TOTALLY GEEKED!

Ohfour · Hooker

Pence's Marriage

Ilumine · Regular

Ohfour wrote:
Ilumine wrote:
Forever Sunshine wrote:
I say, "Kudos" to VP Pence for having the wherewithall to make this choice. This isn't about trust between a husband and wife. It's about knowing there are people out there who are willing to compromise their own integrity, the ****-stirrers of the world, in order to cause trouble and start something that isn't there.

This probably wouldn't be an issue for the regular "joes" of the world but when someone is in a high-powered, highly visible position such as VP, AND knows there are millions of people out there who are already speaking out against you (general) in a hateful manner wanting nothing more than to cause problems and destroy you like the Dems have done since 20-Jan-17, I would make sure there is no way anyone could say anything.

And even with his doing the right thing, he's still crucified because those who want to do harm and cause trouble, turned this around to now mean something it doesn't. It proves to me that the ****-stirrers of the world are scum and will do anything to get what they want, even if it means destroying another human being at all cost.
So one backs down and personally offends perfectly honorable WOMAN because someone might stir some ****? That is somehow "right"?
Someone else pointed out that he could be President one day. How will he manage to do his job with other Heads of State or Diplomats if they happen to be women? How offensive to Angela Markel.

Oh please. All that has to happen is that someone else go along. Gosh, people can be so stupid.
This is a policy here...AT MY JOB. No closed door meeting between two people of the opposite sex. No lunches with just two people of the opposite sex. It hasn't affected our success in any way. There are lots of businesses here that have this policy. If you can't do your job without being alone with someone of the opposite sex, then you are not very good at your job...

Do not call me stupid because MY experiences in the actual arena where the OP occurs is the exact opposite of yours. Business lunches happen on the fly. You are in a meeting and want to continue the discussion with someone.

In your world, I would not be allowed to do my job effectively because I would have to either inconvenience the other male person (who would probably stop engaging with me if I continually pulled this with him) or just not have said meeting (again, this other person would probably stop interacting with me if I had to continually turn him down) because I didn't have one of my co-workers around?

And it is also NOT stupid of me to recognize that there are a number of jobs where one HAS to be alone in a closed door room with someone of the opposite sex. It happens every single day in the military. At every base, there are secure rooms that are locked and many times there are only two people of the opposite sex in the room. Servicemembers are actually forced to travel together with no regard to their gender OR sexual orientation.

The only stupid people here are those that seem to not recognize how the world really works.

Ohfour · Hooker

The world works just fine with the rules Pence has placed on himself. Myself and my company, and may others in my profession deal with it just fine. You sure do seem to be upset about it. I think that's telling...no one is asking you to do a damn thing. Get over yourself. This ain't about you toots...

Lindley · Guru

I understand that on occasion men and women work together alone. I just think people are making a way to big of deal about what Pence believes.

Ilumine · Regular

Lawyerlady wrote:
Ilumine wrote:
Can you imagine him trying to get support on a bill from Susan Collins after this claptrap? "I'm sorry Senator, I can't be alone in a room with you becusse you cant be trusted to not make up lies about me, but I need your vote on Bill XYZ"
"BEtsy, we think your the right person to run our Department of Education, but we have to make sure that we are never seated at a two-top table in a restaurant because being next to you in a crowded restaurant dishonors my wife"
If he has any female staffers at all and he is alone with them in his office even for a second, he is a hypocrite, but worse. Because this isn't not about being alone with women, it's about being alone with women of power...women who are equal.

You should ask Herman Cain. His political career was completely derailed by accusations. Not proof, mind you - but accusations.

Regardless, I think this is about respect for his wife, which I think more men in Washington need to have. And anyone who belittles him because of that is just beyond deplorable.

First of all Cain admitted to paying off at least one of his accusers. If he didn't do anything wrong, its his reaction of giving into Ginger White that just perpetuates the problem.

Secondly, even IF this does happen, why should millions of honest and hard working women not be allowed to do their jobs to the best of their ability (you know the same as another man) just because one or two women are despicable.

