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Ohfour · Hooker

RE: Pence's Marriage

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Yes, he WAS married. I'm not denying that.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

FNW wrote:
I knew he died in the crash, but I thought that coincided with the affair. I was wrong. I am very sorry you went through widowhood.

Actually, shock was the only thing that kept me going . That and my kids.

I had to transfer from my home branch 15 months after he died. I picked my new branch because it was surrounded by a park, among other things.

flan

FNW · Guru

Very sad indeed.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

FNW wrote:
Very sad indeed.

Life has a way of surprising us.

flan

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

Pence's choice is looking better and better today. :)

Forever Sunshine · Guru

And just how did all this get to be about flan. Sheesh! We all know what she did and that in many opinions here, her voice in this matter just isn't credible.

WYSIWYG · Guru

And his marriage comes FIRST, before being a public servant.
- Lawyerlady

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If he was still a private citizen, I would agree with you about the position his marriage should take.

No one forced him to become a public servant. He made that choice of his own free will. Now he needs to abide by that decision, and treat all other public servants equally.

WYSIWYG · Guru

Bolded is YOUR opinion, nothing else. Pence has dishonored no one, especially HIS wife.

You made a huge assumption with your statement.
- just Czech

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I was using hyperbole to point out the huge assumption in your statement, as well as the fact that your statement is nothing but your opinion.

You believe that treating women as less worthy of his time than men, just because they are female and he's married, is honoring them. I disagree. I believe it shows great dishonor to them, and to women in general. As his wife is a woman, that general dishonorable viewpoint towards all things female would encompass her as well.

I don't think we (anyone on either side of this argument) will ever agree, so it's probably best to just let it go as "agree to disagree".

Forever Sunshine · Guru

As a woman, I don't feel dishonored in the least by his decision. Frankly, I feel the opposite and am happy that there are still men out there who will walk the talk; no matter what anyone else says or thinks. Kudos to him.

Tinydancer · Guru

I love that we have a man here telling women that they should be offended by something HE thinks is sexist towards women. I find that highly sexist. Some man telling me how I should feel about what's sexist.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

WYSIWYG, here is a little scenario for you.

I'm going to describe it from 3 points of view.

A man and woman, at a table in a restaurant. From every other angle, what is seen is a married man, the status of the woman is unknown. There is some laughing, some serious discussion, perhaps some papers are passed between them, maybe not. Dinner is over, dessert is enjoyed while little socializing takes place, he then walks her to the door and they leave.

View 1. They work together, and are having an affair.

View 2. She is sleeping her way up the ladder.

View 3. It's just a working dinner.

Of the three, two of those could be detrimental to both of them.

He IS respecting women.

By not putting them in a position to have rumors started about them.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

I give up.

Y'all are seeing something that's simply NOT there.

flan

FNW · Guru

We have two ends of the spectrum here. Bill O'Reilly vs. Pence. I'll take Pence.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

FNW wrote:
We have two ends of the spectrum here. Bill O'Reilly vs. Pence. I'll take Pence.

I'll take someone in between the two extremes, tyvm.

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Tinydancer wrote:
I love that we have a man here telling women that they should be offended by something HE thinks is sexist towards women. I find that highly sexist. Some man telling me how I should feel about what's sexist.

Exactly. How patronizing.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Quote:

A man and woman, at a table in a restaurant. From every other angle, what is seen is a married man, the status of the woman is unknown. There is some laughing, some serious discussion, perhaps some papers are passed between them, maybe not. Dinner is over, dessert is enjoyed while little socializing takes place, he then walks her to the door and they leave.

View 1. They work together, and are having an affair.

View 2. She is sleeping her way up the ladder.

View 3. It's just a working dinner.

OR...it's her brother, her cousin, her realtor

OR...he's a reporter interviewing her

I could go on & on.

flan

FNW · Guru

When I lived in WV, my father was in DC for two weeks for business. He spent the weekend with me, as I was only 1 1/2 hours away. We went to Bob Evans for breakfast and received so many dirty looks and smirks from people. We realized they didn't know we were father/daughter, and figured he was a dirty old man with a young, sexy (LOL) hookup.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

FNW wrote:
When I lived in WV, my father was in DC for two weeks for business. He spent the weekend with me, as I was only 1 1/2 hours away. We went to Bob Evans for breakfast and received so many dirty looks and smirks from people. We realized they didn't know we were father/daughter, and figured he was a dirty old man with a young, sexy (LOL) hookup.

So...do you (general you) care what strangers think? Do you allow it to limit your actions? This is where I'm stuck, I guess.

flan

FNW · Guru

We had a good laugh about that.

There are situations where yes, I have to limit my actions for appearances, in order to keep my clearance and my job.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

FNW wrote:
We had a good laugh about that.

