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Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

What is Christianity?

Tignanello · My dog name is, Sasha!

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I don't understand the "I am a Christian, but i don't believe the Bible" thing. How do you KNOW which parts of the Bible are TRUE and which parts are FALSE? Please enlighten us.

Like Lily said ....

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I had a Bible app on my kindle.

I noticed several passages that were abbreviated or just flat out changed.

The King James Version is the closest we have to the original.

It's why we are told in the Bible to hide it in our heart.

The problem I've seen is when someone chooses to change the meaning or intent.

The basic principle is the same.

When we start choosing which commandments to follow, or what a sin is or isnt, or otherwise changing the scripture to fit our lives, instead of changing our lives to reflect the scripture, we are wrong and get in trouble.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Are you gonna tell me which parts are TRUE and which parts are FALSE? Guess not. Just carry on with the fuzzy 'oh it is unreliable, but i BELIEVE it!!"

Tignanello · My dog name is, Sasha!

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Are you gonna tell me which parts are TRUE and which parts are FALSE? Guess not. Just carry on with the fuzzy 'oh it is unreliable, but i BELIEVE it!!"

Well, this is the last time I'm going to answer this question. The parts are irrelevent. Let me distill Lily's point further:

I noticed several passages that were abbreviated or just flat out changed.

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When we start choosing which commandments to follow, or what a sin is or isnt, or otherwise changing the scripture to fit our lives, instead of changing our lives to reflect the scripture, we are wrong and get in trouble.

We don't have to pick and choose. We have faith. Last time.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Faith in what? AN UNRELIABLE Bible telling us about the God we are supposed to have faith in? LOL!

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

But yeah, you aren't gonna answer. Figured as such. Make claims but don't support them. Sure.

Tignanello · My dog name is, Sasha!

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Faith in what? AN UNRELIABLE Bible telling us about the God we are supposed to have faith in? LOL!

Yes. As LL has pointed out, much of it is corroborated. We have to believe that the rest could be as well. We also have to believe that Man has screwed it up.

You win, however, Snicks. You are a MUCH better Christian than I am. I apologize - I didn't realize that it was a contest.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Oh, ok. Go into Victim mode rather than answer the question. Sure.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I think the question LGS is asking is, which parts do you consider God's and which part is man's?

The only thing in the Bible that is a man's addition was added with God's blessing is the part about divorce.

God gave us the very few, very limited caveats of adultery and when it is a physical threat to ones life.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

So, does one say "Oh John 1:1 - 2:14 is true. 2:15 to 2:17 is false?

Lets hear what is FALSE. In fact, you have a duty to educate us so we aren't believing baloney.

Tinydancer · Guru

It's not about being a better Christian. It's about being a Christian at all if you don't believe the Bible is truly Gods Word. Either it is or it isn't and it can't be both.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

And this has gone from discussion to confrontation.

chef · Guru

You either accept the whole Bible or you don't. Christianity isn't pick and choose. I don't like everything the Bible says and I disagree with some of it but I accept it all as truth. I'm accountable to God for every word whether I like it or not.

Tig: You have taken the Lord's name in vain in the past. That is not something a child of God does. If you believe in the truth of the Bible, as you say you do, you would not take His name in vain. It's right there in the 10 Commandments - Exodus 20:7.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I don't understand of the logic of someone saying the Bible is not true but they believe it. What sense does that make? It's a very fair question as i hear this more and more. You would think they could defend the basics of what they believe.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
And this has gone from discussion to confrontation.

It is important to examine one's beliefs Lilly. Is it not?

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I Peter 3:15

be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
And this has gone from discussion to confrontation.

It is important to examine one's beliefs Lilly. Is it not?

Yes.

But are you examining your beliefs, or Tig's?

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I posed the question of What is Christianity and what does it mean to be a Christian. So, i asked for confirmation about all the false passages in the Bible that she claimed.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I would assume a Christian believes the Bible. I would assume a Muslim believes the Koran. Am i off base?

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Tinydancer wrote:
So you were born corrupted?

Nope. Try again.

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I thought you hated TG???

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

I do not think it is "confrontation" in the midst of a discussion to ask someone to provide examples of what they have stated.

And I think ALL Christians are imperfect and sin.
I even think Christians ignore parts of God's word purposely and use their own justification for doing so.
EVERY SINGLE ONE. Including me.

