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I just made the stuffing for thanksgiving dinner. My sister bought the wrong bread. She even asked me what to get, I told her 3 loaves white bread and 1 loaf wheat bread - I usually go to the bakery outlet and get day old. What does she get? Italian and pumpernickel. Who gets pumpernickel?? I know exactly 1 person who likes pumpernickel bread . . . and now the rest of us have to suffer. Also, the bread she bought is super dry, like extra dry. So I used nearly twice the broth I had allotted and the bread was falling apart as I mixed it. And I have no idea if I used enough sage, I usually just smell it to know, but all I can smell is the stupid pumpernickel bread.
yes, I'm sure it will be fine. But I relinquish Thanksgiving for the first time in a decade and it feels like it's in the way to ruin.
Oh I got one. It's so petty and irrational it might even be too much for this thread.
I love my sister dearly and would literally jump in front of a train for her, but she is such a suck up! If it's someone's birthday, she can't just say happy birthday, she has to write a 5 paragraph essay on how much she loves said person and memories and pictures and spread sheets and chart and graphs detailing their relationship up to that point. And if anyone posts like, have a good Monday, she jumps on and say oh you too Uncle Jim, I love you so much you are such a great person and everyone loves you and I'm so lucky to have you in my life bla bla bla!
LOL. The thing that's annoying though is she is genuinely nice! I can't even be mad at her for one upping everyone! Ah, my sister. The goblet of perpetual happiness.
-- Edited by Vette on Thursday 24th of November 2016 05:01:06 PM
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I was right. The stuffing was horrible. Everyone else said it was good, but it's the worst I've ever made. Both my parents actually picked up on my sightly sucky mood. They just don't get that this is hard for me. Thanksgiving has been my holiday, and it got taken away. Mind you, I conceeded it because my sister said they would come to town on Christmas Day like my mother wants if we have thanksgiving at her house. So I gave up my holiday that I host to get my mother something in return. Yeah, that's totally fair and I'll be just happy as can be about it.
I was right. The stuffing was horrible. Everyone else said it was good, but it's the worst I've ever made. Both my parents actually picked up on my sightly sucky mood. They just don't get that this is hard for me. Thanksgiving has been my holiday, and it got taken away. Mind you, I conceeded it because my sister said they would come to town on Christmas Day like my mother wants if we have thanksgiving at her house. So I gave up my holiday that I host to get my mother something in return. Yeah, that's totally fair and I'll be just happy as can be about it.
Don't let her take over the holiday ever again or she will own it. You must get it back! She clearly has not a clue on stuffing, an important staple of the meal. Pumpernickel?? I am glad the stuffing ticked you off and not the fact someone else not only make the turkey away from you but also fried it!
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I was right. The stuffing was horrible. Everyone else said it was good, but it's the worst I've ever made. Both my parents actually picked up on my sightly sucky mood. They just don't get that this is hard for me. Thanksgiving has been my holiday, and it got taken away. Mind you, I conceeded it because my sister said they would come to town on Christmas Day like my mother wants if we have thanksgiving at her house. So I gave up my holiday that I host to get my mother something in return. Yeah, that's totally fair and I'll be just happy as can be about it.
Don't let her take over the holiday ever again or she will own it. You must get it back! She clearly has not a clue on stuffing, an important staple of the meal. Pumpernickel?? I am glad the stuffing ticked you off and not the fact someone else not only make the turkey away from you but also fried it!
Well, there is the turkey too...... Everything was just, different. She wanted to try all kinds of new ways to make the staples and everything just tasted, off. I'm also coming to the realization I really just don't like thanksgiving dinner. And the couple of things I do like, didn't taste right. Maybe not bad (ok, a couple things were bad), but not like they are supposed to taste.
I was right. The stuffing was horrible. Everyone else said it was good, but it's the worst I've ever made. Both my parents actually picked up on my sightly sucky mood. They just don't get that this is hard for me. Thanksgiving has been my holiday, and it got taken away. Mind you, I conceeded it because my sister said they would come to town on Christmas Day like my mother wants if we have thanksgiving at her house. So I gave up my holiday that I host to get my mother something in return. Yeah, that's totally fair and I'll be just happy as can be about it.
Don't let her take over the holiday ever again or she will own it. You must get it back! She clearly has not a clue on stuffing, an important staple of the meal. Pumpernickel?? I am glad the stuffing ticked you off and not the fact someone else not only make the turkey away from you but also fried it!
Well, there is the turkey too...... Everything was just, different. She wanted to try all kinds of new ways to make the staples and everything just tasted, off. I'm also coming to the realization I really just don't like thanksgiving dinner. And the couple of things I do like, didn't taste right. Maybe not bad (ok, a couple things were bad), but not like they are supposed to taste.
