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Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Homeowner who shot dead intruder he found taking a SHOWER in his bathroom is charged with murder

karl271 · Guru

Well, if he was in the shower he probably was not armed. But, he was confronted by the homeowner, who then left to get his gun from another location and the showering guy did not have enough brains to get the heck out of there.

But not so sure if it was necessary to shoot the guy to death... Whatever happened to kneecaps?

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

This house is pretty remote. And, how did he know this wasn't a ruse with another intruder standing by. If you need a shower, go to the Y. Can't feel sorry for the guy who broke in. You shouldn't be expected to figure out every situation in your home with some crystal ball and supposedly know someone's intentions who has broken into your home.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I don't think the homeowner should have to stand down or leave and potentially let this guy ravage his house while calling the police.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

And just because he didnt' have a weapon doesn't mean he couldn't kill the home owner with bare hands. The standards of whether someone is armed or not shouldnt matter. The homeowner is not a trained police officer. If you break into someone's home, then you should suffer the potential consequences of that.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Here's a link. The Daily Mail always has a much better in depth story:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4374280/Man-shot-dead-broke-home-took-shower.html

Mary Zombie · Guru

Yeah why didn't the guy leave immediately after they first had words. He had time.
I think he got what he deserved for the sheer audacity and stupidity

I hope the homeowner gets not guilty at trial.

Lenni · Member

Yeah why didn't the guy leave immediately after they first had words. He had time.
I think he got what he deserved for the sheer audacity and stupidity

I hope the homeowner gets not guilty at trial.

Exactly!

FNW · Guru

Sadly, I do believe he is guilty. He left the house and returned with a gun. While you have a right to defend yourself with deadly force, you do not have a right to defend your property with deadly force. Courts put a higher value on human life than personal or real property.

I don't like it, but this is how the law works.

Fort Worth Mom · Mod/Penguin lover/Princess!

FNW wrote:
Sadly, I do believe he is guilty. He left the house and returned with a gun. While you have a right to defend yourself with deadly force, you do not have a right to defend your property with deadly force. Courts put a higher value on human life than personal or real property.

I don't like it, but this is how the law works.

I agree.

It's one thing, if someone breaks into your home, when you're in it.

Shoot the sucker dead. No problem.

This wasn't the case.

The man went next door, to where he lived. His life wasn't in danger.

He should have called 911, and let the police handle the intruder.

I think he's guilty.

JMHO

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

The intruder had time to leave too. He got his just desserts.

Ohfour · Hooker

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
The intruder had time to leave too. He got his just desserts.

Gonna disagree here. You have a right to protect yourself against immediate threat. The man was NOT in danger, and could not possibly thought that he was. This is murder.

Lindley · Guru

Fort Worth Mom wrote:
FNW wrote:
Sadly, I do believe he is guilty. He left the house and returned with a gun. While you have a right to defend yourself with deadly force, you do not have a right to defend your property with deadly force. Courts put a higher value on human life than personal or real property.

I don't like it, but this is how the law works.
I agree.
It's one thing, if someone breaks into your home, when you're in it.
Shoot the sucker dead. No problem.
This wasn't the case.
The man went next door, to where he lived. His life wasn't in danger.
He should have called 911, and let the police handle the intruder.
I think he's guilty.
JMHO

I agree with this. I'm not against using a gun to protect myself or my family like the young man in Oklahoma but this case he went to his home next door retrieved his gun and returned to his other property shot him dead then called 911. His life wasn't in danger, or it didn't have to be in danger.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Why didn't the intruder leave?

Ohfour · Hooker

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Why didn't the intruder leave?

Doesn't matter. The guy's life was not in danger. Same premise as you cannot shoot someone in the back.

FNW · Guru

The home owner was pist. He acted out of heat of passion, possibly, if a "reasonable person" in his situation would consider the time between seeing the intruder and actually shooting him such that he did not have time to "cool off" before killing him. That might mitigate it to voluntary manslaughter.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

I think it's a proper charge to start with - it will probably be reduced. This wasn't his home, it was a second location and he did not act in self-defense. He left and had plenty of time to call the cops.

