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Dear Carolyn: My daughter “Brooke” is a senior in high school. Her mother and I have been separated six years and divorced for three. We maintain a cordial relationship, and I am allowed great visitation with my daughter.

I have had a girlfriend for 18 months, “Michelle.” We plan on moving in together in April, and I fully expect to invite her to Brooke’s graduation ceremony and a party I am hosting and paying for. My ex-wife adamantly states I cannot bring my girlfriend. I think she may use her position as the parent who lives with my daughter to influence Brooke to agree. I don’t think Brooke cares. She has met my girlfriend many times and even spent the night at her house once.

How do I handle this situation? I think it is childish for my ex-spouse to insist that the woman I will be living with, and dating for over two years by then, not come. Am I being unreasonable?

M.

 

M.: No. Divorced couples who remain connected as co-parents eventually have to accept each other’s new partners, for the kids’ sake if nothing else: They need to see you both let go of grudges, even the legitimate ones.

This doesn’t mean you can count to 10 and spring a new love on everyone as if it’ll be their fault when they get upset, but you’ve got years of cushioning.

That said, having a valid point doesn’t give you license to dig in — especially not months before the party and before you’ve run it by Brooke. Your cordial divorce suggests you know this, but I’ll say it anyway: It’s better to be decent than right.

Because this is your daughter’s celebration, not yours, and because your ex-wife’s adamance suggests unhealed wounds, the decent move is to try peacemaking first.

Have you asked why your ex is so insistent? Nonconfrontationally, by acknowledging her feelings as valid?: “I know it’s difficult. I’d like to think I’d be welcoming of someone new in your life, though, if only to show Brooke I can be. May I ask why the strong objection?”

Then listen. Give empathy a chance.

Then, since you have time, and assuming you don’t get the answer you want from your ex, you drop it: “I’ll let this rest, and try seeing it from your perspective. I hope you’ll do the same for me.” Then use these months to be the model of cooperation vs. I’m-right exasperation. It serves your narrow purpose here, yes, and removes some incentive for your ex to manipulate Brooke. But it’s also just the right thing to do.

 

If your ex remains adamant next spring, then offer compromises that don’t hit bone. Michelle skips the graduation, for example, but attends the party* with you. Graduations torture spectators anyway, increasingly with each degree of separation from the graduate. (*I’m assuming the party is at a neutral site, because if it’s at your home, then it’s at her home as of April, and we wouldn’t be having this discussion. I hope.)

Or, another compromise: Don’t bring Michelle and be clear it’s the onlytime you’ll exclude. Why? Because a kid’s rite of passage is a lousy time for parents to road-test their contentious, new-partner reality for the first time. You’ll still be right next time.



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Wow. No way in hell I agree with Carolyn on this one. Ex-wife has no right whatsoever to demand this. His girlfriend has been around for a year and a half - she's not a fly by night, and they haven't been dating long enough for her to have been the cause of the divorce.

Ex-wife is being unreasonable. And as much as "keeping the peace" is recommended - you going to keep pushing aside the woman in your life at the demand of the EX woman in your life.

I'd tell the ex-wife, "You know what? If you want to dictate the guest list, you can throw and pay for the party. I'll do something else special for Brooke's graduation."

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I can see what you are saying and I might agree on that. But the last sentence really gets to me. "Because a kid’s rite of passage is a lousy time for parents to road-test their contentious, new-partner reality for the first time. You’ll still be right next time."

Still... dad has a few more months to work this out and help ex get used to the idea that HE has moved on.

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I can see what you are saying and I might agree on that. But the last sentence really gets to me. "Because a kid’s rite of passage is a lousy time for parents to road-test their contentious, new-partner reality for the first time. You’ll still be right next time."

Still... dad has a few more months to work this out and help ex get used to the idea that HE has moved on.


 See, I don't think anything is being "road tested" when by then they will have been together 2 years.  



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Cheerios4606 wrote:

I can see what you are saying and I might agree on that. But the last sentence really gets to me. "Because a kid’s rite of passage is a lousy time for parents to road-test their contentious, new-partner reality for the first time. You’ll still be right next time."

Still... dad has a few more months to work this out and help ex get used to the idea that HE has moved on.


 See, I don't think anything is being "road tested" when by then they will have been together 2 years.  


