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Cheerios4606 · Guru

Do federal funds pay for abortion?

FNW · Guru

Does federal funds pay for abortion?

Momala · Great cook-happy wife-superb fisherman

PP offers family planning, in addition to screenings for
STDs. Yes, they offer help with abortions, when other
forms of contraception have obviously not worked.
But that is not ALL they offer. And that "undercover"
investigation was done by a biased opponent of
abortion.

Ohfour · Hooker

I know for a fact that PP here does not provide prenatal care. they do SOME testing (they do NOT do mammograms) and they hand out BC. That's about it. You can get all of that done at your local health clinic. Every county has one. The ONLY reason for them to exist is for abortions.

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

Momala wrote:

PP offers family planning, in addition to screenings for
STDs. Yes, they offer help with abortions, when other
forms of contraception have obviously not worked.
But that is not ALL they offer. And that "undercover"
investigation was done by a biased opponent of
abortion.

The biased undercover reporting still uncovered corruption within PP. The video's do not lie. The video's stand alone as proof of the corruption.

How do poor people pay for their abortions?

IMHO, your Medicaid dollars pay for them.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

So federal funds cannot be used for abortion unless the pregnancy is due to rape, incest, or mother's health is in danger. It is called the Hyde Amendment enacted in 1977. It is only a temp amendment and has to be attached to a congressional bill each year for it to be in effect. Medicaid won't even pay for it, but the problem with that is if someone is on medicaid they most likely receive cash through welfare, so take that for what you may.

FNW · Guru

They are an abortion chain. They do not provide family planning, unless the plan is to terminate.

Divine Geek · Guru

I got my birth control through planned parenthood for years. I couldn't afford it elsewhere, so it was my best option.

Ohfour · Hooker

Divine Geek wrote:
I got my birth control through planned parenthood for years. I couldn't afford it elsewhere, so it was my best option.

Your county health clinic would have...

Divine Geek · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
Divine Geek wrote:
I got my birth control through planned parenthood for years. I couldn't afford it elsewhere, so it was my best option.
Your county health clinic would have...

I was an unfamiliar city, had no idea where the county health clinic even was.

And for the record, the location I went to did not perform abortions. Not that I would have changed my choice if they had.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

Divine Geek wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Divine Geek wrote:
I got my birth control through planned parenthood for years. I couldn't afford it elsewhere, so it was my best option.
Your county health clinic would have...
I was an unfamiliar city, had no idea where the county health clinic even was.
And for the record, the location I went to did not perform abortions. Not that I would have changed my choice if they had.

Not all Counties have clinics. That really is a Southern thing.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

If y'all are going to keep posting on this thread, Cheerios must fix the grammar in the title. Pleeeeeaaaaaassssseeeeee. I could do it, but I don't wanna be the grammar police. It just hurts right behind the eyes.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

Lawyerlady wrote:
If y'all are going to keep posting on this thread, Cheerios must fix the grammar in the title. Pleeeeeaaaaaassssseeeeee. I could do it, but I don't wanna be the grammar police. It just hurts right behind the eyes.

I am sure Trump is looking for a Grammar Police State head.

Divine Geek · Guru

I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Divine Geek wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Divine Geek wrote:
I got my birth control through planned parenthood for years. I couldn't afford it elsewhere, so it was my best option.
Your county health clinic would have...
I was an unfamiliar city, had no idea where the county health clinic even was.
And for the record, the location I went to did not perform abortions. Not that I would have changed my choice if they had.
Not all Counties have clinics. That really is a Southern thing.

I feel better. I was sitting here trying to think where the county clinic was back then. And even now, I'm not sure where the county clinic is. We have a health department, they do vaccinations and education. But I think that's it.

jlbear71 · Guru

Divine Geek wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Divine Geek wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Divine Geek wrote:
I got my birth control through planned parenthood for years. I couldn't afford it elsewhere, so it was my best option.
Your county health clinic would have...
I was an unfamiliar city, had no idea where the county health clinic even was.
And for the record, the location I went to did not perform abortions. Not that I would have changed my choice if they had.
Not all Counties have clinics. That really is a Southern thing.
I feel better. I was sitting here trying to think where the county clinic was back then. And even now, I'm not sure where the county clinic is. We have a health department, they do vaccinations and education. But I think that's it.