Sooo, if you are staying with The boy, Fried turkey it is ( he loves thinking that everyone wants his fried turkey, irritates me too ), unless you can talk him into frying a 10 lb turkey, and then roast another one, problem solved. My sis does two turkeys, typically there are about 20 of us and she does two smaller turkeys. Then you have to delve into the sides and claim those for yourself.
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I can't complain. Dad cooked the meal and it was good, I bought the pies and they were good. Then we went to the gardens to walk around and look at Christmas lights, so that made me happy. But this is the first year my brother hasn't called, and that makes me sad. He didn't call me on my birthday either. He sent a text wishing me a happy birthday and said he'd call, but he didn't.
I was right. The stuffing was horrible. Everyone else said it was good, but it's the worst I've ever made. Both my parents actually picked up on my sightly sucky mood. They just don't get that this is hard for me. Thanksgiving has been my holiday, and it got taken away. Mind you, I conceeded it because my sister said they would come to town on Christmas Day like my mother wants if we have thanksgiving at her house. So I gave up my holiday that I host to get my mother something in return. Yeah, that's totally fair and I'll be just happy as can be about it.
Don't let her take over the holiday ever again or she will own it. You must get it back! She clearly has not a clue on stuffing, an important staple of the meal. Pumpernickel?? I am glad the stuffing ticked you off and not the fact someone else not only make the turkey away from you but also fried it!
Well, there is the turkey too...... Everything was just, different. She wanted to try all kinds of new ways to make the staples and everything just tasted, off. I'm also coming to the realization I really just don't like thanksgiving dinner. And the couple of things I do like, didn't taste right. Maybe not bad (ok, a couple things were bad), but not like they are supposed to taste.
Sooo, if you are staying with The boy, Fried turkey it is ( he loves thinking that everyone wants his fried turkey, irritates me too ), unless you can talk him into frying a 10 lb turkey, and then roast another one, problem solved. My sis does two turkeys, typically there are about 20 of us and she does two smaller turkeys. Then you have to delve into the sides and claim those for yourself.
I did mention I missed making the turkey, and The Boy said we should both make a turkey next year.
I was right. The stuffing was horrible. Everyone else said it was good, but it's the worst I've ever made. Both my parents actually picked up on my sightly sucky mood. They just don't get that this is hard for me. Thanksgiving has been my holiday, and it got taken away. Mind you, I conceeded it because my sister said they would come to town on Christmas Day like my mother wants if we have thanksgiving at her house. So I gave up my holiday that I host to get my mother something in return. Yeah, that's totally fair and I'll be just happy as can be about it.
Don't let her take over the holiday ever again or she will own it. You must get it back! She clearly has not a clue on stuffing, an important staple of the meal. Pumpernickel?? I am glad the stuffing ticked you off and not the fact someone else not only make the turkey away from you but also fried it!
Well, there is the turkey too...... Everything was just, different. She wanted to try all kinds of new ways to make the staples and everything just tasted, off. I'm also coming to the realization I really just don't like thanksgiving dinner. And the couple of things I do like, didn't taste right. Maybe not bad (ok, a couple things were bad), but not like they are supposed to taste.
Sooo, if you are staying with The boy, Fried turkey it is ( he loves thinking that everyone wants his fried turkey, irritates me too ), unless you can talk him into frying a 10 lb turkey, and then roast another one, problem solved. My sis does two turkeys, typically there are about 20 of us and she does two smaller turkeys. Then you have to delve into the sides and claim those for yourself.
I did mention I missed making the turkey, and The Boy said we should both make a turkey next year.
Awww Compromise! He must really like you to suggest that! (I will eat your turkey)
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I can't complain. Dad cooked the meal and it was good, I bought the pies and they were good. Then we went to the gardens to walk around and look at Christmas lights, so that made me happy. But this is the first year my brother hasn't called, and that makes me sad. He didn't call me on my birthday either. He sent a text wishing me a happy birthday and said he'd call, but he didn't.
Call him please. He probably thinks you are too busy to talk right now.
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After almost a year of not hearing a single word from DH's siblings, in the last week, his sister called me and him (twice), and both brother's called in the last few days.
I thought we were dead to them.
Something is afoot.
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I can't complain. Dad cooked the meal and it was good, I bought the pies and they were good. Then we went to the gardens to walk around and look at Christmas lights, so that made me happy. But this is the first year my brother hasn't called, and that makes me sad. He didn't call me on my birthday either. He sent a text wishing me a happy birthday and said he'd call, but he didn't.