FNW · Guru

Unless when he returned with the gun the intruder, no longer showering, attacked the owner. Still, that would be tough to prove.

As for calling the police, that could be subject to debate as well. There are regions, even in this country, where it takes an hour or so for the police to arrive. My FIL had an intruder, his alarm went off, police were called, and it took an hour for the police to show up. In Pottstown, PA. He does not live in the middle of nowhere either. Apparently it was because there is dispute as to whether city or county responds to his area.

Nonetheless, he was not under any threat of danger when he left the premises and returned home. Sit, wait, try to take a picture of the intruder as he is leaving if you can.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Why didn't the intruder leave?
Doesn't matter. The guy's life was not in danger. Same premise as you cannot shoot someone in the back.

It does matter. Part of the circumstances. Not leaving makes it more likely that he was there for nefarious reasons.

Tinydancer · Guru

This whole story is nuts.

Lindley · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Why didn't the intruder leave?
Doesn't matter. The guy's life was not in danger. Same premise as you cannot shoot someone in the back.
It does matter. Part of the circumstances. Not leaving makes it more likely that he was there for nefarious reasons.

But he left the property to retrieve his gun. His life wasn't in danger. He could have still retrieve his gun, called police and stayed where he was.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

The intruder could have left. He didnt.

Ohfour · Hooker

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
The intruder could have left. He didnt.

Not a reason to be killed. That's vigilante justice. And that's illegal.

Lindley · Guru

The owner did not have to kill the intruder, his life wasn't in danger.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

How do u know he wasnt in danger?

Lindley · Guru

He was able to leave go next door, retrieve his gun walk back to the other property then shoot the intruder while still in the shower.

Ohfour · Hooker

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
How do u know he wasnt in danger?

You've got to be kidding me. He left. He went home. He could have locked his door and called the police. That's what a normal person would do. He's a murderer. He will go to jail...

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Damn, that dude was stupid. He should have high-tailed it out of there when the guy left. He was still in the shower? Darwin award there.

I'm surprised he wasn't charged with 1st degree murder. That's pre-meditation, going to get your gun, failing to call the police, and purposely going in to kill the naked man in the shower.

Ohfour · Hooker

Lawyerlady wrote:
Damn, that dude was stupid. He should have high-tailed it out of there when the guy left. He was still in the shower? Darwin award there.

I'm surprised he wasn't charged with 1st degree murder. That's pre-meditation, going to get your gun, failing to call the police, and purposely going in to kill the naked man in the shower.

Yep. This will not end well for him...

Lindley · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
Damn, that dude was stupid. He should have high-tailed it out of there when the guy left. He was still in the shower? Darwin award there.

I'm surprised he wasn't charged with 1st degree murder. That's pre-meditation, going to get your gun, failing to call the police, and purposely going in to kill the naked man in the shower.

Neither one of them was to bright.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

There will be a whole lot more to this story before it is over.

I'm thinking the men knew each other, probably lovers.

I don't know, but it could make a great lifetime movie.

Mary Zombie · Guru

We don't know that he didn't try to get him to leave when he returned and an altercation ensured hence him having to shoot. I'm sure as someone else said more details will likely come out.

In some states you can use deadly force to protect your property.

The can't imagine the sense of entitlement to use someone elses property to shower. IMO he's lucky he had time to leave before the guy came back.

Ohfour · Hooker

He never HAD to shoot. He left the property. His life was not in danger.

I don't believe Washington has the property/deadly force laws.

He's going to prison. Good. He's a danger to society...

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
Damn, that dude was stupid. He should have high-tailed it out of there when the guy left. He was still in the shower? Darwin award there.

