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Tomi Lahren, a conservative commentator for the Irving-based, right-wing media firm The Blaze, has been temporarily suspended days after announcing on The View that she favors abortion rights. "Tomi's show will not be in production this week," The Blaze managing editor Leon Wolf said in an email.  Wolf did not elaborate. Lahren, who has remained mum about the situation on social media, said in an email that she is "not allowed to comment at all."  Her boss, Blaze founder Glenn Beck, sparred with her on Twitter on Sunday night, suggesting her claim of being a libertarian clashed with her support of President Donald Trump's executive orders and health care proposal. "#intellectualhonesty," he tweeted. Beck also retweeted a video that showed her flip-flopping on the issue.

 
 
 

Her abortion rights comments angered her co-workers, who tweeted criticisms of her. Lahren's contract with The Blaze is up this fall, and The Daily Caller reported she may be leaving her job before then, if she can find an employer "willing to buy out her last six months." 

"I speak my truth," Lahren tweeted. "If you don't like it, tough. I will always be honest and stand in my truth." A reporter at The Blaze, Kate Scanlon, responded on Twitter saying, "There is no 'my truth.' There is only the truth." Kaitlyn Schallhorn, another Blaze reporter, tweeted,"Even Hillary Clinton didn't call pro-life conservatives hypocrites."

Lahren's latest controversy started with her appearance Friday on the The View's "Political View" segment. Co-host Sunny Hostin said to Lahren, "You call yourself a conservative Republican and a constitutional conservative, but you also consider yourself pro-choice ... ." That stunned another host, Paula Faris, who chimed in to ask, "Are you? ... You're pro-choice?"

"I am pro-choice, and here's why," Lahren said. "I am ... someone that loves the Constitution, I am someone that's for limited government, so I can't sit here and be a hypocrite and say I'm for limited government but I think that the government should decide what women do with their bodies.

"I can sit here and say that as a Republican, and I can say, you know what, I'm for limited government so stay out of my guns and you can stay out of my body as well," she said.

Lahren said she is often attacked by conservative women because of her stance. "It's equal hate from all sides for me," she said, laughing. 

After the show aired, Lahren was flooded on social media with critical posts, though there were many supportive comments as well. Many said she appeared to flip-flop on the issue, with some citing a December clip from the "Final Thoughts" portion of her show on The Blaze. In the clip, she attacks actress Lena Dunham, who has said that she wished she had an abortion. Lahren said Dunham hurts her own narrative. 

"Think about it: The pro-choicers are supposed to be about rare and safe abortions. That's how they avoid sounding like straight-up baby killers," Lahren said. "Then we have Lena freakin' Dunham out there wishing she could have murdered a fetus."

After someone commented that she had previously called the procedure "murder," Lahren said that she was not "glorifying abortion." "I don't personally advocate for it. I just don't think it's the government's place to dictate," she said.

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Now - FYI, I understand and actually have shared her views. I have become more pro-life as I age, realizing that people are just not going to CHOOSE to do the right thing sometimes. She is not in favor of abortion, which she has made very clear, but she is in favor of very limited government, which means she thinks the government should be limited in everything they do, including dictating such matters to women.

As a conservative that also believes in limited government, I hardly think her stance is one that should have her vilified. It's not like she's out there campaigning for abortion rights.

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Fired from The Blaze? Doesn't Glenn Beck own the Blaze? He endorsed Hillary! LOL!

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He does. I wonder if she'll end up the new conservative on The View. She's in negotiations with The Blaze for ending her contract now. It has 6 months left. She can either get paid the full amount and not work for 6 months, or she may take a lesser buy-out so she can work elsewhere right away.

I like her. She speaks her mind. I don't agree with everything she says, but that's because she and I each have our own minds.

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I really don't know anything about her. But, I can enjoy and listen to someone and not agree with everything they say.

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I don't know how anyone can be pro choice, period.

I always liked her straightforward delivery.

But this, I do not agree with.

Never have, never will.

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She is not in favor of abortion. She's just also not in favor of the government being the one to make the rules about abortion.

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In my heart and mind, pro choice is pro abortion.

Nothing anyone says will ever convince me otherwise.

The fact that we have a law saying it is legal to kill an unborn child turns my stomach.

What kind of people support that?

I can not.

There was an announcement yesterday of a birth to a couple celebrities, and to celebrate they are doing a couple fund raisers. 

So here is a picture of a mom holding her 2 week old baby raising funds for Planned Parenthood. 

I just don't understand it.

I am all for less government, and to me, that means a government that doesn't allow murder of the unborn.