Same here. The Health Department here will refer you to either a doctors office or Planned Parenthood.

Here, PP does offer much more than abortion services. Of the six locations in my county, only one offers that service. There are three other Women's Centers that deal with abortion here.

When i was uninsured, I would go there to get my annual exams and birth control. They also offered pre-natal care, condoms, STD testing and treatment for both men and women and adoption counseling. And after talking to my niece, they still offer almost off of those services (she could not confirm the STD testing/treatment).

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

When I was 18 and thought I was pregnant, I went to the local PP.

They did the test, and while waiting for the results, they told me I had options and then handed me a stack of pamphlets.

All but 2 were about abortion.

I had 12 about abortion.

When the test was negative, I asked about BC.

They didn't do that.

Wouldn't even give me a referral to another doctor/clinic.

Domestic Engineer · Guru

Under Obamacare, which I know is in the process of being repealed, wasn't well women physicals and birth control supposedly covered? If so, why would Planned Parenthood need to offer those services too.

jlbear71 · Guru

Domestic Engineer wrote:
Under Obamacare, which I know is in the process of being repealed, wasn't well women physicals and birth control supposedly covered? If so, why would Planned Parenthood need to offer those services too.

It is covered but not everyone has insurance. Some cannot afford it. Some have exemptions for coverage, some accept they will be penalized. Many doctors do nor accept the coverage. What would you have them do?

Domestic Engineer · Guru

For birth control? Abstinence is 100% effective.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

jlbear71 wrote:
Domestic Engineer wrote:
Under Obamacare, which I know is in the process of being repealed, wasn't well women physicals and birth control supposedly covered? If so, why would Planned Parenthood need to offer those services too.
It is covered but not everyone has insurance. Some cannot afford it. Some have exemptions for coverage, some accept they will be penalized. Many doctors do nor accept the coverage. What would you have them do?

And the reason Obamacare was useless and stupid. But they can go to the health department, they can use condoms (safer anyway). There are not THAT many PPs around, anyway, something else that doesn't do abortions can take their place.

Planned Parenthood can still exist - they will just need private donors to fund them like so many other non-profits out there. With all those women and celebrities marching for women's rights, you'd think there would be enough donations.

Ohfour · Hooker

I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Divine Geek wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Divine Geek wrote:
I got my birth control through planned parenthood for years. I couldn't afford it elsewhere, so it was my best option.
Your county health clinic would have...
I was an unfamiliar city, had no idea where the county health clinic even was.
And for the record, the location I went to did not perform abortions. Not that I would have changed my choice if they had.
Not all Counties have clinics. That really is a Southern thing.

Really? Well, I learn something new every day! Nashville proper has about 8 of them. And there is at least one in every county I know of...

Interesting...

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

As a child, I got a lot of my vaccinations at the county health clinic. And that was in Michigan.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Divine Geek wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Divine Geek wrote:
I got my birth control through planned parenthood for years. I couldn't afford it elsewhere, so it was my best option.
Your county health clinic would have...
I was an unfamiliar city, had no idea where the county health clinic even was.
And for the record, the location I went to did not perform abortions. Not that I would have changed my choice if they had.
Not all Counties have clinics. That really is a Southern thing.

Your state has a lot of free/income based clinics - http://www.freeclinics.com/sta/new_hampshire

FNW · Guru

What is your feeling, LL, on Roe. I feel they overstepped by creating regulation instead of determining constitutionality.

FNW · Guru

Growing up I used to get shots at school. The nurse who came in to give them was my neighbor which was quite comforting.

Divine Geek · Guru

Because I was curious, I looked up the county health department here. They offer pregnancy tests and STD screens and counseling. Plus Pap tests, breast exams and pelvic exams, only 1 day a week offered by an NP (I didn't know they offered those). Plus immunizations, TB testing and a head lice program. Those are the extent of the medical services offered. Prescribing/providing birth control is a biggie I see not offered.

