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Ok - whether you agree with Trump or not, I have a serious problem with piddly district judges thinking they can veto a presidential order for the entire country.  At the very least - their ruling needs to be limited to their own circuit. 



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I don't understand where they think they can get their authority either.

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These local f'd up judges need to be stopped.

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Every one of these anti american anti constitutional judges should be impeached.

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I agree. They need to be impeached and tried as being traitors to the constitution.

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I don't understand where they think they can get their authority either.


 But they DO have authority, don't they?  (again, hoping FNW can explain this - I learn a lot from her)



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Not really...it will go to SCOTUS soon and they will slap it down. And they will soon be replaced.

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I don't understand where they think they can get their authority either.


 But they DO have authority, don't they?  (again, hoping FNW can explain this - I learn a lot from her)


 Authority? They are supposed to rule based on the constitution and they are not. That is the issue.  I am sure LL will weigh in soon.



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Our country is based on a system of checks and balances. Ideally, the role of the courts is to enforce laws, refusing to do so only when they are unconstitutional - and that is supposed to be narrowly construed. The judicial branch of the government has been grabbing more and more power by attempting to make law - which is the job of Congress. They are also attempting to usurp the power or the President and are ignoring the doctrine of judicial restraint. They are appointed for life, with removal through impeachment only, which is difficult and rarely done but judicial activism should become a basis for doing so. They are disrupting the balance of power for political reasons instead of doing their job.

Furthermore - do any of you really think a lower level appointed judge should be able to overturn the orders of the duly elected President? If nothing else, that should sit squarely and solely within the purview of the Supreme Court.

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And when they take their oath to uphold the Constitution, that includes supporting the Presidential power given to him, not trying to undermine it because the don't agree with him politically.

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Lawyerlady wrote:

Our country is based on a system of checks and balances. Ideally, the role of the courts is to enforce laws, refusing to do so only when they are unconstitutional - and that is supposed to be narrowly construed. The judicial branch of the government has been grabbing more and more power by attempting to make law - which is the job of Congress. They are also attempting to usurp the power or the President and are ignoring the doctrine of judicial restraint. They are appointed for life, with removal through impeachment only, which is difficult and rarely done but judicial activism should become a basis for doing so. They are disrupting the balance of power for political reasons instead of doing their job.

Furthermore - do any of you really think a lower level appointed judge should be able to overturn the orders of the duly elected President? If nothing else, that should sit squarely and solely within the purview of the Supreme Court.


 I 've been confused over the bolded.  Why do these lower level judges even have the opportunity to weigh in?



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I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:

Our country is based on a system of checks and balances. Ideally, the role of the courts is to enforce laws, refusing to do so only when they are unconstitutional - and that is supposed to be narrowly construed. The judicial branch of the government has been grabbing more and more power by attempting to make law - which is the job of Congress. They are also attempting to usurp the power or the President and are ignoring the doctrine of judicial restraint. They are appointed for life, with removal through impeachment only, which is difficult and rarely done but judicial activism should become a basis for doing so. They are disrupting the balance of power for political reasons instead of doing their job.

Furthermore - do any of you really think a lower level appointed judge should be able to overturn the orders of the duly elected President? If nothing else, that should sit squarely and solely within the purview of the Supreme Court.


 I 've been confused over the bolded.  Why do these lower level judges even have the opportunity to weigh in?


 They are federal judges, and these orders are based on federal laws.  

 

 



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A big problem I have is that this type of judicial activism undermines the integrity of the Court and causes distrust. Judges are supposed to adhere to strict guidelines of unbias - and there are laws that say they have to recuse themselves when they cannot be impartial or if an issue benefits them.

This article discusses it well - 

 

The federal judge who ruled against President Trump’s effort to withhold money from so-called sanctuary cities had no business presiding over the case. 

The appearance of partiality should have been enough for Judge William Orrick to disqualify himself. His established record of political and personal bias demanded recusal. I’m betting he didn’t even consider it. 

Orrick came into the case with glaring conflicts of interest. 

First, he was an accomplished “bundler” for Barack Obama, raising over $200,000 and personally donating more than $30,000.  Later, he was rewarded with a federal judgeship. So, his political favoritism is more conspicuous than it would be for your average federal judge. 

Second, Orrick worked on key immigration cases for Obama’s Justice Department, overseeing the Office of Immigration Litigation. He worked on cases that dealt directly with federal pre-emption of local immigration laws -- the same subject matter over which he now presides. 

Because of his potential conflicts, he promised during his confirmation hearing to recuse himself from “cases involving issues, policies or initiatives developed by the Obama administration” in which he was involved at the Department of Justice. 

What were they? Well, for one, the Obama administration deliberately chose not to pursue sanctuary cities that were violating the 1996 federal law requiring them to cooperate with federal immigration agencies like ICE.  Was he involved in that decision? Unclear. But the appearance is unsettling.

Canon 2 of the Code of Conduct for federal judges states, “A judge should avoid impropriety and the appearance of impropriety in all activities”.  It requires judges to “act at all times in a manner that promotes public confidence in the integrity and impartiality of the judiciary”.    