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See, I think ideally, there wouldn't be a need for any laws, either for or against. Society should handle this issue, along with the Hippocratic oath that physicians take.

Right now, the "right" to have an abortion allows abortion clinics to get special considerations and leeway under the law to make sure women have access to abortions. If the government had stayed out of it, it would be like any other medical procedure - it would require a doctor willing to do it (and the Hippocratic oath requires doctors to "harm none"), it would require a medical reason for being done with the same regulations for any other medical procedures, insurers shouldn't cover it any more than they would cover any other elective procedure (unless necessary for the mother's health) and there would be no government assistance or other taxpayer funded help for abortions.



And Roe vs. Wade did not impart a "right" to abortion as has been interpreted. It confirmed a right in medical privacy between a woman and her doctor.

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The right is there. But there is no right to have taxpayers foot the bill. At least there shouldn't be.

I agree with LL. Too much government interference is making it all too easy to get one. And that's just wrong, IMO.

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Has the government been paying for the abortions? Every clinic I know of offers the services but the patient pays for their own abortion.

I think in cases of rape or incest of a minor it should be available. At the parents expense.



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The government funds planned parenthood, which allows it to stay open and offer abortion services. The new laws also require insurance companies to pay for Plan B and abortion services. That's what the whole Hobby Lobby case was about.

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am legally pro-choice---morally am pro-life--a woman's(or any individual's)right to their own decisions for their own body is absolute--no other answer--whatever their moral standards, the issue is between their religion(or beliefs)and their own conscience



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They may fund planned parenthood but the consumers pay for their abortions. At least that's how it is here.
Abortions are not the only services they provide.

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It's the only thing they will talk to you about here.

They won't even discuss other options or put you in contact with anyone that will.

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-- Edited by lilyofcourse on Tuesday 28th of March 2017 01:07:03 PM

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The one around here isn't like that. They provide low cost birth control and gyno care.

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The one here will take medicaid when performing abortions.

Medicaid is tax money.

Therefore, the government is funding abortions.

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Lily who told you that. I don't know of any clinic that does that. Are we talking about a hospital?
What confirmation is there that Medicaid or any other insurance pays for that? I know a little bit about insurance and maybe Florida is different but Medicaid does not pay for abortions. If God forbid they did for some reason I'm sure it would have to be an emergent situation and in the hospital.

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Mind you I'm not pro abortion but I'm all about facts not rhetoric.
I can only speak for how my state is though.

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am legally pro-choice---morally am pro-life--a woman's(or any individual's)right to their own decisions for their own body is absolute--no other answer--whatever their moral standards, the issue is between their religion(or beliefs)and their own conscience

 You expressed my views very well. Thank you. 

 

I also say I am pro-choice and anti-abortion. 



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Lily who told you that. I don't know of any clinic that does that. Are we talking about a hospital?
What confirmation is there that Medicaid or any other insurance pays for that? I know a little bit about insurance and maybe Florida is different but Medicaid does not pay for abortions. If God forbid they did for some reason I'm sure it would have to be an emergent situation and in the hospital.

 My ex mother in law was a medicaid social worker.

She told me.

She isn't the only one to tell me that, either.

And no, not a hospital. 

A small trailer used by PP. 

 



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Mary Zombie wrote:

They may fund planned parenthood but the consumers pay for their abortions. At least that's how it is here.
Abortions are not the only services they provide.

 It's the main thing they provide.  A study was done, and less than 5% of PPs actually provide pre-natal care.  They provide birth control and abortions.  They charge very little for abortions - and they use the funding they receive to stay open so they can offer abortions. 

 

You can get birth control at your local health department.  PP is unnecessary and they should not receive ANY government funding.  



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There are 17 states where Medicaid pays for abortions. Federal Medicaid money can't be used to fund abortions, but states can choose to fund their portion of medicaid coverage to provide abortions.

 

State Policies on Abortion Coverage in Medicaid and Private Insurance, 2016



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With the "right" coding, it can be a "viable" medical procedure.

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We'll also if the mother is receiving welfare she can use the cash portion of the EBT card to pay.

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I really don't know how anyone gets the cash portion.

It isn't automatic.

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Do they have to have the procedure in a hospital Though? Most Medicaid plans require procedure in an participating facility and how many of them have physicians that perform abortions, KWIM? I wonder how many were actually performed as posed to saying they could potentially be covered....
Am I making sense?

The only time I would be ok with any insurance paying for this would be A case of a child inpregnated by thr rape. There was a case in Detroit in ten early eighties of an 11 year old raped by her step father and the mother had to go to court for her to get an abortion.
I think the girl ended up going to term. I don't remember exactly why the mother had to sue but I think they gave the baby up for adoption if I recall correctly.
I can't imagine making an already traumatized 11'year old go through a pregnancy under those circumstances.
I would be ok with Medicaid covering that in a case like that.

