TOTALLY GEEKED!

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

RE: Pence's Marriage

Ohfour · Hooker

I just don't understand the angst over this. Why are you so upset about this, Flan?

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Ohfour wrote:
I just don't understand the angst over this. Why are you so upset about this, Flan?

I'm NOT upset, just pointing out sexism.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Ohfour wrote:
You've never seen a lot of things that the rest of the world has.

And you didn't answer my question about male GYNs. Do you think its sexist to require a female nurse to be in the room?

Apples to oranges...

A public place vs. a closed room?

I trust my doctor. If I didn't, I would choose another one.

flan

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
You've never seen a lot of things that the rest of the world has.

And you didn't answer my question about male GYNs. Do you think its sexist to require a female nurse to be in the room?
Apples to oranges...
A public place vs. a closed room?
I trust my doctor. If I didn't, I would choose another one.
flan

Wrong. A female GYN doesn't have to have a nurse in the room, but a male does. That's sexist.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

And I'm telling you that MY male doctor does NOT "have to have" a nurse in the room when I get a PAP.

flan

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
And I'm telling you that MY male doctor does NOT "have to have" a nurse in the room when I get a PAP.

flan

Interesting. Most places now require that. As do most malpractice insurance coverage.

I would rethink that Dr...

Divine Geek · Guru

flan327 wrote:
And I'm telling you that MY male doctor does NOT "have to have" a nurse in the room when I get a PAP.

flan

Weird

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

And we all know how conservative Indiana is.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
And I'm telling you that MY male doctor does NOT "have to have" a nurse in the room when I get a PAP.

flan
Interesting. Most places now require that. As do most malpractice insurance coverage.
I would rethink that Dr...

NOT A CHANCE.

confuse

flan

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
And I'm telling you that MY male doctor does NOT "have to have" a nurse in the room when I get a PAP.

flan
Interesting. Most places now require that. As do most malpractice insurance coverage.
I would rethink that Dr...
NOT A CHANCE.
flan

Hey, whatever floats your boat!

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Oh, and I have held doors open for MEN and been thanked.

flan

Ohfour · Hooker

I've never had a man LET me open the door for them. Different circles I guess.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Ohfour wrote:
I've never had a man LET me open the door for them. Different circles I guess.

An older man? Walking with a cane?

Hell, yes, I'll open the door.

flan

Divine Geek · Guru

If I see someone coming as I'm going through a door, I'll hold it open - man, woman, martian. It's just common courtesy.

I'm usually heading the other way, but if I am going (for example) into a store and hold the door open for a man that's close behind me, 99.9% of the time, the man will take the door and motion I go first.

Ohfour · Hooker

Divine Geek wrote:
If I see someone coming as I'm going through a door, I'll hold it open - man, woman, martian. It's just common courtesy.

I'm usually heading the other way, but if I am going (for example) into a store and hold the door open for a man that's close behind me, 99.9% of the time, the man will take the door and motion I go first.

That's what I was trying to say. LOL!

Divine Geek · Guru

Ok, cutest thing ever:

I was going into the post office. And this boy, maybe 4 or 5 runs ahead of me and opens the door. It was adorable. I made quite the show of thanking the boy. His dad was behind me with the biggest smile I've ever seen and he said, I'm trying to raise him right. I replied, you're doing a great job.

Ohfour · Hooker

I was coming out of the liquor store a couple of weeks ago. This store has 2 sets of doors. Well, there was a lady behind me coming out that I didn't see, so when I got to the second set of doors, I said, "oh, I am SO sorry! I didn't see you. I didn't mean for the door to close on you!"
She looked at me for a minute (I thought she was angry), and then said, "I just moved here from Illinois and you people are just SO stinkin nice! I love it here!"
LOL!

Tinydancer · Guru

I think some of these people complaining about Pence and how he does his marriage were not honoring their own spouse so they just can't understand him.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Tinydancer wrote:
I think some of these people complaining about Pence and how he does his marriage were not honoring their own spouse so they just can't understand him.

You "think" wrong.

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Divine Geek wrote:
flan327 wrote:
And I'm telling you that MY male doctor does NOT "have to have" a nurse in the room when I get a PAP.

flan
Weird

And stupid.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

The American College of OB GYN strongly advises it, and most malpractice insurers require it as part of their coverage.

So, a male doctor failing to do this as a matter of course is not following the recommendations of his medical college or his insurer.

Very stupid. I wouldn't want to go to a doctor that stupid.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
The American College of OB GYN strongly advises it, and most malpractice insurers require it as part of their coverage.

So, a male doctor failing to do this as a matter of course is not following the recommendations of his medical college or his insurer.

Very stupid. I wouldn't want to go to a doctor that stupid.

EXCUSE ME?

My doctor is NOT stupid.

