.

Yeah but you could say that about any dog on the planet. I've read news stories where a husky or a pomeranian mauled a young baby. I've been bit by a golden retriever and a weiner dog. When I used to train dogs I specialized in aggressive behaviors and you wouldn't believe some of the "nicer" breeds that were just scary, angry dogs.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

VetteGirl wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Lexxy wrote:
It is heartbreaking that this has gotten so out of control that we are euthanizing an entire breed. The two pit bulls that lived with me were wonderful dogs. The older one was a perfectly behaved lady. The younger one wasn't trained yet but was super sweet.
Some of them are wonderful forever. Some are wonderful until they not. Some are the ones that give the breed the bad name. The fear comes from not knowing which they are.
Yeah but you could say that about any dog on the planet. I've read news stories where a husky or a pomeranian mauled a young baby. I've been bit by a golden retriever and a weiner dog. When I used to train dogs I specialized in aggressive behaviors and you wouldn't believe some of the "nicer" breeds that were just scary, angry dogs.

C'mon Vette, you know as well as anyone that pit attacks account for an inordinate amount of the attacks. You cannot ignore the numbers, you just can't.

Out of 360 dog attack deaths from 2000-2015, 232 were caused by pit bulls.

Dog Breed Deaths % of Total

Pit bull 232 64.4%

Rottweiler 41 11.4%

German shepherd 13 3.6%

Mastiff/Bullmastiff† 12 3.3%

Husky 12 3.3%

Mixed breed 11 3.1%

American bulldog 11 3.1%

Unknown 10 2.8%

Combination‡ 6 and less 5.0%+

And the anomaly of a golden retriever or a poodle, or a Pomeranian being in an attack is so rare it doesn't even get it's own section on the pie chart. And those attacks are usually because of illness or a pack attack that includes the other, more aggressive dogs.

I cannot take seriously the argument that a golden retriever is just as likely to attack as a pit bull. That is just not true.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

And further, I can attest and agree that other dogs will bite, but the reason those dogs don't get reported? Their bites don't kill. I've been bitten by the same chihuahua TWICE for no reason whatsoever. Once, I had just arrived, he ran out of the bedroom, bit my ankle and ran back into the bedroom. Then the owner tried to get me to become friends with the dog (I'd never not been his friend) and when I did as she asked and extended my hand in the most docile way, the damn dog bit me again. Each time it was annoying. But I was not seriously injured and if I wanted to, I could have kicked that damn dog across the room (I did not). A Pomeranian would be the same.

Now, I've met perfectly lovely chihuahuas, but because of that experience I will certainly never own one.

Had a pit bull run out of the bedroom and attacked me? I would have been seriously hurt, if not dead.

FNW · Guru

I'm afraid of most dogs, to be honest. It takes me a long time to get to know someone else's dog before I'm comfortable with them. There were only a handful I actually "liked." One was a little silkie, the next door neighbor's doberman, and another had part pit bull in it. The dog that lives next door is one of those Alaskan Huskies and she seems okay, never barked at me or the boys and wags her tail (she's getting pretty old), but I won't go in her yard (they have an electric fence) when she's out.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

My father had a beautiful Great Pyranees when I was a kid. Heidi. She was the sweetest, most beautiful thing. Dad loved dogs would foster them and find them new homes. He then rescued a pit bull, and that was death of Heidi. The first time the pit got loose, he killed Heidi. Dad learned a valuable lesson that day. You can't rescue all dogs if you don't know what they have been through even when you have the best of intentions.

Didn't completely teach him, though. The next thing he brought home was a young, wounded raccoon he found. Even I knew that was a bad idea at 12. Seriously, like a kid with animals.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

So, I get people who have pit bulls they love being upset about this. And I am completely against the government requiring people to get rid of their pets, pay fines to have them, or euthanize them. And I'm pretty much against killing any dog indiscriminately.

But, I guess I wonder if people feel compelled to defend pits because they have/had one they love, and are in essence defending THAT dog by defending the breed? Because, I guess I just wonder why the breed itself is needed. They are not working dogs, and the people who defend them always say people are reckless for leaving any dog alone with children, so that "nanny" dog argument goes out the window. What is the NEED for the breed and why can't we reduce the number through sterilization? Can people not love another breed of dog if a pit was not available to adopt? And if so, why can that person only love pits?

I absolutely love my golden retriever, but we got her from the pound when we went looking for an Australian Sheppard because that's the dog breed I loved most. And I wouldn't trade having owned her for all the Australian Sheppards in the world.