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I don't disagree that airlines in general do not treat passengers very well. But I have seen a lot of obnoxious passengers, too. When I was younger, I wanted to be a flight attendant. I'm glad I did not pursue that goal. I don't think I would want to be subjected to the kind of treatment attendants receive.

UAL should have offered the incentives prior to boarding. They dropped the ball there. I have (in the recent past) seen overbooking occur when the last few passengers boarded only to find there seats were already occupied and they were re-booked on another flight. They were asked to leave immediately and the flight attendants retrieved their bags. They were "those" (i.e., entitled) people who stick their oversized bags in someone else's overhead closer to the exit. I don't feel sorry for "those" kind of people.

I don't know whether this passenger was one of "those" people, or whether he was already seated prior to being asked to leave. I would need to know more facts before I judged the airline. I just can't see anyone being "dragged off" for no good reason. It does not make sense to me.

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 Well, the facts are clear in this instance leading up to entire mess.  They boarded and seated the passengers.  Then 4 United employees showed up at the gate needing to on the plane.  They asked for volunteers to give up 4 seats, coming no where near the amount they could offer.  When no one volunteered, they checked the computer and chose the last 4 people who bought economy tickets and told them they had to get off the plane.  He was just sitting there like every other passenger until they told him he would have to get off.  

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Well, that sort of makes sense, based on my experience. The last to board, or in this case, purchase tickets, were asked to leave. So what about the other three passengers? Apparently they weren't dragged off. My guess is they left when asked. Why didn't this guy? Was there a language barrier, perhaps? If so, then I would feel sorry for him. If not, I have no sympathy for him.

Federal regulations. You comply with them. Period. If you feel you are wronged, take it up later. Not on a plane.

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 He said he was a doctor with patients to be seen the next morning.  

Side note: Southwest offers two options for bording earlier therefore getting a better selection of seats. When you buy your ticket, there is a more expensive option that places you in the first 15 boarding slots. Or you can buy an "early bird pass" that puts you in the first (I think) 30 spots.

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Well, that sort of makes sense, based on my experience. The last to board, or in this case, purchase tickets, were asked to leave. So what about the other three passengers? Apparently they weren't dragged off. My guess is they left when asked. Why didn't this guy? Was there a language barrier, perhaps? If so, then I would feel sorry for him. If not, I have no sympathy for him.

Federal regulations. You comply with them. Period. If you feel you are wronged, take it up later. Not on a plane.

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 Federal regulations don't mean the government gets to manhandle you.  Have you not seen the cops getting in trouble for excessive force?  This guy wasn't even doing anything wrong before this started.  

But, you are correct that United has the right to treat their passengers badly.  And others have the right to not fly them ever.  Even the other airlines and United's own pilots have said United handled it wrong.  So has the president of United - a little too late, though. 

LOL OhFour! 

There is a special place in hell for passengers who put their carry on in any bin other than the one above the seat they are sitting in. When I arrive at my seat, if the overhead bin is full, I pull out the luggage that doesn't belong to the people sitting in my aisle and toss it aside - a flight attendant comes and deals with the passenger who put it in the wrong bin. The flight attendants despise when people put their luggage in other people's bins. It delays boarding. I have done this twice and the FA's have thanked me each time.

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There is a special place in hell for passengers who put their carry on in any bin other than the one above the seat they are sitting in. When I arrive at my seat, if the overhead bin is full, I pull out the luggage that doesn't belong to the people sitting in my aisle and toss it aside - a flight attendant comes and deals with the passenger who put it in the wrong bin. The flight attendants despise when people put their luggage in other people's bins. It delays boarding. I have done this twice and the FA's have thanked me each time.

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Really?  I've never seen that.  Most of the time, it's the FAs moving luggage around, mine has wound up several rows back.  If someone else touched my luggage, there would be hell to pay.  

My husband has special approval to put several items in the overhead bin.  Sometimes, taking up all the room.  He gets this approved before the flight.  If you touch his guitar and damage it, I guarantee you are going to pay for it.  And it's not cheap.. 

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 Yeah, overhead compartment does not belong to any particular seat.

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There is a special place in hell for passengers who put their carry on in any bin other than the one above the seat they are sitting in. When I arrive at my seat, if the overhead bin is full, I pull out the luggage that doesn't belong to the people sitting in my aisle and toss it aside - a flight attendant comes and deals with the passenger who put it in the wrong bin. The flight attendants despise when people put their luggage in other people's bins. It delays boarding. I have done this twice and the FA's have thanked me each time.

