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DEAR CAROLYN: My mom recently had a high-up-there milestone birthday. I couldn’t travel. I organized a dinner at her house with my siblings who live nearby, since one has a newborn and isn’t taking her out in public yet (germs). 

A week before, my mom told me she had wanted for a year to go to a specific restaurant for this birthday. I explained the challenge with the newborn and that was the end of the discussion.

Three days before the dinner, she sent my siblings and me a text saying she didn’t want to do the dinner at her house, she was getting her own cake, and she was going to the restaurant with a friend instead.

Fine. The birthday comes, and she spent it complaining about how she had wanted to do this for a year, how she lived longer than her parents, how this was an important day and she didn’t get to spend it how she envisioned, how she never wanted to do dinner at her house (even though she said yes when we offered), etc.

 

I calmly explained that we can’t know what she didn’t tell us, and that I couldn’t help the newborn situation. I then dealt with my bawling sibling and listened as my other upset sibling vented. I advised that we hold in our frustrations on her birthday.

 

But I think I should say something to her in a week or so, about how unfair she was to us, and how she basically took us emotionally hostage. Am I crazy? This is par for the course. My mom has depression issues but has refused for decades to get help, saying she can manage it herself.

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DEAR EMOTIONAL HOSTAGE: How about, instead of telling her how unfair she was to all of you, you apologize for not paying any attention to what she actually wanted for herbirthday?Clearly there’s history here, with the depression and stubbornness and frustration.

But even though she didn’t respond to your initial dinner offer outright with, “No, I don’t want to host my own party, I’d like to go out to X restaurant,” she did communicate the following:

A week before, she said she preferred a restaurant.

Three days before, she texted with her Plan B.

The day of, she admitted how upset she was.

So what was it “she didn’t tell us”?

You, meaning all of her kids, came up with Plan A centered on the newborn, and did.not.budge. as your mother made it as clear as she’s apparently equipped to make it that she really, really wanted Plan B.

So, tell her you’re sorry for closing your ears to what she actually wanted — to get out of her house, with her kids, to celebrate in her way. If that meant the sib with the baby stayed home (or the partner), then that would have been a consequence of her decision, not yours.

And of course if she hadn’t been OK with that clearly stated consequence, then you would have been free to tag her with being unreasonable. But as it stands now, you aren’t — not for simply wanting what she wanted and saying so while you still had an entire week to adjust.



-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Wednesday 3rd of May 2017 07:11:06 AM

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Well, how would you like to be told that your wishes for your birthday don't count b/c we're planning your birthday around a newborn, and "that was the end of the discussion".

 


Let's just ignore the point that a newborn was likely born in a hospital - a petrie dish of germs if there ever was one - and that the rule of keeping babies secluded is outdated and unjustified, to state that I assume the baby has two parents, and one could have stayed behind?  Or maybe another grandparent that could have watched the baby?  

 

This VERY entitled, spoiled child shows no respect for the mother's wishes, and is quite condescending when speaking of her.



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There was one restaurant she wanted to go to. What would have been so hard about that? And organizing a dinner "at her house"?? Wow. Mom probably though, no i dont' want to have to clean, prepare my house, blah, blah for the dinner. She just wanted to go out and eat. What a brat.

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I totally agree with the response. Imagine for a YEAR this poor woman wanted to celebrate her milestone birthday at this restaurant. A YEAR! I can't believe her children are that oblivious and insensitive to her wishes. WOW! But, I have to say, I'd have done what the woman did. Invite my friends, get my cake and go to the restaurant! Good for her.

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For some reason, this letter reminds me of my mother & her "birthday issues."

I would ask her what she wanted for her birthday...every year.

Her answer: "I'm not having a birthday this year."

What I longed to say (but never did): "Mom, I love you, but the fact is that you have 2 choices: get older...or..."

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She asked to go to a restaurant, not to take a 3 week trip to Ireland. Sheesh.

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I can't imagine forcing my mother to do anything she didn't want to do for her own Birthday. I will (and have) gone out of my way to make sure her day is exactly what she wants.

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

She asked to go to a restaurant, not to take a 3 week trip to Ireland. Sheesh.


 We ALL understand that, tyvm.

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flan327 wrote:
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She asked to go to a restaurant, not to take a 3 week trip to Ireland. Sheesh.


 We ALL understand that, tyvm.

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 What is WRONG with you?  First, this isn't about YOU and your mother issues, and just because she posted after you doesn't mean she was talking directly to you.  

 

We all have the right to post our opinions, tyvm.  Stop being a troll.



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I was talking to HER. The letter was quite clear.

Second, I can relate MY experiences, just like we ALL do.

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Oh goody. Another thread that will be turned into "it's all about flan".

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flan327 wrote:

I was talking to HER. The letter was quite clear.

Second, I can relate MY experiences, just like we ALL do.

