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Woman Who Called in a Potential Crime killed by Police in Minneapolis

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

So the article I posted is a "first out" article". On the way home this afternoon I heard more details. This woman was awoken by some screaming she described as a potential sexual attack occurring outside her home in the back. She was standing next the to police car that responded talking with the cop in the drivers seat. Some fireworks went off and the cop in the passenger seat shot her dead.

The officer who shot was a refugee from Somalia and in 2015 was given a job as a cop on an affirmative action type job pool. He has MANY violations in the past two years; complaints about abuse of power and beatings. So just putting this out there. He has refused to speak, laweyred up. His partner in the driver's seat has already said this shooting was unwarranted.

The likes of BLMs and Al Frankin and Jessie Jackson are no where to be found.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

This is a local story for me and your comments about BLM couldn't be any more wrong. They came out immediately and condemned the police shooting. They facilitated a meeting between the family of Phillando Castille and Justine's family. It was very touching. BLM also held a vigil in Justine's neighborhood calling for better police training and accountability. BLM is supporting her family at every turn. Al Franken, my senator, has made several public statements about the shooting and condemned it. Not sure why it isn't being broadcasted all over the country, but it certainly is here.

I have not heard a word from Jesse Jackson. But I didn't hear from him when Phillando was murdered either.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

Mellow Momma wrote:
This is a local story for me and your comments about BLM couldn't be any more wrong. They came out immediately and condemned the police shooting. They facilitated a meeting between the family of Phillando Castille and Justine's family. It was very touching. BLM also held a vigil in Justine's neighborhood calling for better police training and accountability. BLM is supporting her family at every turn. Al Franken, my senator, has made several public statements about the shooting and condemned it. Not sure why it isn't being broadcasted all over the country, but it certainly is here.

I have not heard a word from Jesse Jackson. But I didn't hear from him when Phillando was murdered either.

Ok so as I posted the article is a first out. No where was there any info about BLMs in the article. I was clear about that.

How about instead of being hostile in your reply you post actual evidence/articles/interviews to dispute what I posted?

burns07 · Guru

reading through the various reports, there are a couple of glaring questions that haven't been answered--seriously doubt the officer shot her intentionally(meaning independent of the circumstances)--he apparently has had little training and from the various accounts MAY have thought the woman was firing on his partner--given the distance, two maybe three meters at most, just don't understand how this could have transpired in the manner the press is reporting

will wait for the investigation to conclude

Southern_Belle · Nothing's Impossible

The police chief has resigned.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Some idiots on live TV are shouting down the mayor of Minneapolis . This is our new civility. Get ready

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
This is a local story for me and your comments about BLM couldn't be any more wrong. They came out immediately and condemned the police shooting. They facilitated a meeting between the family of Phillando Castille and Justine's family. It was very touching. BLM also held a vigil in Justine's neighborhood calling for better police training and accountability. BLM is supporting her family at every turn. Al Franken, my senator, has made several public statements about the shooting and condemned it. Not sure why it isn't being broadcasted all over the country, but it certainly is here.

I have not heard a word from Jesse Jackson. But I didn't hear from him when Phillando was murdered either.
Ok so as I posted the article is a first out. No where was there any info about BLMs in the article. I was clear about that.
How about instead of being hostile in your reply you post actual evidence/articles/interviews to dispute what I posted?

Wow. You are super sensitive. I wasn't being hostile at all. I just posted what I was seeing on my local TV channel and in the local paper. CNN even showed BLM supporting the family this morning. Why take such offense at someone simply pointing out what they were seeing and hearing on their local media?

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Some idiots on live TV are shouting down the mayor of Minneapolis . This is our new civility. Get ready

The mayor has actually done a great job at keeping the peace and keeping demonstrations civil. The chief of police needed to go so I am glad to hear that she has resigned. But Mayor Hodges is doing her best and people should be respectful.

