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flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

RE: Homeowner who shot dead intruder he found taking a SHOWER in his bathroom is charged with murder

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Well, doesnt' really matter. He had the opportunity to run away and he didn't.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
You keep saying he wasnt in danger. How do you know that? He could have lunged at him to choke him, etc. Bare hands can kill people too. They had words. The naked man knew that he was seen. He could have left when the homeowner left. Why didn't he?

Because the man LEFT and was able to go to his own home where he had a gun. Then he went BACK and shot him. He was not in danger in his own home, he had every opportunity to call the police, and instead, he went purposefully hunting.

Fort Worth Mom · Mod/Penguin lover/Princess!

LGS, for goodness sake! If you ever come home, and see that the door has been forced open.

Don't even go in the house!

Get back in your car, drive a safe distance away, and call the police.

Now, if you're in the house, and hear a door come crashing in.

Grab your gun, and shoot the scum!

Different situations call for different reactions.

In the OP...good grief!

I don't think either one of them had the good sense God gave a goose!

JMHO.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I didn't say I would go back. However, he stayed on the property after breaking and entering. I don't think he will get convicted. We shall see.

Ohfour · Hooker

You keep asking questions and we keep answering the same ones over and over.

So I ask you this. Why didn't the homeowner just call the cops once he was off the property. Why did he go back later and shoot him. That's premeditated...

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Ok.

Gaga, I have seen you post on threads where homeowners were in real danger, or what they preceven as real danger, and say the home owner had no right to shoot.

But here, where a guy left, got his gun and came back, you are all for it.

You obviously did not read your own OP, and you want to argue, but you really don't know what you are arguing.

IF you have the ability to leave, you are not in danger.

Plain and simple.

This was murder.

Mary Zombie · Guru

I should probably that it's murder but I am so sick of excuses being made for criminals that I have to say I'm not sorry the guy got shot.
The sense of entitlement to break into someone else's property and help yourself and still don't leave when you had a warning the first time the owner entered. That's some chutzpah right there and not in a good way.
Maybe this will be a warning for the next idiot thinking of pulling a stunt like his.

Who am I kidding probably not. The teen that shot the three robbers that broke into their house with an AR 15? The robbers grandfather says he had an unfair advantage
He shot 3 robbers who invaded his family home. 3 to 1
Oy. It's another case but this is the mentality I'm freakin sick of it.

-- Edited by Mary Zombie on Monday 3rd of April 2017 04:23:20 PM

-- Edited by Mary Zombie on Monday 3rd of April 2017 04:24:08 PM

Lindley · Guru

Mary Zombie wrote:
I should probably that it's murder but I am so sick of excuses being made for criminals that I have to say I'm not sorry the guy got shot.
The sense of entitlement to break into someone else's property and help yourself and still don't leave when you had a warning the first time the owner entered. That's some chutzpah right there and not in a good way.
Maybe this will be a warning for the next idiot thinking of pulling a stunt like his.

Who am I kidding probably not. The teen that shot the three robbers that broke into their house with an AR 15? The robbers grandfather says he had an unfair advantage
He shot 3 robbers who invaded his family home. 3 to 1
Oy. It's another case but this is the mentality I'm freakin sick of it.

-- Edited by Mary Zombie on Monday 3rd of April 2017 04:23:20 PM

-- Edited by Mary Zombie on Monday 3rd of April 2017 04:24:08 PM

I heard that, maybe if his grandson was made to get a job instead of invading people's homes with knives and knuckle rings with intent to do harm he would still be alive.

Even that doesn't bring joy to my heart but the family member had a right to protect his parents and himself.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

I don't see anyone making excuses for the criminal. But 2 wrongs don't make a right. And when you are not in danger, it's not ok to deliberately plan to kill people, even criminals. We have police and a justice system for a reason. This man played judge, jury and executioner - and that is not right.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Mary Zombie wrote:
I should probably that it's murder but I am so sick of excuses being made for criminals that I have to say I'm not sorry the guy got shot.
The sense of entitlement to break into someone else's property and help yourself and still don't leave when you had a warning the first time the owner entered. That's some chutzpah right there and not in a good way.
Maybe this will be a warning for the next idiot thinking of pulling a stunt like his.

Who am I kidding probably not. The teen that shot the three robbers that broke into their house with an AR 15? The robbers grandfather says he had an unfair advantage
He shot 3 robbers who invaded his family home. 3 to 1
Oy. It's another case but this is the mentality I'm freakin sick of it.

-- Edited by Mary Zombie on Monday 3rd of April 2017 04:23:20 PM

-- Edited by Mary Zombie on Monday 3rd of April 2017 04:24:08 PM

Such a different situation it is not comparable.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

lilyofcourse wrote:
Ok.

Gaga, I have seen you post on threads where homeowners were in real danger, or what they preceven as real danger, and say the home owner had no right to shoot.

But here, where a guy left, got his gun and came back, you are all for it.

You obviously did not read your own OP, and you want to argue, but you really don't know what you are arguing.
IF you have the ability to leave, you are not in danger.
Plain and simple.
This was murder.