Aw, is he always a flake? My mom is like that, but she doesn't mean anything by it. I called her earlier today and we talked for a minute and she said she had to go but she'll call me back when she gets home. We hung up and I told DF she's not going to call back :p sure enough I haven't heard a peep
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After almost a year of not hearing a single word from DH's siblings, in the last week, his sister called me and him (twice), and both brother's called in the last few days.
I thought we were dead to them.
Something is afoot.
Yeah tread carefully, or they might have realized they were being ****s!
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My sisters two year old grandson called me from my mom's phone twice this afternoon. I was the last person mom had talked with and he hit redial I'm guessing. Mom had no idea he had found her phone.
I had to send a group message to let them know. We had a good laugh.
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My sisters two year old grandson called me from my mom's phone twice this afternoon. I was the last person mom had talked with and he hit redial I'm guessing. Mom had no idea he had found her phone.
I had to send a group message to let them know. We had a good laugh.
kids are so funny with the phone thing. They figure it out easily!
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I have a vent, so whenever we have DF's son (A) for a holiday we always make sure he calls his mom right away to tell her happy holiday. But she NEVER extends the same courtesy. Today we both tried to call him/text him but he hasn't responded. I really REALLY want to text her and be like um...are you going to have A call HIS DAD to tell him Happy Thanksgiving?
We should not have to ask her to have him call! I don't know if she's just naturally inconsiderate or if she does it on purpose, but last Christmas I had to do the same thing, I gave her all day the benefit of the doubt and at BEDTIME he went to bed feeling bummed so I secretly texted her could she have A call? And she was like "oh fine".
What a B!!!
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I have a vent, so whenever we have DF's son (A) for a holiday we always make sure he calls his mom right away to tell her happy holiday. But she NEVER extends the same courtesy. Today we both tried to call him/text him but he hasn't responded. I really REALLY want to text her and be like um...are you going to have A call HIS DAD to tell him Happy Thanksgiving?
We should not have to ask her to have him call! I don't know if she's just naturally inconsiderate or if she does it on purpose, but last Christmas I had to do the same thing, I gave her all day the benefit of the doubt and at BEDTIME he went to bed feeling bummed so I secretly texted her could she have A call? And she was like "oh fine".
What a B!!!
Vette, know that you and BF are doing the right thing, do not ever extend that or stop the kid from calling his mom. Yeah, she is a sh*t for not returning the favor. Thing is , the kid is what is important, not the ex. He sees and learns from you, you may not see instant gratification from all you do, but you will in the long run, and so will she have to live with her lack of reciprocation.
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I have a vent, so whenever we have DF's son (A) for a holiday we always make sure he calls his mom right away to tell her happy holiday. But she NEVER extends the same courtesy. Today we both tried to call him/text him but he hasn't responded. I really REALLY want to text her and be like um...are you going to have A call HIS DAD to tell him Happy Thanksgiving?
We should not have to ask her to have him call! I don't know if she's just naturally inconsiderate or if she does it on purpose, but last Christmas I had to do the same thing, I gave her all day the benefit of the doubt and at BEDTIME he went to bed feeling bummed so I secretly texted her could she have A call? And she was like "oh fine".
What a B!!!
Vette, know that you and BF are doing the right thing, do not ever extend that or stop the kid from calling his mom. Yeah, she is a sh*t for not returning the favor. Thing is , the kid is what is important, not the ex. He sees and learns from you, you may not see instant gratification from all you do, but you will in the long run, and so will she have to live with her lack of reciprocation.
I agree with IKWTDS.
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I guess I'm just feeling a little complainy. I ask my mom what the plans for tomorrow are. Turns out my sister and her husband are going to go to the gym in the morning (perfectly fine) then they are meeting a friend for breakfast. Nice. Here, I'll invite my family to spend the holiday at my house and then ditch them for half the day to hang out with our friends.
*disclaimer: the friend is from out of town, but a two hour trip in a city my sister and BIL visit every month or so. As compared to the 6+ hour drive for us (11 for my dad) that they make a couple times a year.
I texted brother a Happy Thanksgiving and he texted right back, "you, too!"
My mother is more upset than I. He didn't call her. Then again, she could call him. I just find it a little sad that he flaked out the last week or two. He's never flaked out before.
Haven't heard from the in-laws in a couple years, although SIL emailed DH and wished him a happy Thanksgiving. She did send me a birthday card this year.
I guess I'm just feeling a little complainy. I ask my mom what the plans for tomorrow are. Turns out my sister and her husband are going to go to the gym in the morning (perfectly fine) then they are meeting a friend for breakfast. Nice. Here, I'll invite my family to spend the holiday at my house and then ditch them for half the day to hang out with our friends.