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www.google.com/amp/www.foxnews.com/us/2017/07/20/minnesota-police-shooting-justine-damonds-family-friends-join-march.amp.html

www.google.com/amp/amp.usatoday.com/story/499726001/

www.bet.com/news/national/2017/07/18/justine-damond-case-sparks-debate-over--blm-s-support-of-an-unar.html

mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-19/justine-damond-vigil:-hundreds-gather-at-beach-in-sydney/8722048

A Fox News article about the rally and BLM support as well as a few other sources backing up what I said. Since you asked for sources - your googler seems to be broken. 😉

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

It was peaceful. Shouting but no violence.

FNW · Guru

To be honest, I haven't really been following this story, but I am aware of it. (It was hashed out on another board and I was reamed because I want to withhold judgment until if and when I get all the facts). It is a very sad situation, but I wonder what caused the officer to fire? Fear? PTSD (I understand he was a Somalia refugee)? Jihad? Lack of training/experience? And if fear, what prompted the fear?

So many questions.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

We are always reamed on other boards, lol.

Lindley · Guru

FNW wrote:
To be honest, I haven't really been following this story, but I am aware of it. (It was hashed out on another board and I was reamed because I want to withhold judgment until if and when I get all the facts). It is a very sad situation, but I wonder what caused the officer to fire? Fear? PTSD (I understand he was a Somalia refugee)? Jihad? Lack of training/experience? And if fear, what prompted the fear?

So many questions.

The other board condemned Zimmerman and the police officer who shot Michael brown before any investigation was made.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Well, i wasn't a fan of Zimmerman. He had no business acting like a rogue citizen cop. On the other hand Michael Brown got his just desserts.

Lindley · Guru

Zimmerman may be a jerk but he shouldn't have been tried and convicted by the news or public. The news media no longer report facts or acts responsible enough not to report news without bias.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

OK - none of those other cases are even comparable. A woman calls for help and gets shot when she approaches the police car because the cop is startled by a sound? That's extremely poor training and there is no defense to it.

The other people that got shot all had issues and were not so cut and dried. This is.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Actually, i would bet the Chief of Police has had death threats against her and her family and probably decided it wasn't worth it.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

Lawyerlady wrote:
OK - none of those other cases are even comparable. A woman calls for help and gets shot when she approaches the police car because the cop is startled by a sound? That's extremely poor training and there is no defense to it.

The other people that got shot all had issues and were not so cut and dried. This is.

The cop who shot was in the passenger' seat and shot across his partner and out the driver's door. That's reckless no matter what the excuse is for firing.

Neither cop had been on the job for longer than 2 years. This is a huge issue for the force. Officers with experience get to have first pick of shifts and they choose day shifts. Why are we pairing 2 rookies ? There should be one experienced officer per car.

Just a side note that the Phillando Castille case was in Minneapolis but did not involve Minneapolis officers. Castille was driving through a nearby town and their officer murdseed Castille not Minneapolis officers.

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What you might not know, that contributed to the call for the police chief's resignation, is that 7 days before the shooting of the woman, other officers shot 2 dogs. Officers were called to a home for a domestic dispute and upon arrival, saw 2 dogs approach them in the yard. The dogs approached in a friendly manner and had wagging tails. The officers shot the dogs and reported that they were aggressive. Their body cams showed otherwise and the city is paying for the vet bills. Both dogs survived. One of the dogs was a therapy dog. The officers are being investigated since their body cams don't match their statements.

7 days after the dog shooting, this woman was shot. The force is trigger happy and that's why the chief was asked to resign by the mayor.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Well, I'm not sure how much of that is all her fault. Being a police officer is a crappy job with crappy pay - you are not going to get the best people.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
Well, I'm not sure how much of that is all her fault. Being a police officer is a crappy job with crappy pay - you are not going to get the best people.

Huh? What does that have to do with anything?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Well, I'm not sure how much of that is all her fault. Being a police officer is a crappy job with crappy pay - you are not going to get the best people.
Huh? What does that have to do with anything?

Why does having a bad cop automatically mean she's a bad police chief. Is she omniscient? Is she expected to know what someone will do before they do it?