I am not aware of any free/low cost clinics in my area. People here who can't pay either go without or go to the ER. The ER is required to treat them regardless of their ability to pay. (Which btw puts a big financial strain on the local hospital with all these patients who never pay)

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

FNW wrote:
What is your feeling, LL, on Roe. I feel they overstepped by creating regulation instead of determining constitutionality.

I feel not only that they overstepped, but that people have been interpreting their decision incorrectly ever since. The Court decided the matter based on medical privacy, it did not create a RIGHT to publicly funded abortions or the ability to have them on demand. It said that such a decision was between a woman and her doctor. It also never said they had to be free of the regulations other medical fields are governed by.

I think, if Roe v. Wade is to be followed, based upon the plain language of that particular case, the regulation of abortion clinics to regular medical standards of the states should always be legal. How many other kinds of surgery can you have where the doctors don't need hospital privileges? How many other procedures don't require full and complete information before consent is obtained?

When people fight safety regulations and informed consent for abortions, their agenda becomes clear.

FNW · Guru

I agree, LL.

I also saw somewhere that the real "Roe", regrets the abortion and the decision.

Cheerios4606 · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
If y'all are going to keep posting on this thread, Cheerios must fix the grammar in the title. Pleeeeeaaaaaassssseeeeee. I could do it, but I don't wanna be the grammar police. It just hurts right behind the eyes.

I dont know how to do that. :idiotcrossinghere:

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

RE: Do federal funds pay for abortion?

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

Lawyerlady wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Divine Geek wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Divine Geek wrote:
I got my birth control through planned parenthood for years. I couldn't afford it elsewhere, so it was my best option.
Your county health clinic would have...
I was an unfamiliar city, had no idea where the county health clinic even was.
And for the record, the location I went to did not perform abortions. Not that I would have changed my choice if they had.
Not all Counties have clinics. That really is a Southern thing.
Your state has a lot of free/income based clinics - http://www.freeclinics.com/sta/new_hampshire

Well sure, but I don't qualify. And I grew up in Mass, which left it up to PPH.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Thank you.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Divine Geek wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Divine Geek wrote:
I got my birth control through planned parenthood for years. I couldn't afford it elsewhere, so it was my best option.
Your county health clinic would have...
I was an unfamiliar city, had no idea where the county health clinic even was.
And for the record, the location I went to did not perform abortions. Not that I would have changed my choice if they had.
Not all Counties have clinics. That really is a Southern thing.
Your state has a lot of free/income based clinics - http://www.freeclinics.com/sta/new_hampshire
Well sure, but I don't qualify. And I grew up in Mass, which left it up to PPH.

Free health clinics in Massachusetts - http://www.freeclinics.com/sta/massachusetts

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

Lawyerlady wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Divine Geek wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Divine Geek wrote:
I got my birth control through planned parenthood for years. I couldn't afford it elsewhere, so it was my best option.
Your county health clinic would have...
I was an unfamiliar city, had no idea where the county health clinic even was.
And for the record, the location I went to did not perform abortions. Not that I would have changed my choice if they had.
Not all Counties have clinics. That really is a Southern thing.
Your state has a lot of free/income based clinics - http://www.freeclinics.com/sta/new_hampshire
Well sure, but I don't qualify. And I grew up in Mass, which left it up to PPH.
Free health clinics in Massachusetts - http://www.freeclinics.com/sta/massachusetts

Not ONE in the area I grew up in!

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Divine Geek wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Divine Geek wrote:
I got my birth control through planned parenthood for years. I couldn't afford it elsewhere, so it was my best option.
Your county health clinic would have...
I was an unfamiliar city, had no idea where the county health clinic even was.
And for the record, the location I went to did not perform abortions. Not that I would have changed my choice if they had.
Not all Counties have clinics. That really is a Southern thing.
Your state has a lot of free/income based clinics - http://www.freeclinics.com/sta/new_hampshire
Well sure, but I don't qualify. And I grew up in Mass, which left it up to PPH.
Free health clinics in Massachusetts - http://www.freeclinics.com/sta/massachusetts

Not ONE in the area I grew up in!