I'm surprised he wasn't charged with 1st degree murder. That's pre-meditation, going to get your gun, failing to call the police, and purposely going in to kill the naked man in the shower.

Naked man is HIS shower in HIS home.

Ohfour · Hooker

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Damn, that dude was stupid. He should have high-tailed it out of there when the guy left. He was still in the shower? Darwin award there.

I'm surprised he wasn't charged with 1st degree murder. That's pre-meditation, going to get your gun, failing to call the police, and purposely going in to kill the naked man in the shower.
Naked man is HIS shower in HIS home.

Nope...in a property next to his home...

burns07 · Guru

the details are somewhat sketchy for sure--normally, if you leave and then return without informing the authorities during the interval and you're not using deadly force to protect yourself or someone else, then it's murder--though, am not agreeing here as don't have all the information

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Damn, that dude was stupid. He should have high-tailed it out of there when the guy left. He was still in the shower? Darwin award there.

I'm surprised he wasn't charged with 1st degree murder. That's pre-meditation, going to get your gun, failing to call the police, and purposely going in to kill the naked man in the shower.
Naked man is HIS shower in HIS home.

This may be your disconnect - you need to read the OP more closely. It absolutely was not in his HOME. He left and went home to get his gun. This was in a property he uses for business that is next door to his home. He went to work and found the guy, LEFT, retrieved his gun from his home, came back and shot him. He was not in danger, he was not protecting his home, and he had plenty of opportunity to call the police.

Mary Zombie · Guru

Did he own the property? If so it's an extension of his home. Like a guest house that you own.
I'd like to get more info about the logistics.

Don't get me wrong, I'd have called 911 and had him hauled off but that's without knowing the whole story yet.

-- Edited by Mary Zombie on Monday 3rd of April 2017 01:32:03 PM

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Was it his property? I guess that is the real question. If not then why are they calling him the homeowner?

Ohfour · Hooker

Mary Zombie wrote:
Did he own the property? If so it's an extension of his home. Like a guest house that you own.
I'd like to get more info about the logistics.

Don't get me wrong, I'd have called 911 and had him hauled off but that's without knowing the whole story yet.

-- Edited by Mary Zombie on Monday 3rd of April 2017 01:32:03 PM

That doesn't mean he has the right to shoot someone that is not a threat. And the guy in the shower was not a threat. And he knew it.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Was it his property? I guess that is the real question. If not then why are they calling him the homeowner?

It was a house. He did not live in it, but he did own it. He lived in a different house. He ran a business out of this house that is next door to his house.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

If he owns it, it is his property. Why didnt' the intruder LEAVE?

Ohfour · Hooker

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
If he owns it, it is his property. Why didnt' the intruder LEAVE?

Doesn't matter. He was not a threat. Now, if he had come out of the shower and chased the guy to his house, that would have been different. The guy went home, came back, and shot him. He does not have the right to do that.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

It absolutely does matter. He broke into PRIVATE property. It absolutely matters.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

You are really going to defend someone breaking and entering into someone's home and helping himself to whatever? Wow.

Tinydancer · Guru

Yes it matters but still doesn't give him the right to murder an unarmed naked man.

Ohfour · Hooker

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
You are really going to defend someone breaking and entering into someone's home and helping himself to whatever? Wow.

Yep. The man had no right whatsoever to kill him. He was not in danger, quite the opposite. He's a threat to all legal gun owners everywhere. You do NOT kill a person that is obviously not a threat.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

You keep saying he wasnt in danger. How do you know that? He could have lunged at him to choke him, etc. Bare hands can kill people too. They had words. The naked man knew that he was seen. He could have left when the homeowner left. Why didn't he?

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Maybe more of these perps will think twice before breaking in if more homeowners fight back.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Yeah, someone naked in my shower, i would shoot them. Well, unless it was Brad Pitt, then maybe not.

TOTALLY GEEKED!

Homeowner who shot dead intruder he found taking a SHOWER in his bathroom is charged with murder

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