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 HAHA @ special place in hell.  But seriously, this has been my experience as well.  Put your bags in your own overhead.  If it's oversized (I transported a piece of art for a friend once from SFO to LAX) you ask the FA's to store it, or make advance special accommodations when booking.    I will now pay extra for early boarding to avoid the hassle of having my overhead filled before I get to my seat.  I have been known to tell someone, "sir, you forgot your bag in row___"  if I see someone doing this.   I pay for my seat on a plane, which includes the overhead and floor in front of my feet.   And to take up someone else's space without permission...it's just rude, IMO.

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There is a special place in hell for passengers who put their carry on in any bin other than the one above the seat they are sitting in. When I arrive at my seat, if the overhead bin is full, I pull out the luggage that doesn't belong to the people sitting in my aisle and toss it aside - a flight attendant comes and deals with the passenger who put it in the wrong bin. The flight attendants despise when people put their luggage in other people's bins. It delays boarding. I have done this twice and the FA's have thanked me each time.

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 HAHA @ special place in hell.  But seriously, this has been my experience as well.  Put your bags in your own overhead.  If it's oversized (I transported a piece of art for a friend once from SFO to LAX) you ask the FA's to store it, or make advance special accommodations when booking.    I will now pay extra for early boarding to avoid the hassle of having my overhead filled before I get to my seat.  I have been known to tell someone, "sir, you forgot your bag in row___"  if I see someone doing this.   I pay for my seat on a plane, which includes the overhead and floor in front of my feet.   And to take up someone else's space without permission...it's just rude, IMO.

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 Nope.  It doesn't.  I've been on overseas flights where some of the bins were used for pillows and blankets. What are the people in those rows supposed to do?

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And I'm the queen of England.

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 I did not know, your Majesty.  

 

But, yes, the facts check out - he's a doctor, and can only see patients one day a week.  Do you actually read any of the information provided?

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 I read where his license was suspended for unethical conduct.   And yes, he can see patients one day a week.  But my point, people can say anything.  Doesn't mean it's true.  And what relevance would it have if the airline can put him on the next flight out and he could make it home in time?  Don't know if that's the case, because we're not receiving all the facts.  And that's another problem I have.  This is all one-sided.

 

LOL @ ohfour!  HAHAHAHAHAHA

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 And see - I don't care about who he is or was.  If they can treat him that way, they can treat anyone that way.  The passengers were saying in that video he did nothing wrong, leave him alone.  

We’re approaching the holiday-travel season, during which crowded flights and even more crowded overhead bins are part of the routine. Also to be expected when passengers bring a glut of stuff onto a plane: overhead-bin abuse. You’ve seen it before: the passenger who stows his carry-on in the first available bin space, and then proceeds to a seat dozens of rows away like it’s no big deal, like the entire plane is his personal glove compartment.

Is he wrong? Or, at the very least, is he discourteous? Is there an unspoken code that governs the proximity of one’s overhead bin to one’s seat?

Some people think so. “The bin above my row is full!” they sniffle. “Where am I supposed to put my bag?” Then a flight attendant is waved over and must rearrange bags or find a place for the forsaken luggage. A gate check may ensue, tragically. The bad guy wins and the film fades to black.

Here’s the truth: You’ll never see a flight attendant examine the names on the luggage tags and match them with nearby passengers. Why? Because anyone may stow his or her carry-on in any of the bins within his or her class on the plane. Although, according to some sources, flight attendants have been known to occasionally stop those passengers who deposit bags in the bins at the front as they board, there is no definitive rule that says flyers have first dibs on the bins above their assigned seats.

In fact, passengers are not technically entitled to any overhead-bin space at all—and especially not the overhead-bin space with proximity to their seats.

There is only so much bin room, and on full flights especially, someone is going to have to gate check his or her carry-on. Those are the facts. If you care enough, there’s an arsenal of preventative measures you can take to get your bag into the bin, from paying a small fee to board early to signing up for an airline credit card. Or you can hack the boarding groups by choosing a seat in the section of the plane that gets called first during general boarding. For example, many airlines use a back-to-front system, so when flying with those carriers, a seat near the back likely comes with better bin access. Adapt or perish!

Otherwise, priority passengers—frequent flyers, those who’ve paid to board early, families with children—and ticket holders in rows called before yours have every right, technically, to put their bags into the bin near your seat. In air travel, it’s survival of the fittest (and those traveling with offspring).


www.smartertravel.com/2013/11/06/think-you-own-the-overhead-bin-think-again/

I realize it's not a rule but I still find it rude. Unless the FA does it. But I avoid it all by making myself a priority passenger.

As for this guy who was dragged off, how do the passengers several rows in front of him know he was doing "nothing wrong"? When settling into your seat, do you pay attention to what others are doing on the plane? If so, kudos to you. And once asked to deplane and you refuse, you are then doing something wrong.