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I really don't know how anyone gets the cash portion.

It isn't automatic.

Here they have ATM cards.   



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Do they have to have the procedure in a hospital Though? Most Medicaid plans require procedure in an participating facility and how many of them have physicians that perform abortions, KWIM? I wonder how many were actually performed as posed to saying they could potentially be covered....
Am I making sense?

The only time I would be ok with any insurance paying for this would be A case of a child inpregnated by thr rape. There was a case in Detroit in ten early eighties of an 11 year old raped by her step father and the mother had to go to court for her to get an abortion.
I think the girl ended up going to term. I don't remember exactly why the mother had to sue but I think they gave the baby up for adoption if I recall correctly.
I can't imagine making an already traumatized 11'year old go through a pregnancy under those circumstances.
I would be ok with Medicaid covering that in a case like that.

 No.

Here, it was a trailer.

Like a converted house trailer.

The doctor came in 2 days a week.

 



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I don't understand how any insurance can cover that in a trailer ??? Oy

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Oh, come on.

It's an office.

What's the difference in that and a mobile clinic?



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I don't think they're paying for them Willy nilly. I would think it would involve an emergent situation.

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So, as in any abortion thread, I feel the need to put in the disclaimer that not all "abortions" are about killing a baby. Abortion is the the deliberate termination of a human pregnancy, most often performed during the first 28 weeks of pregnancy. Those deliberate terminations of the pregnancy are not always killing the baby. I tell you this because I had one as most of you know at 30 weeks, the baby was dying, had all kinds of organ growing issues; aborting, if he survived, was the way to save his life, make him eligible for organ transplant. The Doctor induced labor and he had passed once born, it was not a suction thing. You all have to remember that abortion is NOT about killing a baby in every instance so be careful how you vote/think about it.

I hated that on the marque outside my room where they put the procedure being done was the word "abortion". I "aborted" my baby to save him, but he had already passed. Not looking for IVY's or other condolences, just wanting to educate everyone on what abortion is so watch your opinions and votes.

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So, as in any abortion thread, I feel the need to put in the disclaimer that not all "abortions" are about killing a baby. Abortion is the the deliberate termination of a human pregnancy, most often performed during the first 28 weeks of pregnancy. Those deliberate terminations of the pregnancy are not always killing the baby. I tell you this because I had one as most of you know at 30 weeks, the baby was dying, had all kinds of organ growing issues; aborting, if he survived, was the way to save his life, make him eligible for organ transplant. The Doctor induced labor and he had passed once born, it was not a suction thing. You all have to remember that abortion is NOT about killing a baby in every instance so be careful how you vote/think about it.

I hated that on the marque outside my room where they put the procedure being done was the word "abortion". I "aborted" my baby to save him, but he had already passed. Not looking for IVY's or other condolences, just wanting to educate everyone on what abortion is so watch your opinions and votes.

IKWTDS, you made the choice to deliver him early, in order to attempt to save him.

That wasn't an abortion, IMHO.

That was a Mom, trying to save her child.

It still breaks my heart, that he didn't make it.

I'm so sorry.

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I really don't know how anyone gets the cash portion.

It isn't automatic.

Here they have ATM cards.   

 those ATM cards are the EBT I posted about. Disgusting.



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So, as in any abortion thread, I feel the need to put in the disclaimer that not all "abortions" are about killing a baby. Abortion is the the deliberate termination of a human pregnancy, most often performed during the first 28 weeks of pregnancy. Those deliberate terminations of the pregnancy are not always killing the baby. I tell you this because I had one as most of you know at 30 weeks, the baby was dying, had all kinds of organ growing issues; aborting, if he survived, was the way to save his life, make him eligible for organ transplant. The Doctor induced labor and he had passed once born, it was not a suction thing. You all have to remember that abortion is NOT about killing a baby in every instance so be careful how you vote/think about it.

I hated that on the marque outside my room where they put the procedure being done was the word "abortion". I "aborted" my baby to save him, but he had already passed. Not looking for IVY's or other condolences, just wanting to educate everyone on what abortion is so watch your opinions and votes.

IKWTDS, you made the choice to deliver him early, in order to attempt to save him.

That wasn't an abortion, IMHO.

That was a Mom, trying to save her child.

It still breaks my heart, that he didn't make it.

I'm so sorry.

Hugs to you. 

