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"Do you have kids?" Is invasive?

How is it anything other than an attempt to get to know someone?


 I think that she was suggesting that the 'why not' is the invasive part.



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Ah. Gotcha.


I guess I'd be a smart mouth and answer with "we ate them".



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I get a little irked when in a business setting the first questions are are you married and do you have kids. In a social setting, I get it, those are normal questions. But at a business networking event, ask me about my job, ask me about my degree. Heck, my receptionist worked for me for two days before I even knew she had kids, because her reproduction has nothing to do with her ability to do her job.

It also seems that 95% of the time, it's a woman who's asking these questions (specifically women who have kids).

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Or older women. Doing the whole 'granny' bit or whose generational beliefs taught them that women were designed to bear children.

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Or older women. Doing the whole 'granny' bit or whose generational beliefs taught them that women were designed to bear children.


 I seem to get it more from women my own age, but that could be because the granny types aren't going to networking events lol and I have found women my age much more judgemental about my not having kids.



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Especially if they have kids and are wondering if they made the right decision! (oh. snarky!)

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Or older women. Doing the whole 'granny' bit or whose generational beliefs taught them that women were designed to bear children.


 I seem to get it more from women my own age, but that could be because the granny types aren't going to networking events lol and I have found women my age much more judgemental about my not having kids.


 Women are judgmental whether you have kids or not.  Breast feeding versus bottle feeding.  Working vs being a SAHM.  Private school versus public school.  ANd, on and on and on and on.



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It's also about life stages.

In my teens it was "who you dating" or "do you have a car or curfew".

My 20s, it was "are you married, are you getting married, or do you want/have kids".

30s it was "how long have you been married, or how old are your kids".

40s it's "are your kids still in school, what are do you do in your free time, do you have grandkids".

All of Caitlyn's friends are in the marrying time of life.

So she gets asked a lot if she is seeing someone.

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I think "do you have kids" is just making small talk. Or getting to know you and see if you have anything in common with them. Like looking for a topic of conversation. I don't find it intrusive at all.

When I was in my 30's and single, there were nights I'd cry myself to sleep. I never really understood why. I just figured my tear ducts needed a good rinsing out. When I was 39 I decided I was going to look for someone to impregnate me. I was unlucky in love a few times and figured I was better off without a mate, but wanted someone to pass on my genes. So I went off the pill. Then I met DH. After a couple months I knew I could not deceive this man by intentionally getting pregnant. So I went back on the pill. As things between us progressed, I confessed to DH my original intentions. He just smiled and said that would have been fine (if I had gotten pregnant). And I suspect he was flattered that he was the one I chose for procreation. Anyway, we both decided to wait and go off the pill until after our honeymoon. Little did we know we'd need a little help. LOL

Having children was always something I figured I'd do, but it was always "eventually." Maybe my nighttime tears were mourning an empty womb, I don't really know. After reading this blog I think maybe it was, because I just never was able to put a finger on it.

Personally, I was never a baby person. The youngest "baby" I ever held was 2 years old until my niece was born, then she was 5 weeks before I met her. Other than her, I never really liked children all that much. I wasn't and still don't think of myself as being particularly maternal. It took me a little while to really bond with the boys. Or at least feel a deep connection with them. I knew they were my responsibility and I did everything humanly possible to make sure they were safe, fed, and comfortable. I was protective of them from birth, but I never "ached" to hold them. I did (hold them), because babies need it. But I also let them sleep mostly, especially during the day. I felt guilty about that, too. (About not having this great urge to "play" or "snuggle" with my newborn). I must have done something right, however, because they adore me and are very affectionate with me, except in public. LOL

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lilyofcourse wrote:

"Do you have kids?" Is invasive?

How is it anything other than an attempt to get to know someone?


 I think that she was suggesting that the 'why not' is the invasive part.


That's it exactly, Tig & Lily.  "Do you have kids?" is a nice and very acceptable conversation starter in a non-business setting.  "Why not?" is absolutely invasive and wrong.  "Well, DH has struggled with ED for years and we just don't get to have sex as much as I'd like to..." I've always wanted to say that as a response!  biggrin



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Oh yes, the why not is indeed nosy.

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Especially if they have kids and are wondering if they made the right decision! (oh. snarky!)


 I totally agree with this.  I recently meet up with a couple of girlfriends from high school who both had kids at around 15/16. They kept asking me why I didn't have kids and going on about how I should and it's so fulfilling and blah blah blah.  

I couldn't help but wonder who they were trying to convince, me or themselves as they toted around car seats and scolded their older ones. 

I'm not saying that's EVERYBODY.  Just in my experience. 



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For me, the "do you have kids" question isn't something I think about so it strikes me as weird. When I'm meeting someone for the first time, I stick to questions like "how are you today?" or "enjoying the weather?" (if it's not the typical AZ sunny). If the person is bound to be someone I will be interacting with regularly, I'll ask for their name and apologize that it may take me a couple times of hearing to actually remember it. I only ask about a person's womb or marital status if they've either asked me first or I have a specific reason (such as SS) but those kinds of things I usually come to know by listening to the person talk.