*disclaimer: the friend is from out of town, but a two hour trip in a city my sister and BIL visit every month or so. As compared to the 6+ hour drive for us (11 for my dad) that they make a couple times a year.
That stinks. You should have made plans with your parents, or at least your mother to go shopping and breakfast.
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I can't complain. Dad cooked the meal and it was good, I bought the pies and they were good. Then we went to the gardens to walk around and look at Christmas lights, so that made me happy. But this is the first year my brother hasn't called, and that makes me sad. He didn't call me on my birthday either. He sent a text wishing me a happy birthday and said he'd call, but he didn't.
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I just made the stuffing for thanksgiving dinner. My sister bought the wrong bread. She even asked me what to get, I told her 3 loaves white bread and 1 loaf wheat bread - I usually go to the bakery outlet and get day old. What does she get? Italian and pumpernickel. Who gets pumpernickel?? I know exactly 1 person who likes pumpernickel bread . . . and now the rest of us have to suffer. Also, the bread she bought is super dry, like extra dry. So I used nearly twice the broth I had allotted and the bread was falling apart as I mixed it. And I have no idea if I used enough sage, I usually just smell it to know, but all I can smell is the stupid pumpernickel bread.
yes, I'm sure it will be fine. But I relinquish Thanksgiving for the first time in a decade and it feels like it's in the way to ruin.
Pumpernickel??? Has she ever personally made stuffing? That's just a dumb!
Why do people insist on making something different instead of the usual dish? Someone decided to try a different stuffing recipe. It was horrible. She got mad because no one would eat it, well we tried and we couldn't. I wonder if she even tasted it? If I want to try a new recipe I do so before I take it somewhere.
My only complaint is that after I had already started the side dishes, hubby announced that the turkey would be done 25 minutes later than originally planned. That threw everything off~!
A 92 year old friend of mine was taken shopping by her granddaughter around 5 AM. She loved it, as it was her first time shopping black Friday. I have to wonder how she felt when she got home, however.
We are having pizza for dinner tonight. Why does this go on the vent thread? My sister and I were talking about pizza the other day. That there is a pizza I LOVE from Pizza Hut. I mentioned that they have a $10 carry out deal and she said, we should do that Friday. So she and mom leave to do some shopping and I get a text from my mom. What kind of pizza do I want from......Dominos. Ugh. Dominos sucks. I guess at least they asked what kind of pizza I wanted, even though when I told my sister what I liked it got ignored. We'll see if there is actually a cheese pizza when they return. I'm not holding my breath.
We are having pizza for dinner tonight. Why does this go on the vent thread? My sister and I were talking about pizza the other day. That there is a pizza I LOVE from Pizza Hut. I mentioned that they have a $10 carry out deal and she said, we should do that Friday. So she and mom leave to do some shopping and I get a text from my mom. What kind of pizza do I want from......Dominos. Ugh. Dominos sucks. I guess at least they asked what kind of pizza I wanted, even though when I told my sister what I liked it got ignored. We'll see if there is actually a cheese pizza when they return. I'm not holding my breath.
You have had a totally not your type of holiday, everything is not your choice. I feel for you.
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We are having pizza for dinner tonight. Why does this go on the vent thread? My sister and I were talking about pizza the other day. That there is a pizza I LOVE from Pizza Hut. I mentioned that they have a $10 carry out deal and she said, we should do that Friday. So she and mom leave to do some shopping and I get a text from my mom. What kind of pizza do I want from......Dominos. Ugh. Dominos sucks. I guess at least they asked what kind of pizza I wanted, even though when I told my sister what I liked it got ignored. We'll see if there is actually a cheese pizza when they return. I'm not holding my breath.
You have had a totally not your type of holiday, everything is not your choice. I feel for you.
That's how all of them are. You should see me at the "summer holidays" where I don't like 98% of the food everyone just has to have. And I end up with a hotdog and some potato chips. Those are fun.
We are having pizza for dinner tonight. Why does this go on the vent thread? My sister and I were talking about pizza the other day. That there is a pizza I LOVE from Pizza Hut. I mentioned that they have a $10 carry out deal and she said, we should do that Friday. So she and mom leave to do some shopping and I get a text from my mom. What kind of pizza do I want from......Dominos. Ugh. Dominos sucks. I guess at least they asked what kind of pizza I wanted, even though when I told my sister what I liked it got ignored. We'll see if there is actually a cheese pizza when they return. I'm not holding my breath.
You have had a totally not your type of holiday, everything is not your choice. I feel for you.
That's how all of them are. You should see me at the "summer holidays" where I don't like 98% of the food everyone just has to have. And I end up with a hotdog and some potato chips. Those are fun.