 Thanks FWM, it was not a hard decision. I knew he had passed, not officially, but I knew as a mother.  Of course my point is do not trash anti abortion laws until you have a complete understanding of such laws.



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There is a difference in your situation and the regular abortions.

Your situation would have been medically necessary and you didn't need a law to say it could be done.

I am so sorry your little boy didn't make it.



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There is a difference in your situation and the regular abortions.

Your situation would have been medically necessary and you didn't need a law to say it could be done.

I am so sorry your little boy didn't make it.

 Ok so taking the emotion out of it. Just remember there are other situations for a procedure termed 'abortiion". Please vote on such laws with that in mind.



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I know what to do_sometimes wrote:

So, as in any abortion thread, I feel the need to put in the disclaimer that not all "abortions" are about killing a baby. Abortion is the the deliberate termination of a human pregnancy, most often performed during the first 28 weeks of pregnancy. Those deliberate terminations of the pregnancy are not always killing the baby. I tell you this because I had one as most of you know at 30 weeks, the baby was dying, had all kinds of organ growing issues; aborting, if he survived, was the way to save his life, make him eligible for organ transplant. The Doctor induced labor and he had passed once born, it was not a suction thing. You all have to remember that abortion is NOT about killing a baby in every instance so be careful how you vote/think about it.

I hated that on the marque outside my room where they put the procedure being done was the word "abortion". I "aborted" my baby to save him, but he had already passed. Not looking for IVY's or other condolences, just wanting to educate everyone on what abortion is so watch your opinions and votes.

 This is a horrible thing to have to go through, but you need to remember, when we are talking about abortion, this is not what we mean - no matter what a medical chart says.



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So, as in any abortion thread, I feel the need to put in the disclaimer that not all "abortions" are about killing a baby. Abortion is the the deliberate termination of a human pregnancy, most often performed during the first 28 weeks of pregnancy. Those deliberate terminations of the pregnancy are not always killing the baby. I tell you this because I had one as most of you know at 30 weeks, the baby was dying, had all kinds of organ growing issues; aborting, if he survived, was the way to save his life, make him eligible for organ transplant. The Doctor induced labor and he had passed once born, it was not a suction thing. You all have to remember that abortion is NOT about killing a baby in every instance so be careful how you vote/think about it.

I hated that on the marque outside my room where they put the procedure being done was the word "abortion". I "aborted" my baby to save him, but he had already passed. Not looking for IVY's or other condolences, just wanting to educate everyone on what abortion is so watch your opinions and votes.

 This is a horrible thing to have to go through, but you need to remember, when we are talking about abortion, this is not what we mean - no matter what a medical chart says.

 But the laws are written to correspond to medical terms. That's what ikwtds is saying. These laws can be badly written and poorly understood, even by the lawmakers, leading to unintended and horrible consequences. 



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Tangerine wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:

So, as in any abortion thread, I feel the need to put in the disclaimer that not all "abortions" are about killing a baby. Abortion is the the deliberate termination of a human pregnancy, most often performed during the first 28 weeks of pregnancy. Those deliberate terminations of the pregnancy are not always killing the baby. I tell you this because I had one as most of you know at 30 weeks, the baby was dying, had all kinds of organ growing issues; aborting, if he survived, was the way to save his life, make him eligible for organ transplant. The Doctor induced labor and he had passed once born, it was not a suction thing. You all have to remember that abortion is NOT about killing a baby in every instance so be careful how you vote/think about it.

I hated that on the marque outside my room where they put the procedure being done was the word "abortion". I "aborted" my baby to save him, but he had already passed. Not looking for IVY's or other condolences, just wanting to educate everyone on what abortion is so watch your opinions and votes.

 This is a horrible thing to have to go through, but you need to remember, when we are talking about abortion, this is not what we mean - no matter what a medical chart says.

 But the laws are written to correspond to medical terms. That's what ikwtds is saying. These laws can be badly written and poorly understood, even by the lawmakers, leading to unintended and horrible consequences. 

 I think that everyone agrees that medically necessary and elective are two very different things.



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These laws can be badly written and poorly understood, even by the lawmakers, leading to unintended and horrible consequences.
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And if you don't believe that, we can look at things other than abortion for proof. Look at Obamacare for example: "badly written and poorly understood, even by the lawmakers, leading to unintended [well, we hope they didn't do it on purpose!] and horrible consequences."

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I am sorry you went through that, IKWTDS. The heartbeat of my first son was no longer heard between 6 & 7 weeks so I had a D&C. I made them double check just before going under to make sure he was really gone. I don't know if that's considered an abortion, but I do believe there are situations where it is necessary.

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