Well, those back woods of Massachusetts can be a scary place! wink And Massachusetts is such a big state. Must be hell to drive to one of the other 30 cities listed.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

Lawyerlady wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Divine Geek wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Divine Geek wrote:
I got my birth control through planned parenthood for years. I couldn't afford it elsewhere, so it was my best option.
Your county health clinic would have...
I was an unfamiliar city, had no idea where the county health clinic even was.
And for the record, the location I went to did not perform abortions. Not that I would have changed my choice if they had.
Not all Counties have clinics. That really is a Southern thing.
Your state has a lot of free/income based clinics - http://www.freeclinics.com/sta/new_hampshire
Well sure, but I don't qualify. And I grew up in Mass, which left it up to PPH.
Free health clinics in Massachusetts - http://www.freeclinics.com/sta/massachusetts

Not ONE in the area I grew up in!
Well, those back woods of Massachusetts can be a scary place! And Massachusetts is such a big state. Must be hell to drive to one of the other 30 cities listed.

Ha Ha!

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

We didn't have county clinics in the town I grew up in either. We had free clinics in the next town over but you could wait all day and not be seen. No one healthy went there. The county health dept did shots and such but they would have certain days when they did them and they held their shot clinics at the city hall. No gyno services were available.

-- Edited by Mellow Momma on Sunday 29th of January 2017 12:25:17 AM

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Mellow Momma wrote:
We didn't have county clinics in the town I grew up in either. We had free clinics in the next town over but you could wait all day and not be seen. No one healthy went there. The county health dept did shots and such but they would have certain days when they did them and they held their shot clinics at the city hall. No gyno services were available.

-- Edited by Mellow Momma on Sunday 29th of January 2017 12:25:17 AM

Yeah, long waits usually happen for free handouts.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

Lawyerlady wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
We didn't have county clinics in the town I grew up in either. We had free clinics in the next town over but you could wait all day and not be seen. No one healthy went there. The county health dept did shots and such but they would have certain days when they did them and they held their shot clinics at the city hall. No gyno services were available.

-- Edited by Mellow Momma on Sunday 29th of January 2017 12:25:17 AM
Yeah, long waits usually happen for free handouts.

I was thinking more of all the terribly ill people with no place to go being forced to wait all day in order to get their basic needs met. But ok...

I grew up in a steel town. Many thousands of folks lost their jobs and insurance through no fault of their own. They eventually found other work but in that "in between time" they didn't have insurance. They got sick. They needed care. I don't think it's awful of them for going to a free clinic in that time. If you want folks to get their lives together and get a job...pretty difficult to do that when you have strep throat or bronchitis or such. Or what about their children? Too bad for them?! It isn't just people lined up for free stuff. It's folks lined up to try and get some basic care so they can go about their lives.

-- Edited by Mellow Momma on Sunday 29th of January 2017 11:48:20 AM

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Terribly ill people can go to the ER.

The health clinics are not for terribly ill people.

They are for preventive health care.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

lilyofcourse wrote:
Terribly ill people can go to the ER.

The health clinics are not for terribly ill people.

They are for preventive health care.

Go to the ER where you wait all day some more. I am talking about folks with bronchitis who are coughing constantly. To me, that's terribly ill and going to the ER for that is insane. You will wait all day and possibly all night too.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Sooo.... either way, you're talking about waiting all day.

I've had several bouts of bronchitis, as has my mom and my kids, and yeah, the ER is the right place to go during an acute attack.

The point is, health clinic/department is not for immediate medical care.

It is for maintenance.

For things like vaccines, birth control, well checks, and referrals.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Mellow Momma wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
We didn't have county clinics in the town I grew up in either. We had free clinics in the next town over but you could wait all day and not be seen. No one healthy went there. The county health dept did shots and such but they would have certain days when they did them and they held their shot clinics at the city hall. No gyno services were available.

