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Ohfour · Hooker

Pence's Marriage

Lindley · Guru

If Clinton practiced have of what Pence follows he wouldn't have been involved with monica, Jennifer flowers and several other women.

What Clintons followers said at that point was it was between him and hillary. Why would Pence not be able to govern because of his beliefs but Clinton can?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

I much prefer a man in office that respects his wife and honors his marriage than a sleeze that cheats on his wife and sleeps with his employees.

FNW · Guru

My old boss was like that. He would bring his wife to luncheons. Probably because alcohol was available. We still get together even though he retired several years ago. His wife comes along. She's a wonderful woman and I enjoy seeing her as much as I enjoy seeing him. If he came in to my office to visit and wanted to close the door, he would remain at the door with one hand on the door. I appreciated that. Particularly because our offices are small.

WYSIWYG · Guru

How? The Vice-President is rarely going to be meeting alone with ANYONE.
- Lawyerlady

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How what? I'm not sure about what you are questioning.

If you are questioning how him not meeting privately with women could affect his capabilities as Vice-President, here is one example: As Vice-President, he holds the tie-breaking vote in the Senate. Because of that, there is a legitimate chance that female senators may need to meet with him, to sway his vote one way or the other. There is no need for a chaperone if the meeting is over legitimate government business, and no chaperone would even be considered if the Senator was male.

WYSIWYG · Guru

What about his subordinate staffers.

This is a list of Mike Pence's current Vice-Presidential staff:

Chief of Staff to the Vice President: Josh Pit****
Counsel to the Vice President: Mark Paoletta
Assistant to the Vice President for Intergovernmental Affairs and Public Liaison: Sarah Makin
Assistant to the Vice President and Director of Communications: Jarrod Agen
Deputy Chief of Staff to the Vice President: Jen Pavlik
Policy Director to the Second Lady: Sara Egeland
National Security Adviser to the Vice President: Andrea Thompson
Chief of Staff to the Second Lady: Kristan King Nevins
Director of Administration for the Office of the Vice President: Mike Boisvenue
Domestic Policy Adviser to the Vice President: Daris Meeks
Press Secretary to the Vice President: Marc Lotte
Director of Legislative Affairs: Jonathan Hiler
Director of Communications for the Second Lady: Kara Brooks

By my count there are 6 women on his own staff, or that report to him in some fashion, that he can't meet alone with, including his National Security Advisor.

How can he do his job if he can't meet privately with his National Security Advisor?

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

He can.

You assume privately means no one else in the room.

I doubt there is ever a time he is ever the only other person in the room.

Tinydancer · Guru

But if that's true (which it is) then they would have no reason to get their panties in a bunch because of a Christian VP. Pretty much every President and Vice President has been a Christian but it's only a problem for Pence I guess.

FNW · Guru

I don't see where Pence said he would meet a woman in private. Just that he won't dine alone with one. I think concluding he won't meet one in private is a bit of a stretch.

Ohfour · Hooker

WYSIWYG wrote:
What about his subordinate staffers.

This is a list of Mike Pence's current Vice-Presidential staff:

Chief of Staff to the Vice President: Josh Pit****
Counsel to the Vice President: Mark Paoletta
Assistant to the Vice President for Intergovernmental Affairs and Public Liaison: Sarah Makin
Assistant to the Vice President and Director of Communications: Jarrod Agen
Deputy Chief of Staff to the Vice President: Jen Pavlik
Policy Director to the Second Lady: Sara Egeland
National Security Adviser to the Vice President: Andrea Thompson
Chief of Staff to the Second Lady: Kristan King Nevins
Director of Administration for the Office of the Vice President: Mike Boisvenue
Domestic Policy Adviser to the Vice President: Daris Meeks
Press Secretary to the Vice President: Marc Lotte
Director of Legislative Affairs: Jonathan Hiler
Director of Communications for the Second Lady: Kara Brooks

By my count there are 6 women on his own staff, or that report to him in some fashion, that he can't meet alone with, including his National Security Advisor.

How can he do his job if he can't meet privately with his National Security Advisor?

No one said he couldn't meet privately. He said that he will not dine alone with a woman. Quite the stretch to refusing to meet with a woman, don't you think?

Divine Geek · Guru

I thought I missed something about not having meetings with women.