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 That's why you quoted her and gave that snotty response.  For no good reason whatsoever

And I don't give a flying flip about who you were talking to.  I'm tired of your snotty responses on every thread.  Grow the fvck up or get the hell off this board.  I'm fed up.



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My MIL used to ask her children to throw her a party every 5 years. I was expected to design, purchase and send out engraved invitations, and it was held at SIL's house. I was very early in my pregnancy, still receiving twice daily intramuscular shots in the bottom, which had to be administered at certain times. But I fulfilled my duties, traveled the 3 hours to attend, even though I was nervous about being exposed to SIL's cat fecal matter which could induce a miscarriage. (DH was nervous, too, but we did not say anything to his family about it). But I endured with a smile on my face and although I was exhausted from everything, made the best of it and enjoyed myself, while MIL made fun of me in front her all her friends because of my blossoming size and inability to stand for long periods of time. DH commented later in private that I had become the proverbial donkey on which MIL and her cronies pinned the tail.

Fast forward 5 years later and both her children refused to throw her any more parties. They had had enough, apparently. I remained silent on the matter.

My point: We don't know what demands this mother put on her children throughout the years. On the surface, it does appear that honoring her wishes would be simple and best. It seems it would be easier on mother than having to host her own birthday party, and easier on the children because they would not have to worry about food, serving, clean-up, etc. Then again, was this "restaurant of her choice," too costly for her children to foot the bill? I agree that LW sounds like a controlling spoiled brat, but perhaps this trait was inherited.

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My point: We don't know what demands this mother put on her children throughout the years. On the surface, it does appear that honoring her wishes would be simple and best. It seems it would be easier on mother than having to host her own birthday party, and easier on the children because they would not have to worry about food, serving, clean-up, etc. Then again, was this "restaurant of her choice," too costly for her children to foot the bill? I agree that LW sounds like a controlling spoiled brat, but perhaps this trait was inherited.

Very well said!

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There's just something about the letter, FNW.

I don't think Mom is the "innocent" victim.

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Me, too. She agreed to it then a week before wants to change plans. She has a history of depression and refuses to get help. Then she tells her children of her plans to get her own cake and go to the restaurant with a friend, but continues to complain that she didn't spend it the way she wanted? It sounds like she did spend it the way she wanted, in a restaurant with her friend, sans her children and newborn grandbaby. I'm not sure why she is complaining about a decision she made.

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I feel that I read this dear Carolyn a year or more ago?
There' s probably way more to this. But the kids could have taken mom to the restaurant for her birthday. Ime newborns are super easy to tote around to restaurants, etc.

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This is one of the reasons G and I just don't do birthdays and Hallmark Holidays. It's just ridiculous...


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I don't think I've had a birthday party since I was 8 or 9. I've thrown a couple for my brother, and an anniversary party for my parents (50th), but as for myself? Nope.

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DH and I go out to eat for our birthdays.

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I feel that I read this dear Carolyn a year or more ago?
There' s probably way more to this. But the kids could have taken mom to the restaurant for her birthday. Ime newborns are super easy to tote around to restaurants, etc.


 But:

 one has a newborn and isn’t taking her out in public yet (germs). 

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I feel that I read this dear Carolyn a year or more ago?
There' s probably way more to this. But the kids could have taken mom to the restaurant for her birthday. Ime newborns are super easy to tote around to restaurants, etc.


 But:

 one has a newborn and isn’t taking her out in public yet (germs). 

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 I get it. But a restaurant is pretty low risk for germs. The baby just sleeps in the carrier and no one touches it. 



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Oh, I agree with you...but some parents are over-protective.

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We go out to eat on birthdays as well. My mom likes to cook a meal for me on mine, so we'll do that. Last year we decided to go to Trump Hotel for lunch instead.

Some parents insist that anyone who will come into contact with their newborn receive whooping cough shots first. Some are more "old school", and will schlep their newborn anywhere/everywhere. I schlepped mine to the extent it wasn't more work than enjoyment, having nothing to do with germs. Nothing kills the joy of going out more than spending every minute out feeding, changing, etc., two with acid reflux.

Perhaps the restaurant of mom's choosing was a quiet, formal dining experience where every little sniffle echoed throughout, making it a place where newborns were not welcomed? Who knows, but there is definitely more to the story than meets the eye, IMO.

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LW is a brat.

Mom should have went out with her friend and let the kids show up to an empty house.



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Mom DID go out with her friend.

Then she tried putting a guilt trip on her kids.

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Her kids should have done what SHE wanted on HER birthday.

Entitled brats.

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Her kids should have done what SHE wanted on HER birthday.

Entitled brats.


 I'm guessing the apple didn't fall far from the tree, though.

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Good grief, they expected mom to host her own birthday party? Now that is uncool.

I always thought the celebrating person was suppose to be, well, celebrated, not the labor.

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I don't care. This was admittedly a special birthday for mom. They should have done what she wanted, not plan a party at HER house.


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Ohfour wrote:

I don't care. This was admittedly a special birthday for mom. They should have done what she wanted, not plan a party at HER house.