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I didnt say anything about the Police Chief. i am not sure why she resigned in the first place.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I didnt say anything about the Police Chief. i am not sure why she resigned in the first place.

You are not the only one posting on this thread. I was responding to Mellow Momma.

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Lawyerlady wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Well, I'm not sure how much of that is all her fault. Being a police officer is a crappy job with crappy pay - you are not going to get the best people.
Huh? What does that have to do with anything?
Why does having a bad cop automatically mean she's a bad police chief. Is she omniscient? Is she expected to know what someone will do before they do it?

Her force is trigger happy and that is her fault. There have been 3 episodes in the last year of excessive force resulting in death. She is ultimately responsible for how her team behaves.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I don't think that is "her fault". If she doesn't fire bad employees it is her fault. But, when you have unions, etc it becomes almost impossible to discipline and fire people. You should see what we have to go thru to discipline and fire a teacher who was verbally abusive to a student. And, now it is coming back where we might have to pay this person an entire year's salary to just get rid of them, even though they are in the wrong. So, you can fire all the Supers or Chiefs you want but that doesnt' change the structure.

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Of course it doesn't. And certainly it's difficult to fire someone in a union. But again, her force is trigger happy. She is responsible for that. This isn't one or two bad apples - it's pervasive. She sets the tone. She is responsible for educating and training them and for re-educating them when something happens in the commmunity. Just as a principal is responsible for what happens in the building, a police chief is responsible for what happens in her force.

Think of it this way, if one teacher paddled a student thinking they were doing the right thing, we would expect the teacher to be reprimanded. We would also expect the other teachers in the building to have some sort of training so they wouldn't paddle. Imagine that a second teacher was caught doing it, and then a third. Wouldn't you be upset that the principal had not gotten the message across that this behavior was unacceptable ?!

She was responsible for her force. A boss always has the ultimate responsibility. And again this wasn't one ad Apple. This is a systemic issue. Her force shoots first and asks questions later.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

That's all well and good but you are missing the point. It's a problem of SYSTEM and not person. You can put 100 police chiefs in there and the system is still the same.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Her stepping down changes nothing. And, yeah, put someone new in. And in reality there aren't a lot of rogue police officers acting out so the next guy probably won't have a problem so somehow that will painted as success. She wasn't in the squad car. But, in our new society, instead of holding the responsible person responsible, we want to run around and FIRE EVERYONE OMG!

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Mellow Momma wrote:
Of course it doesn't. And certainly it's difficult to fire someone in a union. But again, her force is trigger happy. She is responsible for that. This isn't one or two bad apples - it's pervasive. She sets the tone. She is responsible for educating and training them and for re-educating them when something happens in the commmunity. Just as a principal is responsible for what happens in the building, a police chief is responsible for what happens in her force.

Think of it this way, if one teacher paddled a student thinking they were doing the right thing, we would expect the teacher to be reprimanded. We would also expect the other teachers in the building to have some sort of training so they wouldn't paddle. Imagine that a second teacher was caught doing it, and then a third. Wouldn't you be upset that the principal had not gotten the message across that this behavior was unacceptable ?!

She was responsible for her force. A boss always has the ultimate responsibility. And again this wasn't one ad Apple. This is a systemic issue. Her force shoots first and asks questions later.

You are expecting her to be psychic. What matters is how she responds.

-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Sunday 23rd of July 2017 10:23:44 AM

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

Lawyerlady wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
Of course it doesn't. And certainly it's difficult to fire someone in a union. But again, her force is trigger happy. She is responsible for that. This isn't one or two bad apples - it's pervasive. She sets the tone. She is responsible for educating and training them and for re-educating them when something happens in the commmunity. Just as a principal is responsible for what happens in the building, a police chief is responsible for what happens in her force.

Think of it this way, if one teacher paddled a student thinking they were doing the right thing, we would expect the teacher to be reprimanded. We would also expect the other teachers in the building to have some sort of training so they wouldn't paddle. Imagine that a second teacher was caught doing it, and then a third. Wouldn't you be upset that the principal had not gotten the message across that this behavior was unacceptable ?!

