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WYSIWYG · Guru

Pence's Marriage

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

The way I see it, the only ones doing that are the ones offended by this.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
burns07 wrote:

he respects his marriage and honors his wife--end of story--nothing to see here

he wouldn't have gotten this far in life(and in his career)if his morals were an impediment to his effectiveness

he's not some janitor or unemployed librarian, he's the Vice President

And I am NOT a used-car salesman...
flan

What wrong with used-car salesmen?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

WYSIWYG wrote:
If more people would put their spouse first, we wouldn't have as much divorce.
- lilyofcourse

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I agree with this wholeheartedly. However, you can do this without marginalizing over half of the population (50.9% female, according to 2010 census data).

He's not marginalizing anyone. If people can't do their job without going to dinner with someone - they suck at their job.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
burns07 wrote:

he respects his marriage and honors his wife--end of story--nothing to see here

he wouldn't have gotten this far in life(and in his career)if his morals were an impediment to his effectiveness

he's not some janitor or unemployed librarian, he's the Vice President

And I am NOT a used-car salesman...
flan
What wrong with used-car salesmen?

"What wrong?"

flan

Ohfour · Hooker

Ok then, what's wrong with a used car salesman? Now will you answer the question, Flan?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
burns07 wrote:

he respects his marriage and honors his wife--end of story--nothing to see here

he wouldn't have gotten this far in life(and in his career)if his morals were an impediment to his effectiveness

he's not some janitor or unemployed librarian, he's the Vice President

And I am NOT a used-car salesman...
flan
What wrong with used-car salesmen?
"What wrong?"
flan

Funny coming from a woman that refuses to capitalize a name.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Golden rule during argument: If you're losing, start correcting their grammar..:

WYSIWYG · Guru

He's not marginalizing anyone. If people can't do their job without going to dinner with someone - they suck at their job.
- Lawyerlady

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It's not a question of "can't do their job" though. It's a question of equal access. Can a male member of the Senate have a private, working lunch or dinner, with him? If the answer is yes, then it's not equal access if a female member of the Senate can't. And all they suck at, in that case, is possessing an attached penis.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

No one has the RIGHT to dine with someone.

WYSIWYG · Guru

Agreed.

People have a right to equal treatment regardless of gender though.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

WYSIWYG wrote:
Agreed.

People have a right to equal treatment regardless of gender though.

Not for who someone dines with. The life is still theirs. They don't have to socialize with anyone they don't want to.

Even in the workplace, prudence regarding the opposite sex is required to avoid bad situations. As an example, I do not have to be alone with male clients I don't feel comfortable being alone with. Does that make me unprofessional? I've yet to feel uncomfortable being alone with a female client. And male doctors often won't examine female patients without a nurse in the room.

You can decry gender separation all you want - it doesn't alter reality and the dangers of dealing with members of the opposite sex who create a hostile environment or have the potential to damage your reputation.

In Pence's situation, I would NEVER be alone with a politicized liberal woman. Too many of them have proven willing to lie about sexual impropriety for political gain.

Forever Sunshine · Guru

What would equal treatment be if your (general) husband took a female colleague to dinner at a nice restaurant. They discussed their business over a meal and ****tails. Dinner is done, bill is paid and your husband is walking the female colleague to her car. As they approach and he starts to wish her a safe drive home, she starts screaming as if he's attacking her. Before anyone else shows up to help, she hits herself in the face with the car door and falls to her knees to scrape them on the macadam. People start to arrive to defend her and your husband is hauled off by the police.

Is that equal treatment regardless of gender?

WYSIWYG · Guru

Not for who someone dines with. The life is still theirs. They don't have to socialize with anyone they don't want to.
- Lawyerlady

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There's a difference between "socializing" and a "working lunch" or "working dinner". You clearly either do not understand the difference or choose to not see the difference. Either way, it has become pointless to argue about it further at this point.

He treats women as lesser than men by taking away avenues of access to him from people, but only if they are women. You accept it. I don't.

WYSIWYG · Guru

What would equal treatment be if your (general) husband took a female colleague to dinner at a nice restaurant. They discussed their business over a meal and ****tails. Dinner is done, bill is paid and your husband is walking the female colleague to her car. As they approach and he starts to wish her a safe drive home, she starts screaming as if he's attacking her. Before anyone else shows up to help, she hits herself in the face with the car door and falls to her knees to scrape them on the macadam. People start to arrive to defend her and your husband is hauled off by the police.

Is that equal treatment regardless of gender?
- Forever Sunshine

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That's not equal treatment though, because the gentleman wouldn't walk another gentleman to his car and wish him a safe ride home. They would go their own separate ways as soon as they departed the restaurant's doors (if they even arrived at the doors together, it's just as likely that they wouldn't leave together as it is that they would). Possibly with a hearty "see you at the office tomorrow" included somewhere, but that's about it.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

So, equal treatment means chivalry is dead and women should fend for themselves at all times? Be careful what you wish for.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

What avenues have been taken away?