Statutory law is more specific. Under 28 USC 455, “A judge of the United States shall disqualify himself in any proceeding in which his impartiality might be reasonably questioned.”

Further, he must recuse himself “where he has a personal bias or prejudice concerning a party…”

So, under these governing standards, would a reasonable person question Orrick’s impartiality? I believe so. 

Does he harbor a personal bias or prejudice  concerning a party, specifically President Trump, who vowed to reverse President Obama’s immigration policies on which Orrick worked? Probably. 

Did he create the appearance of impropriety by presiding over the sanctuary cities case? Absolutely.

It should come as no surprise that Orrick has a history of opposing judicial recusal.

Two years ago, he blocked the release of videos exposing Planned Parenthood’s alleged involvement in abortion-related activity. He did not seem ethically bothered that his wife is considered a pro-abortion activist, as described in multiple publications including The Federalist.

Yet, Judge Orrick did not disqualify himself even though Title 28 demands disqualification in any case in which a judge’s spouse has “an interest that could be substantially affected by the outcome of the proceeding”. Again, it’s the appearance thing.  

In another case, Orrick ruled that two judges did not have to recuse themselves from presiding over a case in which the judges themselves were named as defendants.  Really?  A judge gets to sit in judgment of himself when he’s sued?

One can reasonably conclude that in Orrick’s judicial universe, “recusal” doesn’t exist under any circumstances.

It should come as no surprise that Orrick ruled against President Trump in the sanctuary cities case.  His predisposition can be seen in the opinion itself. He twisted the law to fit his own devices. It was the act of a judicial contortionist.

As I explained in a recent column, cities like San Francisco, that actively protect illegal immigrants, are breaking the law established by Congress 21 years ago. It prohibits local governments from obstructing federal officials in their enforcement of that law.

The president is legally permitted to withhold federal funds, as long as the money is related to immigration and law enforcement… which is precisely what the administration has warned. 

If the case ever reaches the Supreme Court, President Trump stands an excellent chance of prevailing. Until then, he must tolerate activist judges who yearn to write laws instead of interpret them. 

Along the way, the public’s confidence in a fair and impartial judiciary is being steadily eroded.

 

 

Gregg Jarrett is a Fox News Anchor and former defense attorney.



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"In another case, Orrick ruled that two judges did not have to recuse themselves from presiding over a case in which the judges themselves were named as defendants.  Really?  A judge gets to sit in judgment of himself when he’s sued?"

 

 

What the......?????



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The corruption within the judicial system is becoming more and more apparent.

IMHO, Trump needs to find a conservative judge to over rule or "get back at" the left leaning judges. Find a judge who will withhold PP funding, or block sanctuary city's from receiving tax payer funds. Something!

The judicial system is already rift with politics, let's make it more than obvious by doing the same.

Never thought I would say something like this, but times are changing so rapidly, that something needs to be done now to stop it in its tracks.

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Furthermore - do any of you really think a lower level appointed judge should be able to overturn the orders of the duly elected President? If nothing else, that should sit squarely and solely within the purview of the Supreme Court.
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I may be misinformed, but I always thought that a case had to originate elsewhere first, and then the loser could petition the Supreme Court for a hearing to have the ruling reversed.

I've never heard of any case going DIRECTLY to the Supreme Court. Even the famous Bush/Gore fight in the 2000 election didn't go directly to the Supreme Court (although it was fast-tracked).

Can the Supreme Court even take a case directly filed with them as a first filing option?

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Yes. The Supreme Court has original jurisdiction in the following cases:

Clause 2. In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be a Party, the Supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all other Cases before mentioned, the Supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.



"In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls" - I think this should include the President.

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Why is it that it took the Supreme Court to stop Obama Exec orders, but some judge in Nowhereville can stop Trump?

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They did. 5th circuit applied their ruling nationwide on OBama imigration action.  Conservatives argued I migration policy need to be the same across the states. The ruling was used as an argument to apply the 9th circuit ruling nationwide.



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So he can put audits on the states' with their approval of welfare, medicaid, etc. and then hold back money until the loosey goosey approvals are cleaned up, That is in the law now.

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Yes. The Supreme Court has original jurisdiction in the following cases:

Clause 2. In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be a Party, the Supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all other Cases before mentioned, the Supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.

"In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls" - I think this should include the President.
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Interesting.

I disagree that it should cover the President though. If it did, everyone that wants to sue to the President would tie up the Supreme Court so badly that it would collapse under the weight of cases, because everyone has the right to have their case heard by a judge. With other judges as a buffer, the Supreme Court has the ability to limit their cases to ones that they deem worthy of hearing in two ways:
1. Cases that are won by the plaintiffs, and the ruling makes clear why they won, and it's pretty incontestable, wouldn't even be brought to the Supreme Court.
2. Having been heard by a Judge, the Supreme Court is free to deny hearing any and all cases that the don't feel deserve a hearing, without taking any rights away from the citizens.

Can you imagine the number of lawsuits against Trump right now, if Democrats could individually sue him over his Presidential actions by filing with The Supreme Court? Just a guess, but I'm thinking at least somewhere in the 65 to 66 MILLION cases range (just about everyone that voted for Hillary plus or minus a million or so non-voters).