The video is pretty inflammatory and does make UAL look bad, I admit. But I'm not judging as I do not have all the information. People aren't dragged anywhere unless they put up a fight.

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There is a special place in hell for passengers who put their carry on in any bin other than the one above the seat they are sitting in. When I arrive at my seat, if the overhead bin is full, I pull out the luggage that doesn't belong to the people sitting in my aisle and toss it aside - a flight attendant comes and deals with the passenger who put it in the wrong bin. The flight attendants despise when people put their luggage in other people's bins. It delays boarding. I have done this twice and the FA's have thanked me each time.

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 HAHA @ special place in hell.  But seriously, this has been my experience as well.  Put your bags in your own overhead.  If it's oversized (I transported a piece of art for a friend once from SFO to LAX) you ask the FA's to store it, or make advance special accommodations when booking.    I will now pay extra for early boarding to avoid the hassle of having my overhead filled before I get to my seat.  I have been known to tell someone, "sir, you forgot your bag in row___"  if I see someone doing this.   I pay for my seat on a plane, which includes the overhead and floor in front of my feet.   And to take up someone else's space without permission...it's just rude, IMO.

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 Nope.  It doesn't.  I've been on overseas flights where some of the bins were used for pillows and blankets. What are the people in those rows supposed to do?

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 those are YOUR pillow and blanket. You pull them out and put them at your seat. Every bin has a set for each passenger. 

Well, i just posted articles that say you are wrong, so until you find something supporting your claims, i will have to believe the actual FAs. You are the only one here yhat thinks that. And you are incorrect.

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I realize it's not a rule but I still find it rude. Unless the FA does it. But I avoid it all by making myself a priority passenger.

As for this guy who was dragged off, how do the passengers several rows in front of him know he was doing "nothing wrong"? When settling into your seat, do you pay attention to what others are doing on the plane? If so, kudos to you. And once asked to deplane and you refuse, you are then doing something wrong.

The video is pretty inflammatory and does make UAL look bad, I admit. But I'm not judging as I do not have all the information. People aren't dragged anywhere unless they put up a fight.

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 Why are you assuming how far away they are?  And a plane is very small, I'm quite certain they have a better take on it than anyone else.

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Every flight attendant I have asked has said it IS a rule. The newer planes actually have the overhead bins labeled as to which seats they belong to. And when the bin is full, yes I do ask those already sitting in the row which bag is theirs. And they say "the green one" and then I yank down the purple one and the flight attendant comes down the aisle and asks "who's bag is this?" They also tell you "your bag needs to be kept with you where you are seated". The bins are labeled now and this seems to clear up a lot of the confusion. I had one flight attendant scold a passenger in my row who took up the entire bin herself. She had her carry on, her purse (which was a HUGE tote) and a large pillow up there. The FA dragged it all out and made her check the carry on. You don't get all the room in the bin. You get one slot. Unless you had special permission for some reason - but I think that's kind of a one off.

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 I fly quite often and that has NEVER happened like you describe once.  I also asked my husband who flies at least once a month ( and often on Delta), and he said no way you are correct.  

Furthermore, many times people are boarding first because they have priority seating - and when you remove their bag for yours, you have taken away a benefit they paid for. You are basically stealing a space.

Up until I changed jobs a year and 1/2 ago I traveled frequently on all airlines. Never has an overhead bin been assigned. Only exception is business class and first class, they still aren't assigned, but you do get what you need. Unless things have changed in the past year, I seriously doubt MM's story.

One thing I can say for sure: if your bag does not fit, do not try to force the bin closed. You will break the bin, get kicked off the flight and then have to sit there getting glared at by the other passengers as they wait for a new plane since you broke the one they were on.

Advice courtesy of my former boss.

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Up until I changed jobs a year and 1/2 ago I traveled frequently on all airlines. Never has an overhead bin been assigned. Only exception is business class and first class, they still aren't assigned, but you do get what you need. Unless things have changed in the past year, I seriously doubt MM's story.

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 Yep. And I highly doubt a certain someone is flying first class...just sayin...

No, but your anecdotes have been proven wrong time and time again.
So I tend to rely on my own 100 times your experiences and Gs 1000 times more experiences over your 2 or 3.

Yeah....its BS.

Flying on Jetblue tomorrow. I will report back. I did pay extra for a better seat so maybe I am entitled to a certain bin.

I rarely use the overhead bins. It's not easy for people my size to get stuff in and out - I usually have to ask for help. One of the multiple reasons I fly Southwest, I can check my stuff without it costing an arm and a leg.