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Even small talk can be dangerous. What happened to the good ol days of the wife in the kitchen making a sammich and the hubby having a martini at lunch at work?

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I totally agree with this. I recently meet up with a couple of girlfriends from high school who both had kids at around 15/16. They kept asking me why I didn't have kids and going on about how I should and it's so fulfilling and blah blah blah.

I couldn't help but wonder who they were trying to convince, me or themselves as they toted around car seats and scolded their older ones.
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this has pretty much been my lady's experience--her usual response to the " why don't y'all have kids? " question is " We're careful. "



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Misery loves company? LOL. Not really. I love my kids and wouldn't trade them for anything, but man, sometimes I'm a bit jealous of childless freedom.

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When mine were little, I was amazed at how much time I wasted before having them.

Now, I'm finding a lot of time I need to fill again.

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Misery loves company? LOL. Not really. I love my kids and wouldn't trade them for anything, but man, sometimes I'm a bit jealous of childless freedom.
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have been blessed with several female siblings--remember our mother telling each one of them at various times: " once you have children, your life will never be your own again. "





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I'm a horrible person. I do NOT miss my kids one bit. I'm glad they are out of the house.

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I totally agree with this. I recently meet up with a couple of girlfriends from high school who both had kids at around 15/16. They kept asking me why I didn't have kids and going on about how I should and it's so fulfilling and blah blah blah.

I couldn't help but wonder who they were trying to convince, me or themselves as they toted around car seats and scolded their older ones.
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this has pretty much been my lady's experience--her usual response to the " why don't y'all have kids? " question is " We're careful. "


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burns07 wrote:


I totally agree with this. I recently meet up with a couple of girlfriends from high school who both had kids at around 15/16. They kept asking me why I didn't have kids and going on about how I should and it's so fulfilling and blah blah blah.

I couldn't help but wonder who they were trying to convince, me or themselves as they toted around car seats and scolded their older ones.
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this has pretty much been my lady's experience--her usual response to the " why don't y'all have kids? " question is " We're careful. "


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Misery loves company? LOL. Not really. I love my kids and wouldn't trade them for anything, but man, sometimes I'm a bit jealous of childless freedom.
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have been blessed with several female siblings--remember our mother telling each one of them at various times: " once you have children, your life will never be your own again. "




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lilyofcourse wrote:

It's also about life stages.

In my teens it was "who you dating" or "do you have a car or curfew".

My 20s, it was "are you married, are you getting married, or do you want/have kids".

30s it was "how long have you been married, or how old are your kids".

40s it's "are your kids still in school, what are do you do in your free time, do you have grandkids".

All of Caitlyn's friends are in the marrying time of life.

So she gets asked a lot if she is seeing someone.


 I agree with this.  It is about making small talk and small talk really is about your life at the moment and those around you.



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I'm a horrible person. I do NOT miss my kids one bit. I'm glad they are out of the house.


   I was the same with DS, and then DD came along... I was like WTF?



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I'm a horrible person. I do NOT miss my kids one bit. I'm glad they are out of the house.


   I was the same with DS, and then DD came along... I was like WTF?


 Our first two kids received a set of luggage for graduation.

I packed them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Don't get me wrong, I love my kids dearly.

I just love them more when they don't live with me.

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Don't get me wrong, I love my kids dearly.

I just love them more when they don't live with me.


 rofl.gif I couldn't agree more. I never had that whole "empty nest" syndrome. Once he left home, life continued. About three days into my solitude, I came home from work, realized he wasn't there and within a minute did a fist pump and said, "Yes, what can I get into now?" lol I love my kid but it was nice to have the house to myself again. 



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I had empty nest syndrome the first few days they started preschool. My DH & I dropped them off, came home and wondered what we were going to do with our free time.

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When I left for college my mom got a dog. That's right, I was replaced by a beagle.

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LOL. And I bet she spoiled the dog more than you.

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My parents got me luggage for graduation too. The difference was that I peaced-out by choice.

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Sometimes I wonder what life would be like as empty nesters. Then I remember that God knew the parents DS needed and count my blessings.

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LOL. And I bet she spoiled the dog more than you.


 Yep. Sure did. And that dog knew it. He'd look at me like, haha human



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LOL. And I bet she spoiled the dog more than you.


 Yep. Sure did. And that dog knew it. He'd look at me like, haha human


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Sometimes I wonder what life would be like as empty nesters. Then I remember that God knew the parents DS needed and count my blessings.


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Sometimes I wonder what life would be like as empty nesters. Then I remember that God knew the parents DS needed and count my blessings.


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The days are long but the years are short. I would give anything to have my girls back in our home again. I miss them every day. I am happy and proud that they are living their own lives but I miss the days when we all sat around the dinner table together and chat about our day.

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