I mean, if you follow that logic, then the NRA needs to drop the whole "its the person, not the gun's fault" spiel. We don't hold all priests or ministers accountable for molestation do we?

Hell, there are a number of posters here who support President Trump even after he actually HAS said something disparaging about women and HAS cheated on his wife (he absolutely acknowledged that he chased on Ivana with Marla) and yet we are supposed to give him the benefit of the doubt.

But no...we cannot give a professional business woman the benefit of the doubt because some other woman did something wrong. How can you be this hypocritical?

Ohfour · Hooker

I know you're not talking about me being a hypocrite, since this is exactly how I live my life...carry on...

Ilumine · Regular

Ohfour wrote:
The world works just fine with the rules Pence has placed on himself. Myself and my company, and may others in my profession deal with it just fine. You sure do seem to be upset about it. I think that's telling...no one is asking you to do a damn thing. Get over yourself. This ain't about you toots...

I love how you use condescension and deflection instead of acknowledging what I posted.

My point isn't that it works in your little world, but that it does not work in every corner of the world. So I have to wonder why my factual points bother you to the point you need to call me names.

Ohfour · Hooker

Ilumine wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
The world works just fine with the rules Pence has placed on himself. Myself and my company, and may others in my profession deal with it just fine. You sure do seem to be upset about it. I think that's telling...no one is asking you to do a damn thing. Get over yourself. This ain't about you toots...
I love how you use condescension and deflection instead of acknowledging what I posted.

My point isn't that it works in your little world, but that it does not work in every corner of the world. So I have to wonder why my factual points bother you to the point you need to call me names.

Nothing works in every corner of the world. Your facts are not facts. Pence makes it work, Billy Graham makes it work, many people I know make it work. To say that it is impossible is not a fact, its you being angry for some perceived slight. Again, this not about you. This is about the way a husband respects his wife. Why does that make you so angry?

FNW · Guru

I think we all know what lengths lobbyists will go to in order to seal the deal. I don't think that's a very good example of morals.

And I do not see where Pence would not agree to meet with women alone. I saw where he refused to dine alone with them in a restaurant. Either way, kudos to him for putting his marriage above reproach.

-- Edited by FNW on Tuesday 4th of April 2017 10:39:55 AM

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Ohfour wrote:
Whatever. It works for people that don't have a chip on their shoulders. Looking for something to bitch about.

This!

I am so sick and tired of the "but the woman" cry.

I wouldn't go to meetings along with ANYONE, male or female.

Like I said, extra ears.

It doesn't hinder anyone's job to grab an intern or assistant to come along.

FNW · Guru

I've been dragged to meetings (by men) because they didn't want to go alone. I was their back-up ears. It's not unusual.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Right?

It just makes sense.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Ilumine wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Ilumine wrote:
Can you imagine him trying to get support on a bill from Susan Collins after this claptrap? "I'm sorry Senator, I can't be alone in a room with you becusse you cant be trusted to not make up lies about me, but I need your vote on Bill XYZ"
"BEtsy, we think your the right person to run our Department of Education, but we have to make sure that we are never seated at a two-top table in a restaurant because being next to you in a crowded restaurant dishonors my wife"
If he has any female staffers at all and he is alone with them in his office even for a second, he is a hypocrite, but worse. Because this isn't not about being alone with women, it's about being alone with women of power...women who are equal.

You should ask Herman Cain. His political career was completely derailed by accusations. Not proof, mind you - but accusations.

Regardless, I think this is about respect for his wife, which I think more men in Washington need to have. And anyone who belittles him because of that is just beyond deplorable.
First of all Cain admitted to paying off at least one of his accusers. If he didn't do anything wrong, its his reaction of giving into Ginger White that just perpetuates the problem.

Secondly, even IF this does happen, why should millions of honest and hard working women not be allowed to do their jobs to the best of their ability (you know the same as another man) just because one or two women are despicable.

I mean, if you follow that logic, then the NRA needs to drop the whole "its the person, not the gun's fault" spiel. We don't hold all priests or ministers accountable for molestation do we?