She was responsible for her force. A boss always has the ultimate responsibility. And again this wasn't one ad Apple. This is a systemic issue. Her force shoots first and asks questions later.
You are expecting her to be psychic. What matters is how she responds.

-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Sunday 23rd of July 2017 10:23:44 AM

She has not responded. Thats my point. This is not an isolated occurance. The Minneapolis department has had 3 high profile shootings in the past year and several other dubious shootings that were less publicized. She has done nothing to be able to curb that. In fact, there have been more shootings under her watch. So she has been ineffective at retraining her staff and ineffective at letting them know what the standards for behavior are.

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Her stepping down changes nothing. And, yeah, put someone new in. And in reality there aren't a lot of rogue police officers acting out so the next guy probably won't have a problem so somehow that will painted as success. She wasn't in the squad car. But, in our new society, instead of holding the responsible person responsible, we want to run around and FIRE EVERYONE OMG!

Actually there are a LOT of incindents that have disturbed the citizens. Not just this one incident. After the first, the second, the third, and the fourth, she has proven to be ineffective. She has not been able to retrain her staff, she has not been able to communicate to them that shooting first and asking questions later is unacceptable. She wasnt even able to communicate to them that their body cams should be on. She has failed as a leader. Again, this is NOT one isolated incident. As a local I can tell you that this is probably the 6th incident in the last year that's been publicized. I am sure there have been more. We have a right as citizens of this community to call out an ineffective leader and ask for her resignation. What's the magic number of shootings that we should allow before we say she is not a good leader?

Besides this case, the dog case that I mentioned earlier, there was the homeless man who got beat up by the cops for trespassing, the dad waiting for his children in the skyway who was assaulted by the police and arrested even though he was not committing a crime (verified by the security cams in the skyway), the man who was walking down the sidewalk and had to walk into the street to avoid construction vehicles on the sidewalk who was arrested and beaten for jaywalking (verified by video of the event)...it goes on and on.

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
That's all well and good but you are missing the point. It's a problem of SYSTEM and not person. You can put 100 police chiefs in there and the system is still the same.

It is the job of the leader to change the system. The police chief is responsible for whatever system is failing and is responsible for changing that system, for influencing the people who work in that system.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Mellow Momma wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
Of course it doesn't. And certainly it's difficult to fire someone in a union. But again, her force is trigger happy. She is responsible for that. This isn't one or two bad apples - it's pervasive. She sets the tone. She is responsible for educating and training them and for re-educating them when something happens in the commmunity. Just as a principal is responsible for what happens in the building, a police chief is responsible for what happens in her force.

Think of it this way, if one teacher paddled a student thinking they were doing the right thing, we would expect the teacher to be reprimanded. We would also expect the other teachers in the building to have some sort of training so they wouldn't paddle. Imagine that a second teacher was caught doing it, and then a third. Wouldn't you be upset that the principal had not gotten the message across that this behavior was unacceptable ?!

She was responsible for her force. A boss always has the ultimate responsibility. And again this wasn't one ad Apple. This is a systemic issue. Her force shoots first and asks questions later.
You are expecting her to be psychic. What matters is how she responds.

-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Sunday 23rd of July 2017 10:23:44 AM
She has not responded. Thats my point. This is not an isolated occurance. The Minneapolis department has had 3 high profile shootings in the past year and several other dubious shootings that were less publicized. She has done nothing to be able to curb that. In fact, there have been more shootings under her watch. So she has been ineffective at retraining her staff and ineffective at letting them know what the standards for behavior are.

You have no way of knowing that. As I said on the School Board there a lot of things we do behind the scenes that we are not allowed to talk about. We have dealt with sex abuse incidents, etc and people come and yell at the Board. We cannot tell them what we are doing or have done behind the scenes because of employee privacy type laws.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

It's very easy to say 'Oh let's fire people' and then somehow that is the magical fix. It isn't. It's just a way to exact a pound of flesh to make people feel better.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Mellow Momma wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
That's all well and good but you are missing the point. It's a problem of SYSTEM and not person. You can put 100 police chiefs in there and the system is still the same.
It is the job of the leader to change the system. The police chief is responsible for whatever system is failing and is responsible for changing that system, for influencing the people who work in that system.