There are situations where yes, I have to limit my actions for appearances, in order to keep my clearance and my job.

Yes, I understand that.

flan

Forever Sunshine · Guru

flan327 wrote:
FNW wrote:
When I lived in WV, my father was in DC for two weeks for business. He spent the weekend with me, as I was only 1 1/2 hours away. We went to Bob Evans for breakfast and received so many dirty looks and smirks from people. We realized they didn't know we were father/daughter, and figured he was a dirty old man with a young, sexy (LOL) hookup.
So...do you (general you) care what strangers think? Do you allow it to limit your actions? This is where I'm stuck, I guess.
flan

So, one's reputation, how they are perceived, how they behave doesn't matter if one doesn't care what "strangers" think? One shouldn't limit their actions because of another? Because of what it might do to one's reputation? IMO, that kind of attitude and thinking is precisely what's gotten us, as a society and nation, into the crap we're in now.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Forever Sunshine wrote:
flan327 wrote:
FNW wrote:
When I lived in WV, my father was in DC for two weeks for business. He spent the weekend with me, as I was only 1 1/2 hours away. We went to Bob Evans for breakfast and received so many dirty looks and smirks from people. We realized they didn't know we were father/daughter, and figured he was a dirty old man with a young, sexy (LOL) hookup.
So...do you (general you) care what strangers think? Do you allow it to limit your actions? This is where I'm stuck, I guess.
flan
So, one's reputation, how they are perceived, how they behave doesn't matter if one doesn't care what "strangers" think? One shouldn't limit their actions because of another? Because of what it might do to one's reputation? IMO, that kind of attitude and thinking is precisely what's gotten us, as a society and nation, into the crap we're in now.

So FNW is not supposed to eat in a restaurant with her father because some stranger might get the wrong impression?

flan

Forever Sunshine · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Forever Sunshine wrote:
flan327 wrote:
FNW wrote:
When I lived in WV, my father was in DC for two weeks for business. He spent the weekend with me, as I was only 1 1/2 hours away. We went to Bob Evans for breakfast and received so many dirty looks and smirks from people. We realized they didn't know we were father/daughter, and figured he was a dirty old man with a young, sexy (LOL) hookup.
So...do you (general you) care what strangers think? Do you allow it to limit your actions? This is where I'm stuck, I guess.
flan
So, one's reputation, how they are perceived, how they behave doesn't matter if one doesn't care what "strangers" think? One shouldn't limit their actions because of another? Because of what it might do to one's reputation? IMO, that kind of attitude and thinking is precisely what's gotten us, as a society and nation, into the crap we're in now.
So FNW is not supposed to eat in a restaurant with her father because some stranger might get the wrong impression?
flan

It's a wee bit different with FNW and her Dad and Pence with another woman. Doncha think? But, the fact that practically the whole restaurant jumped to the wrong conclusion and shot dirty looks is very telling . . . yes? Imagine if that were Pence or any other prominent figurehead. The rumor mill would be buzzing and it would be front page news. The man's reputation, marriage, career . . . dead in the water. Do you even see that? See how it works?

And . . . I just love how you totally avoided answering any of my questions. Typical Flan. Ignore it all.

Just go away!

-- Edited by Forever Sunshine on Friday 21st of April 2017 04:31:48 PM

Cheerios4606 · Guru

I think everyone can agree that there has been plenty of politicians in the news that were caught with their pants down or in an otherwise compromising situation. It doesnt take an Einstein to know that a man in public office would be better off not putting himself in a position where someone may raise their eyes over it or offer gossip fodder for the sharks.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Forever Sunshine wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Forever Sunshine wrote:
flan327 wrote:
FNW wrote:
When I lived in WV, my father was in DC for two weeks for business. He spent the weekend with me, as I was only 1 1/2 hours away. We went to Bob Evans for breakfast and received so many dirty looks and smirks from people. We realized they didn't know we were father/daughter, and figured he was a dirty old man with a young, sexy (LOL) hookup.
So...do you (general you) care what strangers think? Do you allow it to limit your actions? This is where I'm stuck, I guess.
flan
So, one's reputation, how they are perceived, how they behave doesn't matter if one doesn't care what "strangers" think? One shouldn't limit their actions because of another? Because of what it might do to one's reputation? IMO, that kind of attitude and thinking is precisely what's gotten us, as a society and nation, into the crap we're in now.
So FNW is not supposed to eat in a restaurant with her father because some stranger might get the wrong impression?
flan
It's a wee bit different with FNW and her Dad and Pence with another woman. Doncha think? But, the fact that practically the whole restaurant jumped to the wrong conclusion and shot dirty looks is very telling . . . yes? Imagine if that were Pence or any other prominent figurehead. The rumor mill would be buzzing and it would be front page news. The man's reputation, marriage, career . . . dead in the water. Do you even see that? See how it works?