Hell, there are a number of posters here who support President Trump even after he actually HAS said something disparaging about women and HAS cheated on his wife (he absolutely acknowledged that he chased on Ivana with Marla) and yet we are supposed to give him the benefit of the doubt.

But no...we cannot give a professional business woman the benefit of the doubt because some other woman did something wrong. How can you be this hypocritical?

This is not about professional women. This is about Pence. He is a devout Christian and the Bible teaches us to avoid even the appearance of impropriety even when it is completely innocent. This is about him respecting his wife and his marriage and following his beliefs. You and everyone else are making this about something it is not and you are belittling him in the process.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

He's risen to become the VP of the United States. So obviously, he has found a way to make this work in the business world.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
Lindley wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Religion has no place in politics. Pence never understood that in Indiana, either.

flan
Pence was talking about practicing his beliefs about marriage to his wife not politics.
BUT his chosen career is a politician.
flan

So? That still comes third to God and family.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Think we found a vagina hat wearer.....

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

WYSIWYG wrote:
As vice president, it's part of his job to meet with people. Some of them will be women. I see this as a problem for him.

I support his view on this as a person, but I don't think it's an idea that the Vice President of The United States should adhere to. By all means leave the door open to the office if there are women present, or only have lunch in crowded restaurants (I understand that Trump has a restaurant in the converted Post Office / Hotel, maybe he can get a table there?). But he shouldn't exclude the possibility of him being one-on-one with women, like ever. At least not so long as he has this position in government.

How? The Vice-President is rarely going to be meeting alone with ANYONE.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Ilumine wrote:
Forever Sunshine wrote:
I say, "Kudos" to VP Pence for having the wherewithall to make this choice. This isn't about trust between a husband and wife. It's about knowing there are people out there who are willing to compromise their own integrity, the ****-stirrers of the world, in order to cause trouble and start something that isn't there.

This probably wouldn't be an issue for the regular "joes" of the world but when someone is in a high-powered, highly visible position such as VP, AND knows there are millions of people out there who are already speaking out against you (general) in a hateful manner wanting nothing more than to cause problems and destroy you like the Dems have done since 20-Jan-17, I would make sure there is no way anyone could say anything.

And even with his doing the right thing, he's still crucified because those who want to do harm and cause trouble, turned this around to now mean something it doesn't. It proves to me that the ****-stirrers of the world are scum and will do anything to get what they want, even if it means destroying another human being at all cost.
So one backs down and personally offends perfectly honorable WOMAN because someone might stir some ****? That is somehow "right"?
Someone else pointed out that he could be President one day. How will he manage to do his job with other Heads of State or Diplomats if they happen to be women? How offensive to Angela Markel.

How exactly? Did Trump meet ALONE with Markel? No, he did not. They just don't. There are always other people there.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

They just need to invent things to be beitch about apparently.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Ilumine wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
How offensive is Angela Markel to the Germans who have to live under her policies? Just saying!
Outside of your amazing bit of deflection, you can insert any woman Head of State. How would you feel if Pence decided that he just could not do business, even as VP with Margaret Thatcher, Golda Mier, Vigdis Finnbogadottiir, Corazon Aquino (who happened to campaign for a Republican even though she was head of her Liberal Party), or Park Geun-hey?
The reality is, not only is it NOT realistic to expect a man to never be alone with a woman other than his wife, it is thoroughly condescending to deny a woman her ability to do her job all because she does not have a penis. The Vice President is now setting a precedent that NO WOMAN can be trusted even at the highest levels of government, so why should any woman be trusted.
And honestly, when I was on the hill, I also ran my association's PAC. You better believe that I would not provide financial support to a Congressman who personally or who hired a staffer, who would not meet with me for a quick luncheon because I had a vagina, especially since my job was to support Military and VA health care for both men and women. I could not trust this Representative/Senator to do the right thing for all of my members if he couldn't even meet with me.

This is so ridiculous, I don't even know where to begin. How is not being alone with someone else an inability to get the job done? The President, the Vice-President, they are ALWAYS surrounded by people. They don't meet with anyone alone.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

lilyofcourse wrote:
Right?

It just makes sense.