I also don't think it means that he won't order take-out when a work session runs long. I think using the term "dine" is important. He will not share an intimate meal with a woman other than his wife. At least, that's my take.

Forever Sunshine · Guru

As a woman, with a vagina (albeit inactive lol), I certainly don't view this issue as Pence saying a woman can't do her job just because she has a vagina and he won't dine alone with her in a restaurant. I think some are just looking to make a big deal out of this because some are still not over the fact that they lost the election and their side didn't win.

It's a sad state of affairs when people jump . . . no leap . . . to conclusions as far gone as some are suggesting here. Pence is honoring his wife by not dining alone in a restaurant, with another woman other than his wife. I think it's admirable and more men should honor their wives like this. It has nothing to do with the battle between vaginas and penises. This is such a stretch, even for the left.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Divine Geek wrote:
I thought I missed something about not having meetings with women.

I also don't think it means that he won't order take-out when a work session runs long. I think using the term "dine" is important. He will not share an intimate meal with a woman other than his wife. At least, that's my take.

"...intimate?"

It's just dinner at a restaurant.

flan

Divine Geek · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Divine Geek wrote:
I thought I missed something about not having meetings with women.

I also don't think it means that he won't order take-out when a work session runs long. I think using the term "dine" is important. He will not share an intimate meal with a woman other than his wife. At least, that's my take.
"...intimate?"
It's just dinner at a restaurant.
flan

That is exactly my point. He does not want to share an intimate meal with someone other than his wife.

I'm really not sure what was unclear about my interpretation

Tinydancer · Guru

I bet that's what your husbands wife thought.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

WYSIWYG wrote:
How? The Vice-President is rarely going to be meeting alone with ANYONE.
- Lawyerlady

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How what? I'm not sure about what you are questioning.

If you are questioning how him not meeting privately with women could affect his capabilities as Vice-President, here is one example: As Vice-President, he holds the tie-breaking vote in the Senate. Because of that, there is a legitimate chance that female senators may need to meet with him, to sway his vote one way or the other. There is no need for a chaperone if the meeting is over legitimate government business, and no chaperone would even be considered if the Senator was male.

And there is no need to go out to dinner to discuss that. And there is no need to meet alone. They can be in his office with his door open, or the secret service present, or his assistant present. It's actually much better that the meetings are in the open for everyone involved. And since it seems that the Democratic party likes to get women to claim sexual assault where there is none, there is no way in hell, as a man in Washington, I'd meet alone behind closed doors with any woman I didn't trust.

-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Wednesday 5th of April 2017 10:17:25 AM

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Forever Sunshine wrote:
As a woman, with a vagina (albeit inactive lol), I certainly don't view this issue as Pence saying a woman can't do her job just because she has a vagina and he won't dine alone with her in a restaurant. I think some are just looking to make a big deal out of this because some are still not over the fact that they lost the election and their side didn't win.

It's a sad state of affairs when people jump . . . no leap . . . to conclusions as far gone as some are suggesting here. Pence is honoring his wife by not dining alone in a restaurant, with another woman other than his wife. I think it's admirable and more men should honor their wives like this. It has nothing to do with the battle between vaginas and penises. This is such a stretch, even for the left.

I agree with this.

burns07 · Guru

he respects his marriage and honors his wife--end of story--nothing to see here

he wouldn't have gotten this far in life(and in his career)if his morals were an impediment to his effectiveness

he's not some janitor or unemployed librarian, he's the Vice President

Cheerios4606 · Guru

I am rather proud of him for standing up for what he believes in, and that is honoring to his wife.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

burns07 wrote:

he respects his marriage and honors his wife--end of story--nothing to see here

he wouldn't have gotten this far in life(and in his career)if his morals were an impediment to his effectiveness

he's not some janitor or unemployed librarian, he's the Vice President

And I am NOT a used-car salesman...

flan

Tinydancer · Guru

What the hell does that have to do with anything?

Forever Sunshine · Guru

Tinydancer wrote:
What the hell does that have to do with anything?

This is flan you're asking; when does she ever make sense?

Tinydancer · Guru

It was her jab at burns. You know, because she's so much better. Although I thought she just got fired so she may end up a used car salesman. She can only hope to be as good at it as burns.