Aww, I am planning a family vacation on one of your lakes. We will totally have your menu and games and such.
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Thanks IKWTDS. I have been accused of being picky or ungrateful, but I don't say anything about it. I don't like pasta/potato/macaroni/3 bean salad, baked beans, Cole slaw, deviled eggs. I just sit quietly and eat my hot dog.
And now, I don't like dominos pizza, but I ate it. Surprisingly there was cheese pizza, but that probably has more to do with it being the one my nephew made a beeline for.
Thanks IKWTDS. I have been accused of being picky or ungrateful, but I don't say anything about it. I don't like pasta/potato/macaroni/3 bean salad, baked beans, Cole slaw, deviled eggs. I just sit quietly and eat my hot dog.
And now, I don't like dominos pizza, but I ate it. Surprisingly there was cheese pizza, but that probably has more to do with it being the one my nephew made a beeline for.
Sometimes I wish I was the whiney pouty type
I don't blame you DG. We ordered dominos pizza for our company business meeting abdominal it was awful. Never again.
Thanks IKWTDS. I have been accused of being picky or ungrateful, but I don't say anything about it. I don't like pasta/potato/macaroni/3 bean salad, baked beans, Cole slaw, deviled eggs. I just sit quietly and eat my hot dog.
And now, I don't like dominos pizza, but I ate it. Surprisingly there was cheese pizza, but that probably has more to do with it being the one my nephew made a beeline for.
Sometimes I wish I was the whiney pouty type
Nope, you are the little sister and so everyone has been in the mode of not having to care about your opinion. I get it. I am #4 of 5. it all works out, you and I can paint a new tradition.
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Thanks IKWTDS. I have been accused of being picky or ungrateful, but I don't say anything about it. I don't like pasta/potato/macaroni/3 bean salad, baked beans, Cole slaw, deviled eggs. I just sit quietly and eat my hot dog.
And now, I don't like dominos pizza, but I ate it. Surprisingly there was cheese pizza, but that probably has more to do with it being the one my nephew made a beeline for.
Sometimes I wish I was the whiney pouty type
Nope, you are the little sister and so everyone has been in the mode of not having to care about your opinion. I get it. I am #4 of 5. it all works out, you and I can paint a new tradition.
I love the positive way in which you two interact. You get each other.
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My sister took our 80 year old mother shopping before 7 a.m.!
What the hell is she thinking?
Mom is so tired. She won't say a word though, I can see the tiredness on her face in the picture my sister sent us.
GAH!!!
awe bless her heart! I hope she got plenty of rest.
Sadly, she did not get much rest. My youngest sister picked her up this afternoon and took her back to her home town. She and her DH are staying with mom tonight.
I'm glad someone is with mom, but man, she's tired! It will take mom three days to recover.
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I also feel I need to say, that my family never intends to do this. It's not like they go, "oh, DG hates this, we'll have that for dinner", they just don't think. I think they're so used to me being compliant and self sufficient it doesn't occur to them to worry about me.
I also feel I need to say, that my family never intends to do this. It's not like they go, "oh, DG hates this, we'll have that for dinner", they just don't think. I think they're so used to me being compliant and self sufficient it doesn't occur to them to worry about me.
My family does the same thing. Last time, they poured alcohol over EVERY dish. Even for the recovering alcoholic.
I don't usually go to taekwondo class, that's DH's job. So when they receive new belts, they want me there. So, of course I go. I went today. We took two cars so I could go grocery shopping afterwards and DH could take them to library, pick up his contact lenses, etc. I go to give hugs goodbye and they run away screaming, "don't kiss me!" and making quite a scene in the parking lot right outside the dojang. I know they are only 8, but not only was it embarrassing, but it hurt my feelings. As I drove away I called them and told them they really hurt my feelings, and immediately they started getting defensive, and #2 started crying (which he does to get out of things) and I cut them off and said that was all, I just wanted them to know they hurt me, then I hung up. I'm still pretty pist.
I'm sorry fnw, they do love you. Sounds like they are getting to the age of not wanting affection in front of their friends. No excuse for them being rude and they need to understand their actions can be hurtful to those they love.
I'm sorry FNW. I can imagine that is hard. Kids don't always seem to realize when "being silly" actually hurts your feelings. I admire you for actually telling them instead of just shrugging it off that kids will be kids.
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I love my kids, I really do. but I am so irritated by the trash and dishes left all over as if they, well DD, are royalty and have an army of maids around! GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
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Mom likes to get pretty, printed napkins for holidays.
And while they are festive, you might as well be using a piece of plastic as a napkin.
They don't absorb anything.
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