I had NEVER heard of anything like this before this board.

It's just...I have no words...

Mature adults have meetings together.

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Right?

It just makes sense.

I had NEVER heard of anything like this before this board.
It's just...I have no words...
Mature adults have meetings together.
flan

This just has no meaning coming from you.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Ilumine wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
The world works just fine with the rules Pence has placed on himself. Myself and my company, and may others in my profession deal with it just fine. You sure do seem to be upset about it. I think that's telling...no one is asking you to do a damn thing. Get over yourself. This ain't about you toots...
I love how you use condescension and deflection instead of acknowledging what I posted.

My point isn't that it works in your little world, but that it does not work in every corner of the world. So I have to wonder why my factual points bother you to the point you need to call me names.

Thanks for trying. The points you make are logical, professional and mature.

I'm glad someone with your broad experience took the time to speak up.

flan

FNW · Guru

But seriously, I think at this point in Pence's career this is a non-issue, you know, with secret service nearby at all times. Dine away!

Ohfour · Hooker

Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Right?

It just makes sense.

I had NEVER heard of anything like this before this board.
It's just...I have no words...
Mature adults have meetings together.
flan
This just has no meaning coming from you.

So you had no idea that YOUR GOVERNOR held these beliefs? That's CLASSIC! Further proof that you are a low information voter.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

It's a sad, sad world when a man respecting and cherishing his wife and marriage is insulted and looked down upon.

Ohfour · Hooker

Lawyerlady wrote:
It's a sad, sad world when a man respecting and cherishing his wife and marriage is insulted and looked down upon.

That's liberalism for ya!

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
It's a sad, sad world when a man respecting and cherishing his wife and marriage is insulted and looked down upon.
That's liberalism for ya!

Way to misinterpret...

flan

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
It's a sad, sad world when a man respecting and cherishing his wife and marriage is insulted and looked down upon.
That's liberalism for ya!
Way to misinterpret...
flan

Liberals are the only ones that have a problem with this. You're contrived indignation is laughable, even though predictable...

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
It's a sad, sad world when a man respecting and cherishing his wife and marriage is insulted and looked down upon.
That's liberalism for ya!
Way to misinterpret...
flan

Says the woman that didn't even know the views of her governor. LOL!

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Right?

It just makes sense.

I had NEVER heard of anything like this before this board.
It's just...I have no words...
Mature adults have meetings together.
flan
This just has no meaning coming from you.
So you had no idea that YOUR GOVERNOR held these beliefs? That's CLASSIC! Further proof that you are a low information voter.

I have no idea how widely the article was circulated. Many Hoosiers were more concerned about "Periods for Pence."

And you were actually the one who mentioned it, as proof of how superior you were. It works for YOU, and that's fine. Millions of people in other professions function just fine without acting that way.

flan

Tinydancer · Guru

What the hell does Pence's marriage have to do with anyone but him and his wife? Do what you want in your marriage (even if it means cheating on your partner) and stop worrying about anyone else's.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

If it affects a person's JOB, that's when things change.

Just like baking wedding cakes...

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

FNW wrote:
But seriously, I think at this point in Pence's career this is a non-issue, you know, with secret service nearby at all times. Dine away!

Good point!

flan

Tinydancer · Guru

Did cheating affect your job? If you're going to call out others for what they do in their marriages maybe you can answer that question flannie.

-- Edited by Tinydancer on Tuesday 4th of April 2017 12:03:40 PM

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Right?

It just makes sense.

I had NEVER heard of anything like this before this board.
It's just...I have no words...
Mature adults have meetings together.
flan
This just has no meaning coming from you.
So you had no idea that YOUR GOVERNOR held these beliefs? That's CLASSIC! Further proof that you are a low information voter.
I have no idea how widely the article was circulated. Many Hoosiers were more concerned about "Periods for Pence."
And you were actually the one who mentioned it, as proof of how superior you were. It works for YOU, and that's fine. Millions of people in other professions function just fine without acting that way.
flan

It has nothing to do with being superior. It has to do with the way my husband and I respect each other. The fact that you take it as being superior shows how little you understand marriage.