-- Edited by Tinydancer on Wednesday 5th of April 2017 02:47:57 PM

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Jealous much?

flan

WYSIWYG · Guru

No one said he couldn't meet privately. He said that he will not dine alone with a woman. Quite the stretch to refusing to meet with a woman, don't you think?
- Ohfour

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I don't think it's a stretch at all. What's the difference between a work lunch and a work meeting, other than food? Nothing.

WYSIWYG · Guru

I also don't think it means that he won't order take-out when a work session runs long. I think using the term "dine" is important. He will not share an intimate meal with a woman other than his wife. At least, that's my take.
- Divine Geek

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My take on it is that there's nothing intimate about a meal unless the participants make it intimate. Just like two people in a room together. Nothing intimate unless they make it intimate.

So he can have intimate meals with his wife, and business meals he can have solo with women that he needs to meet with. Problem solved without sexism or dishonoring his vows.

WYSIWYG · Guru

He does not want to share an intimate meal with someone other than his wife.

I'm really not sure what was unclear about my interpretation
- Divine Geek

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For me what was unclear was how you jumped from "dinner" to "intimate meal". The two terms are not interchangeable.

Just to pick two possible people he might have occasion to dine with and create a scenario: Is it an "intimate meal" if he's sharing it with Speaker Paul Ryan, or is it just dinner? If it's not an "intimate meal" with him, why would it be one with Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi?

Tinydancer · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Jealous much?

flan

Of you?...hahahahahaha

Being an unemployed librarian is not what most would aspire to. Why did you brings burns job into it? Did it make you feel superior? Keep pretending you're this sweet little old lady and I'll keep pointing out how you actually behave.

Forever Sunshine · Guru

Here's how I see it . . . not going to dinner with a woman, other than his wife, alone in a restaurant isn't about an intimate meal or any sort of impropriety going on between them. I'm sure if a dinner happened, the two parties involved would know exactly what the dinner meeting was about. It isn't about the two parties involved in the dinner. It's about the restaurant filled with other patrons who, and we all know at least one, will perceive the dinner between the two parties to be something it's not because Americans thrive on gossip and rumor mongering. The fact that it's power players in Washington such as the VP and a female makes the situation all the more vulnerable. All it takes is for one person to spread a rumor and not only is the man's career jeopardized, but so is his marriage. It doesn't matter that the luncheon or dinner was totally harmless and innocent. What matters is public opinion and how the dinner is perceived by the public.

Just one, just one person witnessing the dinner can destroy everything with a well-placed rumor. For anyone to think this couldn't happen is just a tad naive and not very worldly. This sort of stuff happens all the time. For VP Pence to want to avoid being in any situation that could place him at risk from anyone wishing to do harm to him in this manner is just smart on his part.

FNW · Guru

I once had a boss take me to lunch so he could tell me I was being laid off. I started to cry, and realized the other patrons probably thought we were breaking up. We had a good laugh about that. But it just goes to show, appearances matter.

Tinydancer · Guru

WYSIWYG wrote:
He does not want to share an intimate meal with someone other than his wife.

I'm really not sure what was unclear about my interpretation
- Divine Geek

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For me what was unclear was how you jumped from "dinner" to "intimate meal". The two terms are not interchangeable.

Just to pick two possible people he might have occasion to dine with and create a scenario: Is it an "intimate meal" if he's sharing it with Speaker Paul Ryan, or is it just dinner? If it's not an "intimate meal" with him, why would it be one with Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi?

Because a lot of women are not above falsely accusing powerful men. He doesn't want even the possibility of Hillary's supporters accusing him of this because even if it's not true his career would be ruined. Just like the many other Republican men they've done it too. Ever notice Democrats just continue on their merry way even when caught red handed whiles Republicans are run out of town?

FNW · Guru

See, I think it's more than just about his career. I had never heard of such a "rule" when lived in So. Cal. But back then, affairs were quite common, particularly in the industry I worked in. When I moved to WV, I befriended a Christian man and his wife who were married for almost 20 years. They were also marriage counselors in their church. He told me that a husband never puts himself in a position where he has to deal with temptation or the appearance of it. They just don't. They aren't tempted, because they don't allow themselves to come close to it. I think this is more about that with Pence.

Tinydancer · Guru

I think it's his marriage and he can do what works for him. If this actually got in his way he wouldn't be VP of the US. I notice it only bothers the atheist. I wonder why that is?

