TOTALLY GEEKED!

Although I have never experienced a contact buzz, I have heard about them.

Good point.

Seems like some common sense laws are needed.

No smoking in certain places, maybe have limited places to smoke.

Like only on your own property or in establishments that cater just to smoking. Like a bar.

lilyofcourse wrote:

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Seems like some common sense laws are needed.

No smoking in certain places, maybe have limited places to smoke.

Like only on your own property or in establishments that cater just to smoking. Like a bar.

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 So, wanting to drink in a bar means you are subject to a contact buzz?  And kids in your house - what about them?

 

 

Yes & tax it like cigarettes.

It's legal, if a kid is subjected to cigarette smoke, in their own home, should they be taken?

If a parent gives a kid a sip of beer now and then, or allows them to drink at home, should they be taken?

If a parent has a party, and the kid sneaks a beer, shold they be taken?

Once you open that door, what else would be grounds for taking kids?

Some think kids shouldn't have soda or GMOs or sugar.

Private property is private property.

 

Like I said, regulations are needed.

 

But I can't see a time in which I would ever agree with telling someone what they can or can not do on their own property, with the exception of following the law.

 

The laws need to be changed.

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Yes, and someone could drug test positive from a contact buzz. And it could affect their thinking and ability. So, how does that get handled - you are in an accident or lose your job because of second hand smoke from marijuana? What a nightmare.

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There's that too.  Either it is legal or not.  And, if it is in your system then that shouldn't be a problem unless the person is acutely intoxicated.  But, again, with alcohol that can be tested, with mj it can't.  So, basically, it is being legalized for the unemployed because employed people will lose their jobs because most jobs test for that.

  As I said, I don't see any great benefit to having more stoned people in society.  For the govt, it does make the population more easily controlled which is a big plus for them.  But, on the other hand, i have never smoked it, but on the surface it doesn't seem any worse than alcohol and I think that grown ups should be  left alone to their own lives as well.   So, not sure.

lilyofcourse wrote:

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It's legal, if a kid is subjected to cigarette smoke, in their own home, should they be taken?

If a parent gives a kid a sip of beer now and then, or allows them to drink at home, should they be taken?

If a parent has a party, and the kid sneaks a beer, shold they be taken?

Once you open that door, what else would be grounds for taking kids?

Some think kids shouldn't have soda or GMOs or sugar.

Private property is private property.

 

Like I said, regulations are needed.

 

But I can't see a time in which I would ever agree with telling someone what they can or can not do on their own property, with the exception of following the law.

 

The laws need to be changed.

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 Getting your kid stoned is not ok.  Getting anyone stoned by second hand smoke is NOT ok.  Your "rights" end when you start afflicting other people with your choice.  

I can tell you contact buzz is kind of a myth.
Don't ask me how I know 😜

 

That said I think it should be like alcohol. Use it in moderation as long as you're taking care of your business. some people cant handle drinking and drop out too.  

 

-- Edited by Mary Zombie on Sunday 23rd of April 2017 03:57:51 PM

I've been around pot smokers and never gotten ANY kind of "contact high."

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The best buzz is a second hand buzz. I would much rather have a second hand buzz.

If you do the research about how/why Pot became illegal in the first place, you may have a different opinion.

You can thank the news paper owners, who happened to also own the timber lands and paper mills for the misinformation about the potheads coming into middle America to do their nefarious deeds. They saw what hemp could do to their bottom line....

And I have literally only eaten pot once, while in Amsterdam at the ripe old age of 40. I have no personal dogs in this fight other than I hate hypocrisy and liars.

So, your govt cares more about who gets the money than impaired drivers killing citizens?

Ilumine wrote:

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If you do the research about how/why Pot became illegal in the first place, you may have a different opinion.

You can thank the news paper owners, who happened to also own the timber lands and paper mills for the misinformation about the potheads coming into middle America to do their nefarious deeds. They saw what hemp could do to their bottom line....

And I have literally only eaten pot once, while in Amsterdam at the ripe old age of 40. I have no personal dogs in this fight other than I hate hypocrisy and liars.

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   What about the history that colors your opinion?  

Of course, we know more now about lots of things than we did historically, including the effects of marijuana and it's uses and potential for abuses.