And . . . I just love how you totally avoided answering any of my questions. Typical Flan. Ignore it all.

Just go away!

-- Edited by Forever Sunshine on Friday 21st of April 2017 04:31:48 PM

Dramatic much? His whole CAREER is ruined?

Your questions are much too broad.

"One shouldn't limit their actions because of another?" It depends. Is the person being harmed by my actions?

flan

FNW · Guru

If I were a public figure and pictures were taken of me and my father, it would eventually come out that he was in fact, my father, and the rumor would be over. If I were with another man who was not my father nor my husband, then there would be much speculation.

Cheerios4606 · Guru

And we all know that now a days, a lie becomes the truth and it spreads far and wide before you have a chance to correct it.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

FNW wrote:
If I were a public figure and pictures were taken of me and my father, it would eventually come out that he was in fact, my father, and the rumor would be over. If I were with another man who was not my father nor my husband, then there would be much speculation.

And all it would take would be the man speaking up: a business meeting, if that's what it was.

flan

Forever Sunshine · Guru

flan327 wrote:
FNW wrote:
If I were a public figure and pictures were taken of me and my father, it would eventually come out that he was in fact, my father, and the rumor would be over. If I were with another man who was not my father nor my husband, then there would be much speculation.
And all it would take would be the man speaking up: a business meeting, if that's what it was.
flan

Yeah, we all saw how well that worked out for slick willie . . . "I did not have sex with that woman!" or Weiner or any other number of men who LIED that they didn't when they did. Even men who've not done anything wrong and spoke the truth never recovered from the scandal. You really are this obtuse. What a shame.

Forever Sunshine · Guru

flan327 wrote:

Dramatic much? His whole CAREER is ruined?
Your questions are much too broad.
"One shouldn't limit their actions because of another?" It depends. Is the person being harmed by my actions?
flan

Likely excuse. Just admit you're not going to answer. You never do. You choice is snarky one-liners that add nothing to any conversation.

Just go away!

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

flan327 wrote:
FNW wrote:
When I lived in WV, my father was in DC for two weeks for business. He spent the weekend with me, as I was only 1 1/2 hours away. We went to Bob Evans for breakfast and received so many dirty looks and smirks from people. We realized they didn't know we were father/daughter, and figured he was a dirty old man with a young, sexy (LOL) hookup.
So...do you (general you) care what strangers think? Do you allow it to limit your actions? This is where I'm stuck, I guess.
flan

I dunno. Are you now arguing for Pence? I can't tell. You flip flop so much depending on the side of the aisle.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Forever Sunshine wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Dramatic much? His whole CAREER is ruined?
Your questions are much too broad.
"One shouldn't limit their actions because of another?" It depends. Is the person being harmed by my actions?
flan
Likely excuse. Just admit you're not going to answer. You never do. You choice is snarky one-liners that add nothing to any conversation.
Just go away!

You're acting like a parrot.

You don't like my answers, therefore I should "go away?"

You're not a Mod here.

flan

Forever Sunshine · Guru

The parrot is you, dearie. You're just too dense to even realize it. You're the one who thinks it's okay to have an affair with a married man while claiming VP Pence is wrong for having the morality to honor his wife and marriage.

WYSIWYG · Guru

I love that we have a man here telling women that they should be offended by something HE thinks is sexist towards women. I find that highly sexist. Some man telling me how I should feel about what's sexist.
- Tinydancer

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That might be a valid point, IF there weren't also women saying the exact same things. Basically I'm just agreeing with the women that want equality and fair treatment.

But hey, if you don't want equality and fair treatment for your gender, it's fine with me because, as a man, I wouldn't be hurt by that desire at all. Matter of fact it could only improve things for us men. Maybe we could go all the way back to the days when a boss could slap his sexy secretary, who is wearing the job mandated push-up bra, on the ass and say "Babe, get me a coffee?" - while expecting her to smile at him and actually fetch his coffee for him. What do you think? Just how far back do you want to push women's equality? How about all the way back to when women were traded like livestock?

WYSIWYG · Guru

I'm going to describe it from 3 points of view.
- lilyofcourse

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I'm just going to mention that there are quite a few more than "3 points of view" available for that situation, and leave it at that. If people get it wrong, that's on the people that assumed something incorrectly. It's not on the people that are doing nothing wrong.

WYSIWYG · Guru

There are situations where yes, I have to limit my actions for appearances, in order to keep my clearance and my job.
- FNW

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Then don't get drunk at Mardi Gras, and flash your wares at everyone with a camera. Having a meal or a meeting with someone of the opposite gender shouldn't ever be an issue.