With that logic, parents are responsible for all the bad their kids do, no matter how well they raise them. Bosses are responsible for every criminal act of any employee, etc.

That's not right and it's not fair. You can't punish people or pull them off the job BEFORE they do something wrong. This isn't Minority Report and you can't expect a superior to be omniscient.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

Any job I have ever had, I have been responsible for my employees' actions. If a single employee upset a customer, my boss held me responsible. It's like that anywhere you work! My husband is responsible for the actions of his players. If they are on the road and one group trashes a hotel room, he is repsonsible. Leaders of people are responsible for the actions of their people. Anyone who manages a group of people is familiar with this concept. I have 60 direct reports and if one of them is nasty to a customer, it's me that takes the crap for it. Now, it runs downhill and I in turn retrain that employee or discipline them. But I take the heat for it.

I am not saying she needs to look into a crystal ball and predict the future. But she should have done enough education and retraining and role playing that her staff knew what the consequences were for firing their weapons needlessly. They should have had clear rules for when it was acceptable and when it wasn't. There have been MULTIPLE shootings, not just this one. She is responsible for not controlling her staff. The MAYOR certainly knows what efforts were taken and they MAYOR called for her resignation. So even if there were things done behind the scenes, certainly the mayor knew what they were and still came to the conclusion that it wasn't enough.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Mellow Momma wrote:
Any job I have ever had, I have been responsible for my employees' actions. If a single employee upset a customer, my boss held me responsible. It's like that anywhere you work! My husband is responsible for the actions of his players. If they are on the road and one group trashes a hotel room, he is repsonsible. Leaders of people are responsible for the actions of their people. Anyone who manages a group of people is familiar with this concept. I have 60 direct reports and if one of them is nasty to a customer, it's me that takes the crap for it. Now, it runs downhill and I in turn retrain that employee or discipline them. But I take the heat for it.

I am not saying she needs to look into a crystal ball and predict the future. But she should have done enough education and retraining and role playing that her staff knew what the consequences were for firing their weapons needlessly. They should have had clear rules for when it was acceptable and when it wasn't. There have been MULTIPLE shootings, not just this one. She is responsible for not controlling her staff. The MAYOR certainly knows what efforts were taken and they MAYOR called for her resignation. So even if there were things done behind the scenes, certainly the mayor knew what they were and still came to the conclusion that it wasn't enough.

First of all - there has only been one shooting of a person. Shooting of dogs, while horrible, is not comparable to shooting a human. And if this man was hired as part of a refuge hiring program that she had no control over, I don't think she should be held responsible the first time something happens unless she responds badly.

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Bosses are held responsible for their employees criminal acts all the time. They are responsible for either not knowing it was occurring, creating an environment where it was allowed, or for allowing it. Wells Fargo is a great example. Individuals in bank branches broke the law and the VP was let go for looking the other way. Had the. p created a culture where it was not allowed, they would still be employed. The VP didn't open those accounts, but the VP allowed it to happen.

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Lawyerlady wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
Any job I have ever had, I have been responsible for my employees' actions. If a single employee upset a customer, my boss held me responsible. It's like that anywhere you work! My husband is responsible for the actions of his players. If they are on the road and one group trashes a hotel room, he is repsonsible. Leaders of people are responsible for the actions of their people. Anyone who manages a group of people is familiar with this concept. I have 60 direct reports and if one of them is nasty to a customer, it's me that takes the crap for it. Now, it runs downhill and I in turn retrain that employee or discipline them. But I take the heat for it.