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
If it affects a person's JOB, that's when things change.

Just like baking wedding cakes...

flan

It doesn't affect his job. No where in his job description does it say he has to dine alone with a woman.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
If it affects a person's JOB, that's when things change.

Just like baking wedding cakes...

flan
It doesn't affect his job. No where in his job description does it say he has to dine alone with a woman.

Illumine has already tried to explain the ways of the world to you.

flan

Tinydancer · Guru

Because only you and Illumine know the ways of the world?

FNW · Guru

Yes, the world according to a lobbyist. We are talking about morals, here. Not agendas.

Don't get me wrong, everyone wants what they want, and some are willing to compromise their morals to get it. Some are not. I can see how lobbyists might feel threatened by someone who puts their moral beliefs first.

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
If it affects a person's JOB, that's when things change.

Just like baking wedding cakes...

flan
It doesn't affect his job. No where in his job description does it say he has to dine alone with a woman.
Illumine has already tried to explain the ways of the world to you.
flan

Well, she is wrong. He was a House member, governor and now vice president. He has proven her wrong.

Honeys_Mom · Mod & Permanent Board Sweetheart

Anyone who knows Honey's Mom, knows I abhor arguing; I never see a real need or use for it, I guess. For me it's a waste of precious energy and I hate negativity; I have enough day-to-day negativity to endure without adding to it. But I AM going to weigh in on this issue, because I see that the opinions given so far have missed what I believe is the real crux of the matter, which is: We're arguing about two separate issues as though they're one and the same.

Issue 1: Pence won't 'have dinner alone with a woman other than his wife'. That's just a smart man who knows the opposing side is looking for anything and everything they can to make him and/or Trump look bad. Period.

Issue 2: Male/female workplace interaction should (in a perfect world) ignore gender - I agree!! And issue 2 is apples to oranges when speaking to issue 1! Men and woman have to work together all the time, sometimes side-by-side, often ALONE together. I'm one of them.

Dinner in a quiet, secluded restaurant (Issue 1) is completely different than meeting one-on-one in a conference room (Issue 2). Dinner in a crowded, well-populated DC-never-sleeps-always-working-on-politics kind of place is more of a conference room (Issue 2) than a tryst (Issue 1). BUT Pence also knows someone could easily take a picture of him in a crowded place and crop/shop it to appear to be something else - thus my agreement with him in the matter, especially in this day we're living in. He's being wise as opposed to misogynist, same as (I think it was) Billy Graham refusing to ever board an elevator alone with a woman other than his wife. He is simply avoiding a potential problem, having no good reason to take the risk - smart!

To my friends here who make it a practice to never meet alone with a member of the opposite sex while at work, I greatly respect you, and at times most definitely envy you for having the opportunity to work for a Christian-based organization. However, my life as a database analyst/developer does not allow for that option or luxury. Our company is not set up that way, nor will what is considered best practice and professionalism in my particular industry going to allow it. When I'm at the office I need to be simply a person with a brain, and leave the gender-specific stuff at home.

It's hard enough to be a woman in my VERY male-dominated industry without insisting that I'm never alone with a man. I'm entirely too familiar with all the male insecurities and attractions a woman on an otherwise all-male crew experiences. Am I to add to that a necessity that I never be alone with a male? I'm sorry, that is simply balderdash in my situation. I, and my male coworkers, need to be more mature and secure than that. Have I had to field passes over the years? Sure. BTW, it puts them down pretty quick when I start to talk about Jesus, LOL. Have I wished things were different? YES, but I work in the world - things like this happen. Things like this make me stronger.

Back to Pence: Is he discriminating against women by his dinner-alone-only-with-wife choice? NO. Do I have to meet alone with a man often? Yes. Are the issues one and the same? Absolutely not.

Lastly, does Honey's Mom wish the Geeks would ALL be kinder and more respectful to each other, choosing to act out either the maturity and knowledge they possess and/or the Christianity they proclaim? I suspect ya'll know the answer to THAT question... my kudos to everyone who has avoided any nastiness in their posts in this (actually very interesting) thread.