He is, in fact, a gentleman.

Have YOU met him? Do you know his qualifications?

He is NOT sexist, nor does he fear baseless allegations.

flan

Forever Sunshine · Guru

An allegation doesn't have to have "merit" or be "baseless" for it to gain traction and cost insurers millions in settlements, forcing the rest of us to pay hefty premiums to cover those costs. "Gentleman" or not, it's stupid . . . very, very stupid.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
The American College of OB GYN strongly advises it, and most malpractice insurers require it as part of their coverage.

So, a male doctor failing to do this as a matter of course is not following the recommendations of his medical college or his insurer.

Very stupid. I wouldn't want to go to a doctor that stupid.
EXCUSE ME?
My doctor is NOT stupid.
He is, in fact, a gentleman.
Have YOU met him? Do you know his qualifications?
He is NOT sexist, nor does he fear baseless allegations.
flan

He has left himself open for liability, he ignores the recommendations of the American medical college, and the requirements of his malpractice insurer. I don't need to know any more than that.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Good for you!

flan

Ohfour · Hooker

You need to get a clue...

WYSIWYG · Guru

So, equal treatment means chivalry is dead and women should fend for themselves at all times? Be careful what you wish for.
- Lawyerlady

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No. That's not what it means. What it means is: if you want equality, you have to be prepared to be treated equally. Pence should treat female work associates the same as he treats male work associates. No better, no worse. Simply treat them equally.

WYSIWYG · Guru

That's a pretty stereotypical description of the world's view of men . . . if you ask me. Is that your brand of equal treatment regardless of gender? It's sad the men you've been around, apparently, don't look out for each other or hope for a safe drive home after a night of drinks and inebriation. I rather like the men in my area where they do look out for each other because they actually care; they do tell each other to have a safe drive home.

I guess chivalry IS dead in today's world, LL. I'll try to remember that if I ever hear a woman, or a man, screaming for help.
- Forever Sunshine

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In my neck of the woods, men are self sufficient. Most of the men I know (and to be frank, quite a few of the women) could rebuild a car in the restaurant parking lot if necessary, without assistance. The men I know do care, but know that worry is not warranted. To be perfectly honest, they probably wouldn't wish a female fellow restaurant patron a "safe trip home" either, because general safety is assumed.

Plus we are talking about working meals, where hopefully the participants won't be getting smashed out of their gourds on mixed ****tails anyway.

WYSIWYG · Guru

As a woman, I'm getting REALLY tired of people telling me what is supposed to be sexist. It's patronizing in and of itself.
- Lawyerlady

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"People" aren't telling anyone what's supposed to be sexist. The definition of the word "sexist" is. To whit:

(Courtesy of Google)
adjective
adjective: sexist

1.
relating to or characterized by prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination, typically against women, on the basis of sex.

Pence will meet with men alone.
Pence will not meet with women alone.

Since the two are not both "will meet", there is discrimination. And since the cause of the difference is based on the sex of the other participant and to the disadvantage of women, both the "against women" and the "on the basis of sex" criteria have been met. Ergo, it's sexist.

WYSIWYG · Guru

A few here seem to think a man can be forced to dine alone with a woman who is not his wife.
- just Czech

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I don't think anyone wants to force him to do anything other than treat his fellow public servants equally. If he won't have meals with women, then he shouldn't have them with men. If he won't be present where women and alcohol are available, then he shouldn't be present where men and alcohol are available. It's an inequality of access issue for me more than anything else.

People with female representatives in Congress don't have the same equal access to Pence that people with male representatives do. And that's wrong.

Tinydancer · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
I think some of these people complaining about Pence and how he does his marriage were not honoring their own spouse so they just can't understand him.
You "think" wrong.
flan

Sure. It's me who "thinks" wrong. I'm not the one thinking I know how VP Pence should honor HIS marriage.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

WYSIWYG wrote:
As a woman, I'm getting REALLY tired of people telling me what is supposed to be sexist. It's patronizing in and of itself.
- Lawyerlady

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"People" aren't telling anyone what's supposed to be sexist. The definition of the word "sexist" is. To whit:

(Courtesy of Google)
adjective
adjective: sexist

1.
relating to or characterized by prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination, typically against women, on the basis of sex.

Pence will meet with men alone.
Pence will not meet with women alone.

Since the two are not both "will meet", there is discrimination. And since the cause of the difference is based on the sex of the other participant and to the disadvantage of women, both the "against women" and the "on the basis of sex" criteria have been met. Ergo, it's sexist.

You should also look up the words prudent, circumspect, cautious, and the phrase "freedom of conscience".

WYSIWYG · Guru

You should also look up the words prudent, circumspect, cautious, and the phrase "freedom of conscience".
- Lawyerlady

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Challenge accepted! (all definitions courtesy of Google)

pru·dent
ˈpro͞odnt/
adjective
adjective: prudent
acting with or showing care and thought for the future.