Tinydancer · Guru

WYSIWYG wrote:
I love that we have a man here telling women that they should be offended by something HE thinks is sexist towards women. I find that highly sexist. Some man telling me how I should feel about what's sexist.
- Tinydancer

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That might be a valid point, IF there weren't also women saying the exact same things. Basically I'm just agreeing with the women that want equality and fair treatment.

But hey, if you don't want equality and fair treatment for your gender, it's fine with me because, as a man, I wouldn't be hurt by that desire at all. Matter of fact it could only improve things for us men. Maybe we could go all the way back to the days when a boss could slap his sexy secretary, who is wearing the job mandated push-up bra, on the ass and say "Babe, get me a coffee?" - while expecting her to smile at him and actually fetch his coffee for him. What do you think? Just how far back do you want to push women's equality? How about all the way back to when women were traded like livestock?

You have such a vivid imagination you should write a book. Take a look at the ONE woman who is agreeing with you. She's trying to say she knows what honoring your wife means when she's married to a man who did NOT.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Forever Sunshine wrote:
The parrot is you, dearie. You're just too dense to even realize it. You're the one who thinks it's okay to have an affair with a married man while claiming VP Pence is wrong for having the morality to honor his wife and marriage.

Parrots blindly echo other people. I made MY decision for MYSELF...no one else.

I am fine with Pence's decision, BUT if you choose a career as a politician and exclude women...THAT is what I question.

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Forever Sunshine wrote:
The parrot is you, dearie. You're just too dense to even realize it. You're the one who thinks it's okay to have an affair with a married man while claiming VP Pence is wrong for having the morality to honor his wife and marriage.
Parrots blindly echo other people. I made MY decision for MYSELF...no one else.
I am fine with Pence's decision, BUT if you choose a career as a politician and exclude women...THAT is what I question.
flan

You choose a career as a Librarian. One that influences little children. So, how does your marriage model then stack up?

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

And, btw, I have never criticized your marriage or your situation. i don't know you or your situation. And, i have defended you many times. However, now that you wish to dog on Pence, not sure why you think you can do that to him?

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Forever Sunshine wrote:
The parrot is you, dearie. You're just too dense to even realize it. You're the one who thinks it's okay to have an affair with a married man while claiming VP Pence is wrong for having the morality to honor his wife and marriage.
Parrots blindly echo other people. I made MY decision for MYSELF...no one else.
I am fine with Pence's decision, BUT if you choose a career as a politician and exclude women...THAT is what I question.
flan
You choose a career as a Librarian. One that influences little children. So, how does your marriage model then stack up?

Unlike Pence, my private life has nothing to do with my chosen profession.

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

OH, it absolutely does. You are charged with children. Years ago, you would have dismissed as a teacher.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

It's amazing how you demonstrate the utter and corrupt hypocrisy of the Left and their thinking. OK for ME, but not for THEE. Maybe you should print up some bumper stickers or tattoo yourself with your mantra.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
It's amazing how you demonstrate the utter and corrupt hypocrisy of the Left and their thinking. OK for ME, but not for THEE. Maybe you should print up some bumper stickers or tattoo yourself with your mantra.

See if you can wrap your brain around this:

MY life is MINE.

YOUR life is YOURS.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

And I am ONE person, NOT "the Left."

flan

Forever Sunshine · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Forever Sunshine wrote:
The parrot is you, dearie. You're just too dense to even realize it. You're the one who thinks it's okay to have an affair with a married man while claiming VP Pence is wrong for having the morality to honor his wife and marriage.
Parrots blindly echo other people. I made MY decision for MYSELF...no one else.
I am fine with Pence's decision, BUT if you choose a career as a politician and exclude women...THAT is what I question.
flan

I don't see where he's excluded women at all. In fact, he's respecting them, himself, God and his marriage. Because he won't meet alone with a woman in a restaurant to share a meal isn't excluding women at all.

I do find it hilarious that you and others don't see that. I also know that the very first time he would have dinner alone with a woman in a restaurant, you and others would be the first to scream, "How could he do that to his wife, that poor woman!" And please don't deny it because I've seen you do exactly that with others.

Forever Sunshine · Guru

flan327 wrote:
And I am ONE person, NOT "the Left."

flan

YOU are an exemplary example of the left!

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
OH, it absolutely does. You are charged with children. Years ago, you would have dismissed as a teacher.

Ironically, I asked to be transferred after we became involved. Nobody had to tell me to do that.

And how does my private life affect telling stories to children?

flan

Forever Sunshine · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
It's amazing how you demonstrate the utter and corrupt hypocrisy of the Left and their thinking. OK for ME, but not for THEE. Maybe you should print up some bumper stickers or tattoo yourself with your mantra.
See if you can wrap your brain around this:
MY life is MINE.
YOUR life is YOURS.
flan

And . . . wait for it . . . PENCE'S life is HIS!

See how that works. hahaha