Lindley · Guru

Honeys_Mom wrote:
Anyone who knows Honey's Mom, knows I abhor arguing; I never see a real need or use for it, I guess. For me it's a waste of precious energy and I hate negativity; I have enough day-to-day negativity to endure without adding to it. But I AM going to weigh in on this issue, because I see that the opinions given so far have missed what I believe is the real crux of the matter, which is: We're arguing about two separate issues as though they're one and the same.
Issue 1: Pence won't 'have dinner alone with a woman other than his wife'. That's just a smart man who knows the opposing side is looking for anything and everything they can to make him and/or Trump look bad. Period.
Issue 2: Male/female workplace interaction should (in a perfect world) ignore gender - I agree!! And issue 2 is apples to oranges when speaking to issue 1! Men and woman have to work together all the time, sometimes side-by-side, often ALONE together. I'm one of them.
Dinner in a quiet, secluded restaurant (Issue 1) is completely different than meeting one-on-one in a conference room (Issue 2). Dinner in a crowded, well-populated DC-never-sleeps-always-working-on-politics kind of place is more of a conference room (Issue 2) than a tryst (Issue 1). BUT Pence also knows someone could easily take a picture of him in a crowded place and crop/shop it to appear to be something else - thus my agreement with him in the matter, especially in this day we're living in. He's being wise as opposed to misogynist, same as (I think it was) Billy Graham refusing to ever board an elevator alone with a woman other than his wife. He is simply avoiding a potential problem, having no good reason to take the risk - smart!
To my friends here who make it a practice to never meet alone with a member of the opposite sex while at work, I greatly respect you, and at times most definitely envy you for having the opportunity to work for a Christian-based organization. However, my life as a database analyst/developer does not allow for that option or luxury. Our company is not set up that way, nor will what is considered best practice and professionalism in my particular industry going to allow it. When I'm at the office I need to be simply a person with a brain, and leave the gender-specific stuff at home.
It's hard enough to be a woman in my VERY male-dominated industry without insisting that I'm never alone with a man. I'm entirely too familiar with all the male insecurities and attractions a woman on an otherwise all-male crew experiences. Am I to add to that a necessity that I never be alone with a male? I'm sorry, that is simply balderdash in my situation. I, and my male coworkers, need to be more mature and secure than that. Have I had to field passes over the years? Sure. BTW, it puts them down pretty quick when I start to talk about Jesus, LOL. Have I wished things were different? YES, but I work in the world - things like this happen. Things like this make me stronger.
Back to Pence: Is he discriminating against women by his dinner-alone-only-with-wife choice? NO. Do I have to meet alone with a man often? Yes. Are the issues one and the same? Absolutely not.
Lastly, does Honey's Mom wish the Geeks would ALL be kinder and more respectful to each other, choosing to act out either the maturity and knowledge they possess and/or the Christianity they proclaim? I suspect ya'll know the answer to THAT question... my kudos to everyone who has avoided any nastiness in their posts in this (actually very interesting) thread.

Well said 👍

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

I agree that they are completely different issues. Pence choosing not to have dinner alone with other women does not have anything to do with slamming professional women.

I'm a professional woman. I've never had dinner alone with a male client - always I've had someone else there, either my husband, my boss, the client's wife, etc. - it has never been an issue. I used to have lunch alone with an elderly male client before he died, but he was like a father figure, and my husband and he knew each other and got along well.

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

A public figure honors his wife and people take offense?

Slap my balls and kiss my schitlin's.

FNW · Guru

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO @ czech!

Cheerios4606 · Guru

you have balls? lol!

burns07 · Guru

The only stupid people here are those that seem to not recognize how the world really works.
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you obviously haven't seen much of how the world really works

Ohfour · Hooker

Here's the thing. He's not trying to make this law. This is something that he and his wife find acceptable. Aren't liberals always talking about staying out of people's marriages? Why don't you stay out of his? This is none of your business...

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

burns07 wrote:

The only stupid people here are those that seem to not recognize how the world really works.
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you obviously haven't seen much of how the world really works

LMAO

Your "world" is not reality. Reality has a Shift key.

flan