 I agree, I just think both sides are at fault.

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To be fair to the LW, she is long distance and did the best she could to plan something special. Mom agreed to have it at her house, then balked a week before the event. I'm not sure why the other children couldn't have had it their house, except maybe the one with the newborn, it might have been too overwhelming for her as a new mother. I am not sure what was wrong with the other children planning something, and why LW had to do it.

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flan327 wrote:
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Her kids should have done what SHE wanted on HER birthday.

Entitled brats.


 I'm guessing the apple didn't fall far from the tree, though.

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So does that mean you're just like your mother? 



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To be fair to the LW, she is long distance and did the best she could to plan something special. Mom agreed to have it at her house, then balked a week before the event. I'm not sure why the other children couldn't have had it their house, except maybe the one with the newborn, it might have been too overwhelming for her as a new mother. I am not sure what was wrong with the other children planning something, and why LW had to do it.


There have been times when I have been so shocked at a suggestion, that I just go with it.  And then after thinking about it, and knowing that, NO, I do NOT want that, I go back and say what I should have in the first place.

This would definitely have been one of those times if my kids had pulled this crap. I would have been too shocked to respond correctly.



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I agree Ohfour. It's her Birthday and she gets to decide no matter when she decides.

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They should have asked her what she wanted to do for her birthday in the first place. I know they meant well but unless they come over and clean her house, buy and cook the meal and do all the clean up themselves it wouldn't be much about her. Maybe she knows she will be doing the most work.

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Maybe the mother is difficult. But still. If I wanted to go to the restaurant I'd have laughed at the offer to host my birthday at home and did just what the mother did. But I'd have said it from the beginning.

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It sounds to me like the plan was made and the mother was informed of it without much input.

One year we had my mom's birthday party at her house. It was a surprise party for her 60th birthday. My sister, dad and I planned the whole thing. I did all the shopping in Indiana and brought it all with me. I even prepared all the food at my grandma's house. The only thing my mom had to do was show up with a very confused look on her face lol

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I planned a surprise party for my parents 25th anniversary, they went out to eat and when they came back the yard was full of cars.

They both came in thinking someone had died.



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Let's hold on for a second. "A week before", Mom tells
everyone she's had her heart set on a specific restaurant.
Why didn't Mom say something during the year? If it is
a fancy-schmancy white-tablecloth venue, it might be
too expensive for the children.

"We can't know what she didn't tell us." So Mom had
this wonderful dream of her perfect birthday party, but
she never passed that information on to her kids.

For the LW, I'd just let it go for this year. Three-four
months before her next birthday, start feeling her out
on what she wants to do.



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To me, it sounds like the kids all had a lot going on in their own lives and forgot until it was too late to do a big to-do.

But then there is this

A week before, my mom told me she had wanted for a year to go to a specific restaurant for this birthday. I explained the challenge with the newborn and that was the end of the discussion.

I think the mom HAD been telling them for a year and they just were not listening. 



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To be fair to the LW, she is long distance and did the best she could to plan something special. Mom agreed to have it at her house, then balked a week before the event. I'm not sure why the other children couldn't have had it their house, except maybe the one with the newborn, it might have been too overwhelming for her as a new mother. I am not sure what was wrong with the other children planning something, and why LW had to do it.


There have been times when I have been so shocked at a suggestion, that I just go with it.  And then after thinking about it, and knowing that, NO, I do NOT want that, I go back and say what I should have in the first place.

This would definitely have been one of those times if my kids had pulled this crap. I would have been too shocked to respond correctly.


 That is exactly what I was thinking, Mom needed time to process the plans.  I think it was selfish of the siblings not to ask Mom what she wanted to do.



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A high up milestone birthday; lived longer than her parents. I would like to know just what birthday this way as far as age. 80? 70? She probably feels she has earned the right to celebrate her birthday at a restaurant that she mentioned a year ago. Why not do it? What is all the problem with going with her wishes. To sound nasty, she may not be around much longer so give her what she wants. Depending on how old she is, people can tend to get a bit childish as the years roll by. Humor her.

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Karl, the way I read the OP was that Mom told the LW
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Karl, the way I read the OP was that Mom told the LW
a week before her birthday that she wanted to go to a
specific restaurant, not a year before.


 She told her that she had been wanting to go there for a year. If my mother told me that I would have changed the plans.



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If my mom said a day before her birthday, oh gee i would really love to go to this restaurant for my birthday, then I most certainly would have taken her!

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Karl, the way I read the OP was that Mom told the LW
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 OK.  Checked it again and see that she had wanted to go to that restaurant for a year but only mentioned it a week before.   If she had wanted to go for a year I am wondering why that was not communicated to her kids or did they forget her comment if she made one.  

Still think they should have taken her.  If the newborn's mother is afraid of germs, etc. I would think the newborn could have stayed home with a sitter or relative from the other side of the family or something....



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Also "organized a dinner at HER house" - Gee, thanks.

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