What makes him less accessible to women than men?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

He is not - it's just something to bitch about. There is no reason Pence has to go out to dinner with other women. NONE.

Forever Sunshine · Guru

WYSIWYG wrote:
What would equal treatment be if your (general) husband took a female colleague to dinner at a nice restaurant. They discussed their business over a meal and ****tails. Dinner is done, bill is paid and your husband is walking the female colleague to her car. As they approach and he starts to wish her a safe drive home, she starts screaming as if he's attacking her. Before anyone else shows up to help, she hits herself in the face with the car door and falls to her knees to scrape them on the macadam. People start to arrive to defend her and your husband is hauled off by the police.

Is that equal treatment regardless of gender?
- Forever Sunshine

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That's not equal treatment though, because the gentleman wouldn't walk another gentleman to his car and wish him a safe ride home. They would go their own separate ways as soon as they departed the restaurant's doors (if they even arrived at the doors together, it's just as likely that they wouldn't leave together as it is that they would). Possibly with a hearty "see you at the office tomorrow" included somewhere, but that's about it.

That's a pretty stereotypical description of the world's view of men . . . if you ask me. Is that your brand of equal treatment regardless of gender? It's sad the men you've been around, apparently, don't look out for each other or hope for a safe drive home after a night of drinks and inebriation. I rather like the men in my area where they do look out for each other because they actually care; they do tell each other to have a safe drive home.

I guess chivalry IS dead in today's world, LL. I'll try to remember that if I ever hear a woman, or a man, screaming for help.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Lawyerlady wrote:
He is not - it's just something to bitch about. There is no reason Pence has to go out to dinner with other women. NONE.

There is no reason he has to go out to dinner with anyone.

It always gets me how the ones complaining the most about inequality are the biggest perpetrators.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

lilyofcourse wrote:
What avenues have been taken away?

What makes him less accessible to women than men?

HE makes himself "less accessible" to women.

flan

Tinydancer · Guru

His choice. Everybody, even public servants, get to choose who they have dinner with and who they don't. It doesn't matter what anyone who isn't Vice President Pence says.

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
What avenues have been taken away?

What makes him less accessible to women than men?

HE makes himself "less accessible" to women.
flan

Oh Bull. How does not going to dinner ALONE with someone make you less accessible? They can still go to dinner, just not alone. There is nothing in the world wrong with that.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
What avenues have been taken away?

What makes him less accessible to women than men?

HE makes himself "less accessible" to women.
flan

For dinner? Too fvcking bad. How entitled thinking that anyone has to dine with anyone else. Free country, remember?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

As a woman, I'm getting REALLY tired of people telling me what is supposed to be sexist. It's patronizing in and of itself.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
What avenues have been taken away?

What makes him less accessible to women than men?

HE makes himself "less accessible" to women.
flan
For dinner? Too fvcking bad. How entitled thinking that anyone has to dine with anyone else. Free country, remember?

For a WORKING meeting which includes food.

In a PUBLIC place...

flan

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
What avenues have been taken away?

What makes him less accessible to women than men?

HE makes himself "less accessible" to women.
flan
For dinner? Too fvcking bad. How entitled thinking that anyone has to dine with anyone else. Free country, remember?
For a WORKING meeting which includes food.
In a PUBLIC place...
flan

It doesn't HAVE to. We abide by those same rules here at work. ALL OF US. It's not difficult. He's made it to VP. It obviously hasn't been a problem.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
What avenues have been taken away?

What makes him less accessible to women than men?

HE makes himself "less accessible" to women.
flan
For dinner? Too fvcking bad. How entitled thinking that anyone has to dine with anyone else. Free country, remember?
For a WORKING meeting which includes food.
In a PUBLIC place...
flan
It doesn't HAVE to. We abide by those same rules here at work. ALL OF US. It's not difficult. He's made it to VP. It obviously hasn't been a problem.

But the key difference is that YOU work for a Christian company.

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
What avenues have been taken away?

What makes him less accessible to women than men?

HE makes himself "less accessible" to women.
flan
For dinner? Too fvcking bad. How entitled thinking that anyone has to dine with anyone else. Free country, remember?
For a WORKING meeting which includes food.
In a PUBLIC place...
flan

Please tell me why a meeting is required to be held over dinner. ANY meeting.

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
What avenues have been taken away?

What makes him less accessible to women than men?

HE makes himself "less accessible" to women.
flan
For dinner? Too fvcking bad. How entitled thinking that anyone has to dine with anyone else. Free country, remember?
For a WORKING meeting which includes food.
In a PUBLIC place...
flan
It doesn't HAVE to. We abide by those same rules here at work. ALL OF US. It's not difficult. He's made it to VP. It obviously hasn't been a problem.
But the key difference is that YOU work for a Christian company.
flan

So? It still works. Hasn't hurt anyone or anything...