How many fail to study the Bible every day?
How many have had sex outside of marriage?
How many fail to go to church as God commands?
How about the seven deadlies - pride, lust, envy, gluttony, greed, wrath, sloth? I can tell you that I have been guilty of every single one.

Tinydancer · Guru

I too have probably broken a lot of Gods commandments. I will probably break more in the future. Some times on purpose and some times unknowingly but I try my best to get back to being worthy of the love God and his Son showed me.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Breaking commandments is one thing. We aren't saying those commandments aren't true.

Cheerios4606 · Guru

I fail to see significant differences in the different translations. Sure, if you want to be more pure in your reading, you can stick to the king james version. But you have to admit that it is extremely difficult reading and in the end you could miss some of the nuances of what is being said. Each to their own tho. I prefer the New Living Translation.

To answer the original question tho... Christianity is having a relationship with Jesus. At least that is what it means to me.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Breaking commandments is one thing. We aren't saying those commandments aren't true.

Yes. And through the different translations, they still mean the same thing.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Well, how does one know Jesus if the Bible is a bunch of hoeey? How would one actually know anything about him that is true without it?

Tignanello · My dog name is, Sasha!

chef wrote:
You either accept the whole Bible or you don't. Christianity isn't pick and choose. I don't like everything the Bible says and I disagree with some of it but I accept it all as truth. I'm accountable to God for every word whether I like it or not.

Tig: You have taken the Lord's name in vain in the past. That is not something a child of God does. If you believe in the truth of the Bible, as you say you do, you would not take His name in vain. It's right there in the 10 Commandments - Exodus 20:7.

Pretty sure that we've talked about this, Chef. I curse like a sailor. It happens. Most French curses are cursing God. Does that mean a French person who curses can't be Christian?

Tignanello · My dog name is, Sasha!

lilyofcourse wrote:
And this has gone from discussion to confrontation.

And I am tired of the repeated Snicks question (which has been answered, just not the answer she wants) and I am tired of the judgement of people purporting to be better Christians than me. I officially remove myself from this thread.

Please feel free to continue to judge, insult, attack and repeatedly question my beliefs.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Tignanello wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
And this has gone from discussion to confrontation.

And I am tired of the repeated Snicks question (which has been answered, just not the answer she wants) and I am tired of the judgement of people purporting to be better Christians than me. I officially remove myself from this thread.
Please feel free to continue to judge, insult, attack and repeatedly question my beliefs.

Oh, don't worry...they will.

flan

chef · Guru

Tignanello wrote:
chef wrote:
You either accept the whole Bible or you don't. Christianity isn't pick and choose. I don't like everything the Bible says and I disagree with some of it but I accept it all as truth. I'm accountable to God for every word whether I like it or not.

Tig: You have taken the Lord's name in vain in the past. That is not something a child of God does. If you believe in the truth of the Bible, as you say you do, you would not take His name in vain. It's right there in the 10 Commandments - Exodus 20:7.
Pretty sure that we've talked about this, Chef. I curse like a sailor. It happens. Most French curses are cursing God. Does that mean a French person who curses can't be Christian?

We have. And it means you're not following what the Bible teaches. As to your question - It would mean that French person isn't following what the Bible teaches. Anyone can call themselves a Christian. Doesn't make them one. I can call myself a man. Doesn't make me one.

The Bible teaches to not cuss. https://www.openbible.info/topics/using_profanity.

No one perfect but we are supposed to try to be and do better. We are called to be not of the world even though we are in it.

chef · Guru

Tignanello wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
And this has gone from discussion to confrontation.

And I am tired of the repeated Snicks question (which has been answered, just not the answer she wants) and I am tired of the judgement of people purporting to be better Christians than me. I officially remove myself from this thread.
Please feel free to continue to judge, insult, attack and repeatedly question my beliefs.

Oh good grief. No one is attacking, insulting, or judging you. You said: "I believe in the truth of the bible - but with a grain of salt, as I don't believe in the truth of Man. I believe the Bible to be God's word, but I also believe that Man screwed it up. So far, Man has screwed up pretty much everything given by God." You should expect questions since it's contradictory to believe and also not believe the same book.

You either believe or you don't. The Bible is either truth or it isn't. Yes, man screws up. That's exactly why Jesus came and died for our sins. The Bible can't both be God's Word and also be erroneous. God is perfect. The Bible all fits in together - something I'm learning in my current Bible study, actually - and when you truly have an intimate knowledge of it, you learn that it doesn't contradict itself.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Tignanello wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
And this has gone from discussion to confrontation.

