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Hi, Carolyn: My wife and I have been married nine years, and it’s starting to bother me that she has not begun her career yet.

 

Following college, she got a master’s degree and then started her Ph.D. She’s now six years into her four-year program and has hinted that she may not want to work after she graduates.

 

As far as duties around the house, we split them; she cooks because I’m horrible at it, while I take care of laundry. We’ve got no kids and a cleaning service that comes twice a week.

 

This is such a big deal for me because I saw what my mother went through with my father. He was lazy and had zero ambition, making my mother work atrocious hours for us to get by before she’d had enough and they divorced. I told myself I would never marry a housewife.

 

We discussed all of this prior to getting married, and I wouldn’t have asked her to marry me had we not agreed that both of us would have our own careers. She now says things like, “What would happen if I don’t work?” and “People change.” I’m growing resentful as I feel like I’m the only one putting in effort. I love my wife but can’t respect someone who has the ability but chooses not to work. What can I do? — J.

 

 

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Dear J.: Say this to her, since her hinting and your growing resentful suggest you haven’t — not in so many words.

 

But first, please sort your concerns about your marriage from your old childhood wounds.

 

One thing to consider is that “hinting” at a preference for the future is not the same thing as “making my mother work atrocious hours for us to get by.” Your emotions might not be able to tell the difference, but don’t let your mind conflate the two. Maybe you saw signs that her degree-chasing was about avoiding entry into the workforce, but that’s still about her, not your dad.

 

Meanwhile, people do change. Could that just be her excuse for dodging accountability? Absolutely — but it could also reflect a true change of heart that you ignore at the expense of your marriage; “housewife” — or -husband — has no inherent connection to “lazy.” She could also be working mentally through doubts about her career. Figure out where these nine years have taken both of you before you make any momentous decisions.

 

Then, you talk. I do get that it can be daunting to break a habit of not communicating, especially on your hot topic. There are moments, however, when the barriers to entry are lower. For example, you cite her speculation — “What would happen if I don’t work?” — seemingly as one of her hints; why not treat it (or some other such hint) as if it’s not a rhetorical question?

 

Choose a time when you’re both rested and unhurried, remind her of her question, then ask her if she was serious. If yes, then say you’d like to give your answer: “What would happen is that I’d remain the only one earning money for us both, and I can’t say how I feel about that without knowing what you plan to do instead.”

 

Then, listen to her. What she intends to do with her days, energies and talents — with her life — and whether she follows through with them constitute the whole story here. Don’t react to it till you see where it’s going.

 

That’s not to say your history is irrelevant; she deserves to know it’s a loaded issue for you, so remind her of that as appropriate in the course of this conversation.

 

Please know, too, that it’s not a conversation you can postpone much longer. Even if you swapped roles tomorrow, a mutual failure to keep the other involved in these important and intimate aspects of your lives together would be your undoing all the same.



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Maybe she wants to start a family?


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I think they both need to work on communication

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I think she has discovered her husband can afford to support her alone, so has no motivation to work.

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I bet if he cancelled their joint credit cards and put her on a strict budget, she'd be more inclined to work.

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I'd feel resentful too. Even if he can support them she should be thinking toward the future. Saving in a 401k so they can both retire early & enjoy life together.

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Is it just me, or was that a non answer that was given? It could all be summed up with "talk about it" in much fewer words. Yeah, they DO need to talk about it. Wife needs to stop beating around the bush, and husband needs to clue her into his fears and resentment of the situation.

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9 years of getting a PhD? For WHAT exactly? Sounds like a professional student who doesn't want to face life's responsibilities.

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9 years of getting a PhD? For WHAT exactly? Sounds like a professional student who doesn't want to face life's responsibilities.


Exactly! 



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9 years of getting a PhD? For WHAT exactly? Sounds like a professional student who doesn't want to face life's responsibilities.


Exactly! 


 Something similar happened to a friend of mine. He was after his wife to get a job. She always had yet another excuse. Today he pays her alimony since she had an affair and kicked him out.



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9 years of getting a PhD? For WHAT exactly? Sounds like a professional student who doesn't want to face life's responsibilities.


Exactly! 


 Something similar happened to a friend of mine. He was after his wife to get a job. She always had yet another excuse. Today he pays her alimony since she had an affair and kicked him out.


Well that svcks!  It seems to me since she cheated she gave up all rights to alimony. 



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It does but i have seen where the lazy spouse gets paid.

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Is it just me, or was that a non answer that was given? It could all be summed up with "talk about it" in much fewer words. Yeah, they DO need to talk about it. Wife needs to stop beating around the bush, and husband needs to clue her into his fears and resentment of the situation.

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 Well, families had a whole lot more kids, so....



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I think she has discovered her husband can afford to support her alone, so has no motivation to work.


 I don't get that thinking. Even if my hypothetical spouse was able to support us, I would still want to work. I enjoy my job and have worked hard to get where I am. That's all the motivation I need. 