 Yeah it isn't road testing.  Divorce is not a hidden secret or a scornful situation anymore, most kids are used to it.  I would tell the ex that this party is not about her and to stop being a selfish brat.I found the statement "I am allowed great visitation" very telling.  It says to me that the ex has controlled the situation since the separation.  Now she isn't being permitted to control it and is having a fit.



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He is throwing & paying for the party. He controls the guest list. He could just as easily exclude the Ex from the party as the girlfriend. I know that would cause some serious outbursts from the Ex but he might still want to remind her of that.

As for visitation the daughter is graduating high school so she is old enough to visit with her father whenever she wants. Her mother no longer has much control over that.

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If this was a party for a 6 year old, I might, maybe a tiny way, get it.

But the kid is graduating high school.

She's 18.

He needs to tell his wife that the girlfriend is coming and that is that.

And as an aside, if they are going to live together, why not just get married?



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If this was a party for a 6 year old, I might, maybe a tiny way, get it.

But the kid is graduating high school.

She's 18.

He needs to tell his wife that the girlfriend is coming and that is that.

And as an aside, if they are going to live together, why not just get married?


 I agree.  But he probably has some marriage issues if he was previously married to a woman like the demanding harpy in the OP.



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I agree that he is probably once bitten twice shy.

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He should stop discussing it with her. The Ex has no control over who he invites to a party he's paying for. I would not even entertain that nonsense
Perhaps only to say really? Lol bless your heart.

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He should stop discussing it with her. The Ex has no control over who he invites to a party he's paying for. I would not even entertain that nonsense
Perhaps only to say really? Lol bless your heart.


 He probably discusses everything involving the daughter with the ex.  Nothing wrong with that.  But he shouldn't let her dictate his plans.



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Mary Zombie wrote:

He should stop discussing it with her. The Ex has no control over who he invites to a party he's paying for. I would not even entertain that nonsense
Perhaps only to say really? Lol bless your heart.


 This exactly!  Stop explaining!  Stop talking.  HE is hosting and paying for the party.  Here is the guest list.  Hope you can come.  Walk away when she starts her nonsense.  End of story.



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I like the advice. Yes, he is right, but it's his daughter's party and even being right his Ex may ruin it for his daughter by being a beyotch. Maybe if he follows the advice Ex will come to her senses and it wont be an issue, but if not, at least the daughter wont remember her graduation as being a fight between her parents.

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Yes, ultimately, the reasonable parent will try to do what is best for the child. He doens't want her day ruined. And, if he wasn't hosting and paying for it, then i would agree that he would be better served to leave her home. However, since he is, then i think he should just be matter of fact about the guest list. And, tell mom, that this is how it's going to be and if you ruin your own daughter's graduation party, then you truly are a miserable beitch.

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I think it was nice of him to even invite the ex. He can invite whoever he wants. As long as his daughter is okay with it, which it sounds like she is, mom doesn't need to approve.

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I think it was nice of him to even invite the ex. He can invite whoever he wants. As long as his daughter is okay with it, which it sounds like she is, mom doesn't need to approve.


 Yep. It's not her party it's his, if she wants one sans girlfriend she can throw her own.



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Actually, what could be happening is something that happens everywhere, unfair as it is. Where dad pays for everything but is completely shut out of the planning process. Kinda like weddings. You know, where mom and daughter are doing all the reservations and whatnot, but dad is the one with the checkbook. This could be why mom feels so entitled to say what is what.


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Actually, what could be happening is something that happens everywhere, unfair as it is. Where dad pays for everything but is completely shut out of the planning process. Kinda like weddings. You know, where mom and daughter are doing all the reservations and whatnot, but dad is the one with the checkbook. This could be why mom feels so entitled to say what is what.


 I'm not sure why you think this, and I sure am not arguing with you. Perhaps it used to be Dad that paid for it all decades ago, but I can tell you without a doubt that I will be not only paying for the college education but the wedding too. Dad won't pay a dime. That is the new attitude for some Dad's today; they think the CS they paid should pay for everything. My ex sure does.  I just don't care what he does anymore.  I may vent about him but the fact is I love my daughter and will do what I can to help her.  Her father is still under the delusion that he needs to hold back the money to "get me".



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