-- Edited by Mellow Momma on Sunday 29th of January 2017 12:25:17 AM
Yeah, long waits usually happen for free handouts.
I was thinking more of all the terribly ill people with no place to go being forced to wait all day in order to get their basic needs met. But ok...
I grew up in a steel town. Many thousands of folks lost their jobs and insurance through no fault of their own. They eventually found other work but in that "in between time" they didn't have insurance. They got sick. They needed care. I don't think it's awful of them for going to a free clinic in that time. If you want folks to get their lives together and get a job...pretty difficult to do that when you have strep throat or bronchitis or such. Or what about their children? Too bad for them?! It isn't just people lined up for free stuff. It's folks lined up to try and get some basic care so they can go about their lives.

-- Edited by Mellow Momma on Sunday 29th of January 2017 11:48:20 AM

I don't know why. That's not what we were discussing.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Probably why it was brought up.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

Lawyerlady wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
We didn't have county clinics in the town I grew up in either. We had free clinics in the next town over but you could wait all day and not be seen. No one healthy went there. The county health dept did shots and such but they would have certain days when they did them and they held their shot clinics at the city hall. No gyno services were available.

-- Edited by Mellow Momma on Sunday 29th of January 2017 12:25:17 AM
Yeah, long waits usually happen for free handouts.
I was thinking more of all the terribly ill people with no place to go being forced to wait all day in order to get their basic needs met. But ok...
I grew up in a steel town. Many thousands of folks lost their jobs and insurance through no fault of their own. They eventually found other work but in that "in between time" they didn't have insurance. They got sick. They needed care. I don't think it's awful of them for going to a free clinic in that time. If you want folks to get their lives together and get a job...pretty difficult to do that when you have strep throat or bronchitis or such. Or what about their children? Too bad for them?! It isn't just people lined up for free stuff. It's folks lined up to try and get some basic care so they can go about their lives.

-- Edited by Mellow Momma on Sunday 29th of January 2017 11:48:20 AM
I don't know why. That's not what we were discussing.

Sorry - I thought the convo had morphed into a discussion of county health clinics. I was trying to explain that, much like IKWTDS, there ARE no county health clinics where I grew up. The only health clinics were private ones run by charities that served the entire community. These clinics served the poor and you had to show proof of income to be seen. The waiting rooms were populated with sick folks trying to get better. This is NOT where one would go for preventative care. The services of PP is vital in these cities because that's where women can be seen for preventative care at a low cost. County health clinics do vaccinations and that's about it. They don't even have an office, they "pop up" in different locations. Sometimes at a school, sometimes at a church, sometimes at city hall. The services you describe don't exist in all locations in the country.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

lilyofcourse wrote:
Sooo.... either way, you're talking about waiting all day.

I've had several bouts of bronchitis, as has my mom and my kids, and yeah, the ER is the right place to go during an acute attack.

The point is, health clinic/department is not for immediate medical care.

It is for maintenance.

For things like vaccines, birth control, well checks, and referrals.

Our county health department did vaccines only. None of those other things you listed were available through the county. None.

Domestic Engineer · Guru

Our county health dept employees nurse practioners, general practioners and internists. One scheduled an appointment just like you would for any other doctor. The doctors there can order tests and make referrals to specialist just like any other doctor's office. They also offer STD testing, vaccinations, smoking cessation classes, nutrition classes and many other health benefits.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

Domestic Engineer wrote:
Our county health dept employees nurse practioners, general practioners and internists. One scheduled an appointment just like you would for any other doctor. The doctors there can order tests and make referrals to specialist just like any other doctor's office. They also offer STD testing, vaccinations, smoking cessation classes, nutrition classes and many other health benefits.

That's amazing. Our county health department doesn't have an office that sees patients. There are no doctors. They refers callers to the types of classes that you mention, but those classes are held at and run by the local hospitals. The health dept doesn't run them.

Vette · Owl drink to that!

We have tons of health clinics around here, you guys need to make some trips to the PNW

Ohfour · Hooker

Funny that the state with the lowest taxes can provide free basic healthcare to its people in every county.