Exactly. I remember clearly when the man shot that kid in his house he caught sneaking into his daughter's room, Gaga was all for him being charged, how dare he shoot the kid, etc.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Well, doesnt' really matter. He had the opportunity to run away and he didn't.

Yes, by all means, breaking in and taking a shower in an empty house (that no one lives in) deserves an instant death penalty.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Let the whole story come out.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Are you new here? And since when is that your stance?

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I gave you my opinion 6 ways to Sunday. What else do u want?

Mary Zombie · Guru

It is comparable that in both cases there are some sympathizing with the criminal tgat broke into someone else's house.
I think the guy should have called the police but the guy was an idiot for not leaving
Darwinism

karl271 · Guru

I got a chuckle out of Lily's post that they might have been lovers, but it got me to thinking. The guy in the shower did not leave which makes me think the two of them may have known each other (not necessarily lovers) and that is why the guy did not leave.

I wonder if any drugs or alcohol were involved. Must be more to this story.

Lindley · Guru

That may be true karl.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
You are really going to defend someone breaking and entering into someone's home and helping himself to whatever? Wow.

But he didn't have to defend himself. That is the point. He had plenty of opportunity to call the police when he left to get his gun and let the police take care of the intruder. You don't get to confront someone with a gun even on your own property when you safely left the premises. WOW

WYSIWYG · Guru

I firmly believe in Castle Doctrine, but I also believe in a little common sense.

This was murder. Plain and simple. You don't get to leave one building, go to another, collect a weapon, return, and then shoot someone. Castle Doctrine says you have more right to be in your property if you are already there and don't leave.

Had he been carrying when he found the man in the shower, and shot him then, without pause - it could be arguably called a "good shoot". This stinks to high heaven.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

It stinks to high heaven that the intruder didn't LEAVE .

FNW · Guru

karl271 wrote:
I got a chuckle out of Lily's post that they might have been lovers, but it got me to thinking. The guy in the shower did not leave which makes me think the two of them may have known each other (not necessarily lovers) and that is why the guy did not leave.

I wonder if any drugs or alcohol were involved. Must be more to this story.

I think you both are on to something.....

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Mary Zombie wrote:
It is comparable that in both cases there are some sympathizing with the criminal tgat broke into someone else's house.
I think the guy should have called the police but the guy was an idiot for not leaving
Darwinism

Please show me where anyone sympathized with the criminal. Saying the shooting was wrong and committed murder does not mean that it excuses the behavior of the other criminal, either.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

Lawyerlady wrote:
Are you new here? And since when is that your stance?

Hold the phone! I thought you reserved that comment for me. hmm

Cheerios4606 · Guru

burns07 · Guru

well, we don't have all the facts but would seem from what's being reported that was nearly a textbook case for escaping unharmed and calling the cavalry and letting them do their job

chef · Guru

Frankly, the intruder was somewhere he had no business being. I don't think he should've been killed in this case but I also can't drum up much sympathy for him.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Well said.

Fort Worth Mom · Mod/Penguin lover/Princess!

And, the Property Owner had enough time to, leave.

Go next door. Get a gun. (Not call the police.)

And, come back and shoot the intruder to death.

I can't drum up much sympathy for the charges he's going to face, either.

He was pissed. And he took the law into his own hands.

A bad choice, on his part.

chef · Guru

I can't drum up much sympathy for the homeowner/property owner either. He overreacted. Neither party is innocent, in my book. Fact is though, this wouldn't have happened had the intruder not been where he shouldn't have been anyway.

Fort Worth Mom · Mod/Penguin lover/Princess!

chef wrote:
I can't drum up much sympathy for the homeowner/property owner either. He overreacted. Neither party is innocent, in my book. Fact is though, this wouldn't have happened had the intruder not been where he shouldn't have been anyway.

I understand what you mean, chef.

This shouldn't have happened.

I guess there must be more, to this story.

(Not that we'll ever hear it. It's just so odd.)

And so wrong, all the way around.

chef · Guru

Fort Worth Mom wrote:
chef wrote:
I can't drum up much sympathy for the homeowner/property owner either. He overreacted. Neither party is innocent, in my book. Fact is though, this wouldn't have happened had the intruder not been where he shouldn't have been anyway.
I understand what you mean, chef.
This shouldn't have happened.
I guess there must be more, to this story.
(Not that we'll ever hear it. It's just so odd.)
And so wrong, all the way around.

I'd love to hear the rest of the story. The part we have, both sides stink.

Fort Worth Mom · Mod/Penguin lover/Princess!

chef wrote:
Fort Worth Mom wrote:
chef wrote:
I can't drum up much sympathy for the homeowner/property owner either. He overreacted. Neither party is innocent, in my book. Fact is though, this wouldn't have happened had the intruder not been where he shouldn't have been anyway.
I understand what you mean, chef.
This shouldn't have happened.
I guess there must be more, to this story.
(Not that we'll ever hear it. It's just so odd.)
And so wrong, all the way around.
I'd love to hear the rest of the story. The part we have, both sides stink.

Yes.

Wrong, all the way around.

I'd like to hear how it all pans out.

(I won't hold my breath...so many times, we don't hear the outcome.)