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
What avenues have been taken away?

What makes him less accessible to women than men?

HE makes himself "less accessible" to women.
flan
For dinner? Too fvcking bad. How entitled thinking that anyone has to dine with anyone else. Free country, remember?
For a WORKING meeting which includes food.
In a PUBLIC place...
flan
Please tell me why a meeting is required to be held over dinner. ANY meeting.

I never SAID it was "required."

But...there are only 24 hours in a day & lots of good restaurants...

flan

Ohfour · Hooker

So let me ask this. Do you think it's sexist to require a female nurse in a patient room if the Dr is male?

-- Edited by Ohfour on Thursday 13th of April 2017 10:20:26 AM

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

A few here seem to think a man can be forced to dine alone with a woman who is not his wife.

Therefore, a woman can be FORCED to dine with a man who is not her husband, right?

Why don't we all just squat and pee in public. You are also not allowed to be offended or to protect yourself from unwanted intrusive peeks.

There. Everyone is on equal footing now.

No safe rooms allowed.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Ohfour wrote:
So let me ask this. Do you think it's sexist to require a female nurse in a patient room if the Dr is male?

-- Edited by Ohfour on Thursday 13th of April 2017 10:20:26 AM

Good question, but my doctor actually doesn't have a nurse present.

Does the female patient have her clothes on?

flan

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
So let me ask this. Do you think it's sexist to require a female nurse in a patient room if the Dr is male?

-- Edited by Ohfour on Thursday 13th of April 2017 10:20:26 AM
Good question, but my doctor actually doesn't have a nurse present.
Does the female patient have her clothes on?
flan

Male OBGYNs are required to have a female nurse in the room. That's sexist.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
So let me ask this. Do you think it's sexist to require a female nurse in a patient room if the Dr is male?

-- Edited by Ohfour on Thursday 13th of April 2017 10:20:26 AM
Good question, but my doctor actually doesn't have a nurse present.
Does the female patient have her clothes on?
flan

Usually no. My doctor always has a female nurse present during exams. I'm naked as a jaybird under that gown.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
What avenues have been taken away?

What makes him less accessible to women than men?

HE makes himself "less accessible" to women.
flan
For dinner? Too fvcking bad. How entitled thinking that anyone has to dine with anyone else. Free country, remember?
For a WORKING meeting which includes food.
In a PUBLIC place...
flan
Please tell me why a meeting is required to be held over dinner. ANY meeting.
I never SAID it was "required."
But...there are only 24 hours in a day & lots of good restaurants...
flan

Then you have no point. You are just arguing to argue b/c it is a republican male that said it.

burns07 · Guru

chivalry will never die as long as there are good men in this world

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

burns07 wrote:

chivalry will never die as long as there are good men in this world

The uber-feminists are trying to kill them off. Or shame them out of existence.

burns07 · Guru

the uber-feminists have encountered myself are for the most part consumed with anger/self-loathing and insecurity--has not and will not change my treatment of them/toward them

was raised to honor and protect women--all women--and to protect the innocent and helpless(especially children)--cannot live this life any other way

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

Bruns, you are a man of honor.

Wish there were more men like you. :)

Although, in our circle of friends, almost all of the men ARE like you. :)

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

just Czech wrote:
burns07 wrote:

chivalry will never die as long as there are good men in this world

The uber-feminists are trying to kill them off. Or shame them out of existence.

Nope.

Chivalry will never die.

flan

Mary Zombie · Guru

I think I said something like this already but I don't recall hearing about any of our presidents or vice presidents having dinner meetings one on one with any women employees or dignitaries

They always have another staff around them. So he be fine. Otay!

Divine Geek · Guru

just Czech wrote:
burns07 wrote:

chivalry will never die as long as there are good men in this world

The uber-feminists are trying to kill them off. Or shame them out of existence.

I saw a "lady" yell at a man who held the door for her.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Divine Geek wrote:
just Czech wrote:
burns07 wrote:

chivalry will never die as long as there are good men in this world

The uber-feminists are trying to kill them off. Or shame them out of existence.
I saw a "lady" yell at a man who held the door for her.

Weird.

flan

Ohfour · Hooker

It happens all the time. I've seen it more than once.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Ohfour wrote:
It happens all the time. I've seen it more than once.

Well, I have NEVER seen it.

flan

Lindley · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Divine Geek wrote:
just Czech wrote:
burns07 wrote:

chivalry will never die as long as there are good men in this world

The uber-feminists are trying to kill them off. Or shame them out of existence.
I saw a "lady" yell at a man who held the door for her.
Weird.
flan

That actually happened to my brother.

Ohfour · Hooker

You've never seen a lot of things that the rest of the world has.

And you didn't answer my question about male GYNs. Do you think its sexist to require a female nurse to be in the room?

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I wonder how many times Pence has refused to have a meal, alone, with a woman besides his wife, over the years?

Why has it NEVER been an issue until now?