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Yes. The Supreme Court has original jurisdiction in the following cases:

Clause 2. In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be a Party, the Supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all other Cases before mentioned, the Supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.

"In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls" - I think this should include the President.
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Interesting.

I disagree that it should cover the President though. If it did, everyone that wants to sue to the President would tie up the Supreme Court so badly that it would collapse under the weight of cases, because everyone has the right to have their case heard by a judge. With other judges as a buffer, the Supreme Court has the ability to limit their cases to ones that they deem worthy of hearing in two ways:
1. Cases that are won by the plaintiffs, and the ruling makes clear why they won, and it's pretty incontestable, wouldn't even be brought to the Supreme Court.
2. Having been heard by a Judge, the Supreme Court is free to deny hearing any and all cases that the don't feel deserve a hearing, without taking any rights away from the citizens.

Can you imagine the number of lawsuits against Trump right now, if Democrats could individually sue him over his Presidential actions by filing with The Supreme Court? Just a guess, but I'm thinking at least somewhere in the 65 to 66 MILLION cases range (just about everyone that voted for Hillary plus or minus a million or so non-voters).


 So, the President, in his position, is not worthy of the Supreme Court jurisdiction, but lower level people are?  And besides, most of those suits are baseless, and should be brought to an end immediately.  



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So, the President, in his position, is not worthy of the Supreme Court jurisdiction, but lower level people are? And besides, most of those suits are baseless, and should be brought to an end immediately.
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The President is an individual, mostly dealing with matters of the citizenry of the country. Ambassadors, Ministers, and Consuls are representatives of the country as a whole on the international stage, exclusively, and there is no "state" or "district" with jurisdiction over other countries or our interactions with them.

And while I agree that most suits brought against him are probably baseless (I haven't seen them, so can't honestly say for certain), dismissing them is a job for a lower court. Dismissal of the cases is part of the process I mentioned

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the sooner trump can bust up the 9th circuit the better for the country--their reversal record is astounding--somewhere above the 70% mark or so

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WYSIWYG wrote:

So, the President, in his position, is not worthy of the Supreme Court jurisdiction, but lower level people are? And besides, most of those suits are baseless, and should be brought to an end immediately.
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The President is an individual, mostly dealing with matters of the citizenry of the country. Ambassadors, Ministers, and Consuls are representatives of the country as a whole on the international stage, exclusively, and there is no "state" or "district" with jurisdiction over other countries or our interactions with them.

And while I agree that most suits brought against him are probably baseless (I haven't seen them, so can't honestly say for certain), dismissing them is a job for a lower court. Dismissal of the cases is part of the process I mentioned


 "Other public ministers and consuls" are NOT limited to international matters.  And they, too, are individuals.  

Furthermore, the doctrine of Presidential immunity applies to Trump.  People are limited in the suits they can file against him - and they CAN'T file suit against him for doing his job in a way they don't like.

http://law.onecle.com/constitution/article-2/47-presidential-immunity.html

 

Finally, most recently, the Court has definitively resolved one of the intertwined issues of presidential accountability. The President is absolutely immune in actions for civil damages for all acts within the “outer perimeter” of his official duties.735 The Court’s close decision was premised on the President’s “unique position in the constitutional scheme,” that is, it was derived from the Court’s inquiry of a “kind of ‘public policy’ analysis” of the “policies and principles that may be considered implicit in the nature of the President’s office in a system structured to achieve effective government under a constitutionally mandated separation of powers.”736 While the Constitution expressly afforded Members of Congress immunity in matters arising from “speech or debate,” and while it was silent with respect to presidential immunity, the Court nonetheless considered such immunity “a functionally mandated incident of the President’s unique office, rooted in the constitutional tradition of the separation of powers and supported by our history.”737 Although the Court relied in part upon its previous practice of finding immunity for officers, such as judges, as to whom the Constitution is silent, although a long common-law history exists, and in part upon historical evidence, which it admitted was fragmentary and ambiguous,738 the Court’s principal focus was upon the fact that the President was distinguishable from all other executive officials. He is charged with a long list of “supervisory and policy responsibilities of utmost discretion and sensitivity,”739 and diversion of his energies by concerns with private lawsuits would “raise unique risks to the effective functioning of government.”740 Moreover, the presidential privilege is rooted in the separation-of-powers doctrine, counseling courts to tread carefully before intruding. Some interests are important enough to require judicial action; “merely private suit[s] for damages based on a President’s official acts” do not serve this “broad public interest” necessitating the courts to act.741 Finally, qualified immunity would not adequately protect the President, because judicial inquiry into a functional analysis of his actions would bring with it the evil immunity was to prevent; absolute immunity was required.742





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I'm not talking about the "Presidential Immunity from Prosecution" thing.

That's neither here nor there though. I don't think it likely that either of us is likely to change our minds on this.

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I'm not talking about the "Presidential Immunity from Prosecution" thing.

That's neither here nor there though. I don't think it likely that either of us is likely to change our minds on this.


 Presidents are also immune from most civil suits unless it was based on wrongful action PRIOR to becoming president. 



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