And I am tired of the repeated Snicks question (which has been answered, just not the answer she wants) and I am tired of the judgement of people purporting to be better Christians than me. I officially remove myself from this thread.
Please feel free to continue to judge, insult, attack and repeatedly question my beliefs.

No one has attacked you or anything like it - they just don't agree with you and want you to answer for the basis of your statements. You say the Bible has been changed, I asked for examples.

And how is it that YOU know what is true and what isn't in the Bible?

Those are valid questions based on your statements. You don't want to answer, then that's your choice, but it also makes your position untenable.

WYSIWYG · Guru

So what? Great care and the greatest minds undertook translating the Bible.
- Lady Gaga Snerd

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While that is very likely true, did God write the original passages, or did men write them on his behalf? I am fairly certain that it was men.

Let me put it another way. Do you believe that the Titanic was a real ship and was built and billed as "The unsinkable, and grandest vessel of all time"? Do you believe that the Titanic was built in Belfast, Northern Ireland for the White Star Line company? Do you believe that the Titanic's maiden voyage left Belfast, went to Southampton (in England) to embark the passengers for that maiden voyage, then on to Cherbourg, France to disembark some passengers and embark some more passengers, and then on to Cobh (now Queenstown), Ireland also to embark and disembark some passengers, before steaming across the Atlantic Ocean? Do you believe a wealthy socialite named Rose Bukater met and fell in love with a penniless street artist named Jack Dawson, and that they had adventures all over the ship before ending up on a broken piece of door, where Jack froze to death and then sank when she let go of his hand?

That's how the hand of man creeps into the Bible. It gets all the truths that God wanted in there (like the real facts of the Titanic that are well known and undeniable), but adds in some story or bias as well.

Cheerios4606 · Guru

Then how do you account for the dead sea scrolls showing the accuracy matches up from 2000 years ago?

WYSIWYG · Guru

I don't, because I don't have all the answers. Only God knows everything.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Except how to give man a reliable book apparently!

WYSIWYG · Guru

Oh, I'm certain He knew how to do that. Man just screwed it up (as man is known to do).

He gives perfection and we screw it up on quite a regular basis. Look what we've done to the planet that He gave us.

Screwing up God's gifts to us is one of our greatest talents.

Lindley · Guru

Jesus quoted alot from the scriptures.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

What is screwed up?

For anyone who says the Bible is screwed up, what is screwed up?

The parts about the miracles?

DID he turn water into wine, walk on water, instantly heal, raise people from the dead?

Is it the relating of history, maybe?

The israelites in captivity, the deaths of first borns, the taxations, the kings and queens?

Or maybe the commandments?

Don't kill, steal, commit adultery, covet, pay tithes, don't gossip, don't blaspheme, keeping your body and mind pure?

Which part is the screw up.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

don't expect an answer, Lily. Apparently, asking for specific example about those claims is ATTACKING someone.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I know.

I tried to be careful how I worded it.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Yeah. Being "contentious " to ask!

Cheerios4606 · Guru

Details folks. WE need details!

WYSIWYG · Guru

I already mentioned one example: Slavery. Slavery was a thing of the times, not something that a loving God that loves all his children would accept.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I thought we were specifically talking about Biblical errors. Knowing which parts are erroneous and which parts are true?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

WYSIWYG wrote:
I already mentioned one example: Slavery. Slavery was a thing of the times, not something that a loving God that loves all his children would accept.

OK - this fallacy just needs to end. Slavery in Biblical times is NOT like the slavery we had in America in the South. Do some research. Many people CHOSE to be slaves during Biblical times b/c it guaranteed them a home and food. Slavery back then often kept people from starving to death.

You know those arguments that people should have to work for welfare? Kind of the same thing.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I don't even understand the point. Just because something happened in Biblical Old Testament times doesn't mean it was condoned by God. That was just what was going on historically. That's not an endorsement. That doesn't even make sense.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

And if you studied and understand the Bible, you would know that God addresses the very subject.

Giving commandments on how to treat those in service.

Going so far as to say those who serve are above those who dont.

As for slavery, God sent plagues and provided a leader, food, water, shelter, and "this way" sign to the Israeli slaves.

Went so far as killing the first born of every household that did not have lambs blood on the door to prove he did NOT condone slavery.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Not sure what slavery has to do with the Bible being rewritten by man and having false information?