Mary Zombie · Guru

flan327 wrote:
burns07 wrote:

he respects his marriage and honors his wife--end of story--nothing to see here

he wouldn't have gotten this far in life(and in his career)if his morals were an impediment to his effectiveness

he's not some janitor or unemployed librarian, he's the Vice President

And I am NOT a used-car salesman...
flan

Actually I hear they make good money. You may want to look into that field.

That said , for me the whole issue is moot (or mooo Joey....) because for security reasons he's unlikely ever meet with anyone alone , as someone else may have said already.

They probably have people outside the bathroom when he's in there for gravy sake.

burns07 · Guru

have had to testify in a few sexual harassment lawsuits over the course of my career(though never as a defendant)--believe me, whether it's an outright shakedown(as three of them were), pure fabrication or a genuine complaint, none of them were any fun(even if decided in our favor)

whatever Pence's motivation(and happen to admire and emulate his myself)from a purely legal perspective, nearly ANY interaction with an employee/associate/colleague of the opposite sex holds the potential for a lawsuit

and contrary to other opinions, that IS the reality of life in this country

WYSIWYG · Guru

Because a lot of women are not above falsely accusing powerful men. He doesn't want even the possibility of Hillary's supporters accusing him of this because even if it's not true his career would be ruined. Just like the many other Republican men they've done it too. Ever notice Democrats just continue on their merry way even when caught red handed whiles Republicans are run out of town?
- Tinydancer

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I get that there are some unscrupulous women, and men for that matter, out there. But gossip will happen whether he does something wrong or not. Without proof of wrong doing there will be nothing to back up the false allegations. All he has to say to people that want to gossip is: "Do you have a cell phone? Show me the picture." Everyone that would be somewhere he will be has a cell phone, and all cell phones have cameras, and there's no way that if actual impropriety happened that someone wouldn't grab a snapshot of it.

My simple point is this: It's not disrespectful of his marriage if he does his job. Doing his job will sometimes require individual meetings with women, some of which may be lunches or dinners.

Just as Bill Clinton wasn't elected to be "The perfect Husband", neither was mike Pence. Mike Pence was elected to be Vice President. He can be "the perfect Husband" on his own time.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Well that's stupid.

Your a husband at all times.

He's a vice-president at all times.

Unless you think that he isn't when on his own time?

Oh wait, as vice-president, he doesn't really have his own time.

Kinda like when you are married.

Tinydancer · Guru

I'm still waiting for the proof that this is causing a problem with him doing his job. I see a lot of speculating about it but not one ounce of proof. He was Governor and it didn't seem to affect his job and I see nothing his stance is affecting right now as VP.

FNW · Guru

So if he sleeps with a foreign dignitary to further a peace agreement then it's okay, because he's doing his job?

There are some things you cannot and should not, compartmentalize.

Cheerios4606 · Guru

The world is backwards now a days. Slick willy was ok cuz it was his personal life and we should butt out. Pence is a bad guy cuz he wants to avoid situations that would offer the opportunity to shed him in a bad light.

I swear, we are getting dumber as a race.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

If more people would put their spouse first, we wouldn't have as much divorce.

Ohfour · Hooker

But that doesn't mesh with the Liberal Mantra. They welcome and promote all things perverted.

Tinydancer · Guru

If he had never said this in his interview nobody would be the wiser but since he did the Dems use it as a slam. I guess being faithful and thoughtful of your spouse is a bad thing in their world.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Ohfour wrote:
But that doesn't mesh with the Liberal Mantra. They welcome and promote all things perverted.

Pathetic...

flan

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
But that doesn't mesh with the Liberal Mantra. They welcome and promote all things perverted.
Pathetic...
flan

It's the truth.

Tinydancer · Guru

Yes. It is pathetic that perversion is good yet honoring your spouse is bad.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
But that doesn't mesh with the Liberal Mantra. They welcome and promote all things perverted.
Pathetic...
flan
It's the truth.

No, it's your delusional thinking.

flan

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
But that doesn't mesh with the Liberal Mantra. They welcome and promote all things perverted.
Pathetic...
flan
It's the truth.
No, it's your delusional thinking.
flan

OK, dear...

Cheerios4606 · Guru

guys. enough.

WYSIWYG · Guru

If more people would put their spouse first, we wouldn't have as much divorce.
- lilyofcourse

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I agree with this wholeheartedly. However, you can do this without marginalizing over half of the population (50.9% female, according to 2010 census data).