Smoking tobacco doesnt impair your driving. Would you rather your pilot smoke a cigarrette or a joint? Not the same thing. i dont' like tobacco and i don't smoke and hate being around it. But you can't compare that.
And, yes adults have vices. Too much bad food, not exercising, etc. Those can harm yourself. However, drinking and driving or smoking mj and driving can harm someone else/

So u are Ok with people smoking it and driving?

I am not the one trying to minimize the level of impairment which is a concern for society.

-- Edited by Lady Gaga Snerd on Tuesday 25th of April 2017 12:33:14 AM

Being concerned that there will be more stoned people in society is inflammatory? Some of us are concerned.

That's kind of the point. Why do we need to choose between 2 stoned drivers? And, the pot today is stronger and more potent than in previous decades. There have been deaths already in Colorado. Some have consumed edible pot. And, one teen jumped to his death. Another man killed his wife while under the influence of it. You can say "oh it wasn't the pot". Well, it's a contributing factor whether you want to pretend otherwise.
Also, we all have known potheads. They aren't the most motivated people. Yeah, there are people who can use it and be fine. And, if grown adults want to smoke it on the weekends or whatever, i really don't care all that much. However, i don't see any benefit to the larger society to have more people using mind altering drugs.

Ilumine wrote:

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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Ilumine wrote:

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If you do the research about how/why Pot became illegal in the first place, you may have a different opinion.

You can thank the news paper owners, who happened to also own the timber lands and paper mills for the misinformation about the potheads coming into middle America to do their nefarious deeds. They saw what hemp could do to their bottom line....

And I have literally only eaten pot once, while in Amsterdam at the ripe old age of 40. I have no personal dogs in this fight other than I hate hypocrisy and liars.

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   What about the history that colors your opinion?  

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I think what bothers me is the hypocrisy of allowing alcohol but demonizing pot all because the small group of timber barons feared hemp paper.  if this really was about safety, then we should criminalize alcohol and tobacco, since both of these products are addictive, both can cause horrendous wothdrawls, and  can do irreparable harm to the human body. More so in some cases than pot. Hell, caffeine Is both physically and psycholigically addictive, can do physical harm to the body over time and cause withdrawal symptoms.

As for the whole "gateway" drug speil (again propogated by the timber barons who also owned the newspapers), the stats on young users who move onto "harder" drugs is similar to those younguns who drink and smoke. 

However, the uses of the cannib plants are immense, not just medically but industrially. There are only 13 states that allow the growth of cannibis for HEMP usage And the red tape is astronomical. 

i do believe that those states that decriminalized it didn't think/plan through all of the scenarios. And I do think there needs to be a brethalizer test and limitations tied to those that tote and drive. but i will roll my eyes at anyone who bitches about the potheads if they drink or smoke. Because unless they advocate for criminaliz their own "vices" their hypocrisy makes me tune them out.

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 Oh, goody.  I really don't do either, so based upon your judgmental criteria, I can bitch all I want.  

When people getting stoned has the certainty of affecting others in many situations - and it will, in driving, job performance, second hand smoke - it should not be legal to just toke up whenever you want.

And I'll tell you this - I will fire every person that shows up to work high. Period. And I'm not the only one - so this WILL affect people and cause harm.

Lawyerlady wrote:

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When people getting stoned has the certainty of affecting others in many situations - and it will, in driving, job performance, second hand smoke - it should not be legal to just toke up whenever you want.

And I'll tell you this - I will fire every person that shows up to work high. Period. And I'm not the only one - so this WILL affect people and cause harm.

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 Basically, it is being legalized for the unemployed to enjoy.

You can send an alcoholic to get tested to see if he was drinking on the job, but there is not a test in existence that can test and tell whether you were toking during lunch hour or you had a really great party last weekend.

I repeat, there is no test available to tell you specifically if a person was smoking today or a week ago.

It stays in your system for days and weeks. If it is legalized, I wonder if bosses across the country will have to allow for shoddy service, or will have to write up and implement a whole new set of rules to specify what is acceptable behavior. All so that he can document and appropriately fire someone that is not meeting those standards BECAUSE THEY are high!

So now I need to be extra careful on the roads, when I go to the bank to deposit money, and lord help me when it comes to relying on other people in cases of 'safety' such as doctors or nurses getting ready to treat my child.

 

-- Edited by Cheerios4606 on Tuesday 25th of April 2017 01:31:30 PM