I am not saying she needs to look into a crystal ball and predict the future. But she should have done enough education and retraining and role playing that her staff knew what the consequences were for firing their weapons needlessly. They should have had clear rules for when it was acceptable and when it wasn't. There have been MULTIPLE shootings, not just this one. She is responsible for not controlling her staff. The MAYOR certainly knows what efforts were taken and they MAYOR called for her resignation. So even if there were things done behind the scenes, certainly the mayor knew what they were and still came to the conclusion that it wasn't enough.
First of all - there has only been one shooting of a person. Shooting of dogs, while horrible, is not comparable to shooting a human. And if this man was hired as part of a refuge hiring program that she had no control over, I don't think she should be held responsible the first time something happens unless she responds badly.

There have been several shootings. In the last year alone there were 2.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Mellow Momma wrote:
Bosses are held responsible for their employees criminal acts all the time. They are responsible for either not knowing it was occurring, creating an environment where it was allowed, or for allowing it. Wells Fargo is a great example. Individuals in bank branches broke the law and the VP was let go for looking the other way. Had the. p created a culture where it was not allowed, they would still be employed. The VP didn't open those accounts, but the VP allowed it to happen.

That was ongoing corruption! That is not comparable to a one time crime that is dealt with swiftly.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

Listen carefully. It's not a one time crime. We have had 3 fatal police shootings since November of 2015. PLUS several instances of police brutality - about one a month. It's not an isolated incident. The Minneapolis police are not to be trusted. She failed as a leader to instill any type of order.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Mellow Momma wrote:
Listen carefully. It's not a one time crime. We have had 3 fatal police shootings since November of 2015. PLUS several instances of police brutality - about one a month. It's not an isolated incident. The Minneapolis police are not to be trusted. She failed as a leader to instill any type of order.

Well now. That's a tad different. It sounds like you are right and she needed to go.

Is she herself corrupt, or just incapable of leading the police force?

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

I don't think she is corrupt, I think she is in ineffective leader who lets the union walk all over her.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

I don't think she is corrupt, I think she is in ineffective leader who lets the union walk all over her. She was responsible for the training that rookies receive and the rookies pretty much suck. She hasn't done much to prevent the beatings and false arrests either.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

Lawyerlady wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
Listen carefully. It's not a one time crime. We have had 3 fatal police shootings since November of 2015. PLUS several instances of police brutality - about one a month. It's not an isolated incident. The Minneapolis police are not to be trusted. She failed as a leader to instill any type of order.
Well now. That's a tad different. It sounds like you are right and she needed to go.

Is she herself corrupt, or just incapable of leading the police force?

The Mayor does make state law on affirmative action and all the training, or lack of training, that is forced on them. That is reality. And is a bad, ignorant, laws the state imposes on communities.My jury is still out on if the mayor could have affected anything given constraints.

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Lawyerlady wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
Listen carefully. It's not a one time crime. We have had 3 fatal police shootings since November of 2015. PLUS several instances of police brutality - about one a month. It's not an isolated incident. The Minneapolis police are not to be trusted. She failed as a leader to instill any type of order.
Well now. That's a tad different. It sounds like you are right and she needed to go.

Is she herself corrupt, or just incapable of leading the police force?

I appreciate you finally getting it. I counted and I mentioned 4 times in this thread that there were 3 instances of police shootings. Glad you finally heard me. Whew.

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I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
Listen carefully. It's not a one time crime. We have had 3 fatal police shootings since November of 2015. PLUS several instances of police brutality - about one a month. It's not an isolated incident. The Minneapolis police are not to be trusted. She failed as a leader to instill any type of order.
Well now. That's a tad different. It sounds like you are right and she needed to go.

Is she herself corrupt, or just incapable of leading the police force?
The Mayor does make state law on affirmative action and all the training, or lack of training, that is forced on them. That is reality. And is a bad, ignorant, laws the state imposes on communities.My jury is still out on if the mayor could have affected anything given constraints.

The police chief is who quit. She is their boss and she certainly could have.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

You mean "doesn't", I believe.

And that's part of my thinking related to this - she's going to be the scapegoat for a lot of bad policy. I mean, seriously, we're hiring refuges as cops, now? They are from horrible, war torn conditions, they haven't even had time to fully adjust to people in a fully developed nation, and we're handing them guns and sending them onto the streets to protect others? That's all kinds of messed up.