Prudent would be treating male and female coworkers equally, so as to avoid even the appearance of sexism.

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cir·cum·spect
ˈsərkəmˌspekt/
adjective
adjective: circumspect
wary and unwilling to take risks.

Circumspect would be not wanting to be seen as a sexist, by treating men and women differently. So don't do it.

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cau·tious
ˈkôSHəs/
adjective
adjective: cautious
(of a person) careful to avoid potential problems or dangers.

Cautious would be acting like a gentleman around both his male AND female coworkers. Don't show a hint of impropriety. But also don't show sexism by treating men and women differently.

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free·dom of con·science
noun
noun: freedom of conscience
the right to follow one's own beliefs in matters of religion and morality.

Don't cheat on your wife. Give praise to God when appropriate. Base your decisions on morality, like being kind and respectful to all people, male and female alike.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Uh-huh. What type of utopian fantasy world do you live in?

Let's ask the Duke students falsely accused of rape.

Let's ask Herman Cain.

How about those crazy liberal women that accused Trump of sexual harassment at a very convenient time?

And men are not all innocent - so it is best to avoid any possibility of being accused.

Maybe if we could live in a world where terrible men didn't sexually assault and harass women, or where horrible women didn't falsely accuse men for gain, then you'd have a point. Until then - whatever issue you have with a man not dining alone with a women who is not is wife is trivial and stupid.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Went to school with a girl, who in the 8th grade, said our history teacher and she was having an affair.

He was promptly put on leave, without pay, and the police was investigating.

After a year, a YEAR, it was found to be a lie.

He lost everything.

Because of that, and other incidents like that, teachers are no longer allowed to be alone with a kid, for any reason, without another adult present.

Several years ago, a doctor, a dentist, was accused of inappropriately touching a patient while she was in his chair under gas.

The only saving grace was the cameras he had in his office.

Still, the investigation took months and by then, he had lost his practice.

The woman said she did it hoping for a payday.

That's just 2 incidents that I know of personally.

It doesn't make any sense to meet with anyone alone these days.

To refuse to meet women alone at dinner is not sexist.

It's smart.

Again, why was this NOT an issue BEFORE he was VP?

Domestic Engineer · Guru

They way I see it, Pence and many others, respect their spouse this way and unless they tell it, no one even notices. Other religions have similar practices and no one gets their knickers in a knot over it.

burns07 · Guru

Since the two are not both "will meet", there is discrimination. And since the cause of the difference is based on the sex of the other participant and to the disadvantage of women, both the "against women" and the "on the basis of sex" criteria have been met. Ergo, it's sexist.
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now THIS is funny--first we're talking about dinner alone then that morphs to " meeting " alone--not the case at all and based on your ASSUMPTION, not the facts

more importantly, it's HIS decision who he chooses to dine with(not mine, yours, anyone's)

lord

Mary Zombie · Guru

I think part of it may gut be his age. I know several older gentleman who feel that way. My Dad was like that too.

WYSIWYG · Guru

more importantly, it's HIS decision who he chooses to dine with(not mine, yours, anyone's)
- burns07

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I agree. And for the sake of equality he shouldn't dine with male guests either.

Tinydancer · Guru

How can you say you agree it's his choice then turn around and say what he should do? Geez people need to leave their noses out of other peoples marriages.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

WYSIWYG wrote:
more importantly, it's HIS decision who he chooses to dine with(not mine, yours, anyone's)
- burns07

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I agree. And for the sake of equality he shouldn't dine with male guests either.

You cannot be serious. First of all, males tend to bond with males and vice versa. They socialize more - golf, etc. Women do it, too. I spend much more time with female co-workers because we have more in common. People are allowed to socialize and choose FRIENDS they want to dine with all they want.

This politically correct crap is getting moronic.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

All this "treat them equally" crap is just that, crap.

What's the standard when dining with a woman? Just common manners says you treat them different.

There is no "equal" in how ANYONE is treated.

I guarantee no one here treats any 2 peple the same.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Of course, no one "treats any two people the same," BUT the difference is that he treats ALL women differently from ALL men.

flan

Tinydancer · Guru

So?

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
Of course, no one "treats any two people the same," BUT the difference is that he treats ALL women differently from ALL men.

flan

Most people do. I would not want to be treated like a man.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

And what does that mean, exactly?

flan

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
And what does that mean, exactly?

flan

That means that I don't want to be treated like a man. I want to be worshiped for the woman I am.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

LMAO

Why can't MEN be "worshiped" too?

flan

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
LMAO

Why can't MEN be "worshiped" too?

flan

They can be, just in a different way. Cause, you know, they are men. And men are different than women.