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I was two years unemployed. It taught me that I NEED TO WORK. I went bonkers and depressed over it.

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I think I'd love to be unemployed if someone would support me. At least for a while. I might even have a home cooked dinner waiting for him when he got home.

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I could do part time, but never not work at all. But I love my job and enjoy coming here.

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I love my job but I am looking forward to retirement very much. If I could afford not to work I wouldn't. I like to travel and spend money on my grandkids so I will work until I retire but I don't really WANT to.

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I'd like to retire now, but I'm not eligible for another 7 years. I plan to retire as soon as I am eligible to receive full benefits.

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Mom has a friend, she and her husband retired and had planned on taking their brand new RV across country.

They attended their joint retirement party and the next day, the husband had a massive heart attack and died.

It was horrible.

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That is a heartbreaking story.

My aunt & uncle drove around for years in their RV after his retirement. They finally settled down when the gas prices got so high a few years ago. It was eating through their retirement fund faster than they had budgeted for.

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I'm not sure I'll ever work again. Who knows. At this point I don't have any plans too. Luckily my husband is able to support us and fully agrees with this decision. I'm not lazy or unmotivated. I find plenty to do and stay busy. I might work (or volunteer) part time at the school when both kids are in school, but I want to be off in the afternoons and for holidays and summer break.




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That is really sad Lily.

Lexxy, that is what happened to my aunt and uncle too, but they are happily settled now!

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It was sad.

I was blessed enough to find a flexible job.

I could be with the kids most of the time and still work enough to take care of things.



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I love to work but I am putting a lot into my 401k for retirement

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I don't know. If I had wanted to quit working today my soon to be husband would be fine with it. He believes a man should take care of his woman. I don't want to stop working mind you and don't need him to take care of me but he would with no complaints.
We don't know that she's lazy. If her not working is going to cause him to treat her with contempt then perhaps they should divorce but then he might have to pay spousal support. If they have a good relationship otherwise he'll have to decide if it's worth the fight.

I'm not advocating her not working mind you but just sayin

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VetteGirl wrote:

I love to work but I am putting a lot into my 401k for retirement


 Good girl!  



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I love to work but I am putting a lot into my 401k for retirement


 Yep, pump up that savings.  You don't have the cost of kids.  If you put away 20% into your 401K (including your employers match) you should be good by age 63 or so.  Keep it going.



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I don't know. If I had wanted to quit working today my soon to be husband would be fine with it. He believes a man should take care of his woman. I don't want to stop working mind you and don't need him to take care of me but he would with no complaints.
We don't know that she's lazy. If her not working is going to cause him to treat her with contempt then perhaps they should divorce but then he might have to pay spousal support. If they have a good relationship otherwise he'll have to decide if it's worth the fight.

I'm not advocating her not working mind you but just sayin


 There's nothing wrong with being a SAHM.   However, why is she spending time , years and money to get a PhD then ?  To do what?  If she wants to be a SAHM, then have a conversation with your husband about it. 



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The OP doesn't actually mention kids - so the "mom" part of the SAHM may not be an issue.

This is: "We discussed all of this prior to getting married, and I wouldn’t have asked her to marry me had we not agreed that both of us would have our own careers." Plus, of course, the ridiculous amount of time and money she has put into a degree she has no intention of using.

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That seems rather strange to me.

Life changes. Plans change, desires change. Life is fluid.

I think he is resentful because he thinks she isn't pulling her weight.

Ok. Fne.

Talk to her and put it all out there.

 



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I don't think a woman gets to unilaterally decide that her husband is going to support her completely and forever, bearing the burden of all the expenses of life. That's ridiculous.

I think it's GREAT if they both decide it's best for her to stay home, but that is not the case here. He's already been more than fair in supporting her during her 9 year degree journey.

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She s lazy. Face it.


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I don't think a woman gets to unilaterally decide that her husband is going to support her completely and forever, bearing the burden of all the expenses of life. That's ridiculous.

I think it's GREAT if they both decide it's best for her to stay home, but that is not the case here. He's already been more than fair in supporting her during her 9 year degree journey.


 I agree.  But on the flip side, if the couple agrees that one does not go to work, the supporting spouse shouldn't be able to walk away from the marriage without having to continue to support the one who didn't work.  Supporting spouse should have to continue support until the other spouse has been given a fair chance to start a career.



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So if she had a career then something happened and she was unable to work anymore it would be ok for the husband to divorce her?


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So if she had a career then something happened and she was unable to work anymore it would be ok for the husband to divorce her?


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 Not talking about forced unemployment.  Aside from some devastating health issue, you can always work.



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So if she had a career then something happened and she was unable to work anymore it would be ok for the husband to divorce her?


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 Not talking about forced unemployment.  Aside from some devastating health issue, you can always work.


 Agree. There is a big difference between can't and won't.  



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