Has it occurred to you that this might be like your coffee pot incident where you were accused of doing something wrong while simply trying to help? Just a thought before u toss that stone.

It's easy to accuse someone of guilt. Should you be dogpiled for not filling kup the ice? How did that feel to be innocently going about and then be slammed?

You still haven't shown anything he did.

Lindley wrote:

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We are not supposed to judge, but our spiritual leaders should be held accountable for their actions too. The only reason I'm concerned about is I don't always believe what I hear from the news media nor social media. I've never read his books nor listen to his sermons.

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 Actually, we ARE supposed to call out sin within the church.  And we are supposed to refuse to associate with the unrepentant believer.  And in my opinion, Joel Osteen is an unrepentent greedy swindler.

 

1 Corinthians 5:9-13New International Version (NIV)

9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister[a] but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.

12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.”[b]

Lawyerlady wrote:

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Lindley wrote:

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We are not supposed to judge, but our spiritual leaders should be held accountable for their actions too. The only reason I'm concerned about is I don't always believe what I hear from the news media nor social media. I've never read his books nor listen to his sermons.

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 Actually, we ARE supposed to call out sin within the church.  And we are supposed to refuse to associate with the unrepentant believer.  And in my opinion, Joel Osteen is a greedy swindler.

 

1 Corinthians 5:9-13New International Version (NIV)

9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister[a] but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.

12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.”[b]

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  I agree with what you are saying LL, I honestly  don't  listened/nor want to his sermons  nor read any of his books.  I just don't know  enough about him to have to much of a opinion, but he did miss a great opportunity  to share and show Christ's love to the community  and he should  have known  better.

Lindley wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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Lindley wrote:

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We are not supposed to judge, but our spiritual leaders should be held accountable for their actions too. The only reason I'm concerned about is I don't always believe what I hear from the news media nor social media. I've never read his books nor listen to his sermons.

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 Actually, we ARE supposed to call out sin within the church.  And we are supposed to refuse to associate with the unrepentant believer.  And in my opinion, Joel Osteen is a greedy swindler.

 

1 Corinthians 5:9-13New International Version (NIV)

9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister[a] but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.

12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.”[b]

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  I agree with what you are saying LL, I honestly  don't  listened/nor want to his sermons  nor read any of his books.  I just don't know  enough about him to have to much of a opinion, but he did miss a great opportunity  to share and show Christ's love to the community  and he should  have known  better.

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 I agree completely.  But more than that, a true man of God, that leads millions of followers, should have not just known better - his HEART should have led him to be doing all he could from the moment disaster struck.  

There are a lot of people stepping up, people going out in their own boats rescuing people, eateries providing meals ect....

Yes, there are lots of people stepping up. But, going around bemoaning what someone else isn't doing isn't particularly helpful in my opinion. Why don't we focus our energy on celebrating the heroes instead?  This is our new CULTURE OF OUTRAGE!!  You aren't stepping up in the WAY we think you should be doing it!  Now you are a bad, bad person!

-- Edited by Lady Gaga Snerd on Saturday 2nd of September 2017 07:04:09 AM

Evil might be a bit of a stretch. Opportunist is what comes to my mind. Con artist, too.

If you believe he is using the Church and the name of God to enrich himself and not tend his flock, then yes, that would be evil.

How many rescues by BLM? Where are all the kneeling nflers?

This was well said:
Pastor in North Carolina Writes to Joel Osteen with Sincere Admonishment


By Pastor John Pavlovitz



Dear Joel Osteen,

Over the past few days you’ve faced an unrelenting wave of Internet shaming, and you’ve experienced the wrath of millions of people who watched the week unfold and determined they were witnessing in you and your megachurch’s response to the hurricane—everything they believe is wrong about organized Christianity; its self-serving greed, its callousness, its tone-deafness in the face of a hurting multitude, its lack of something that looks like Jesus.

They questioned your initial silence and your closed doors.

They watched with disdain as local Mosques and furniture stores rushed to receive newly homeless victims while you waited.

They shook their heads at the conflicting stories of a flooded church and impassable roads.

They lamented you tweeting out that “God was still on his Throne,” while thousands of your neighbors were literally under water.

They saw your social media expressions of “thoughts and prayers” as hollow and disingenuous, knowing the stockpile of other resources at your disposal.

They witnessed with disgust what they deemed as your late and underwhelming act of kindness performed under duress.

They raged at your excuse that Houston didn’t ask you to receive victims—because (whether Christian or not) they realized that Jesus’ life was marked by an overflow of generosity and compassion and sacrifice that rarely required official invitation.

As a result of the pushback and condemnation you received, I imagine you feel like this has been a rough week. It hasn’t. You’ve had the week you probably should have had, all this considered. You’ve had the week that was coming long before rain ever started falling in Houston.

For quite a while, Pastor, many people have rightly concluded that the kind of opulence you sit nestled in no way resembles the homeless, itinerant street preacher Jesus who relied on the goodness of ordinary people to provide his daily needs. They rightly recognized that mansions are not places that servant leaders emulating this humble, foot-washing Jesus occupy. They correctly saw the massive chasm between the ever-grinning, your ship is coming in, name it and claim it prosperity promise that is your bread and butter—and the difficult, painful, sacrificial “you will have trouble” life that Jesus and those who followed him lived in the Gospels.

They also see the great disparity between your coddled, cozy, stock photo existence—and the sleep-deprived, paycheck to paycheck, perpetually behind struggle that is their daily life.

And yet despite their difficulties and their deficits and their lack (the kind you have been well insulated from for a long, long time), these same folks understand that when people around you are in peril—you respond. You don’t wait for an invitation, you don’t wait to be shamed by strangers, and you don’t make excuses.

That’s why many of these ordinary, exhausted, pressed to the edge people, lined up as human chains in filthy, rushing, waist-high water to pull people out of submerged vehicles. It’s why they came from hundreds of miles with boats and at their own expense and using vacation days, to pluck strangers from rooftops. It’s why they gave money and clothing and food and blood (and some of them like Officer Steve Perez)—their very lives acting in the way Jesus said was the tangible fruit of their faith.

Many of the people whose very dollars helped build the massive, tricked out arena you call home every week, showed you how decent people respond to need. I hope you were paying attention. I hope you’re different today than you were a week ago. I really hope something penetrated that seemingly disconnected exterior and found a home in your heart.

Because some day, Pastor, the waters in Houston will recede and homes will be rebuilt and normalcy will eventually return there. And to a large degree the attention and the pressure you’ve received this week will find other places to reside, and you will return to the work and the life you’ve had before, relatively unaffected.

It’s then that I hope you’ll remember this week. It’s then I hope you’ll recall the parable Jesus tells of the Good Samaritan, who though a despised pariah in the place he found myself, responded to a stranger’s need with immediacy and vigor while the religious people walked right by. This Samaritan showed mercy, not because he was guilted into it or because he was asked—but simply because he knew that we are one another’s keepers; that we each have resources we are entrusted with, and the way we share or hoard those resources reflect our hearts.

I hope you’ll remember Jesus on the hillside feeding the multitude, not because they petitioned him and not because it was in his job description—but because they were hungry and he wasn’t okay with that.

I don’t know you. I don’t believe you’re a bad person. You’re quite likely a good, loving, and decent man—but good, loving, and decent people lose the plot, they get distracted, they get it wrong, they need to recover their why.

You had a difficult week, but you are safe and dry, and despite the criticism and pushback, blessed with more abundance than most people will ever know. That’s good news for you. I don’t hold any of that against you.

The even better news, Pastor Osteen, is that you are alive. You are still here and you have a chance now to show people that Christianity is far more than their greatest fears about it, much better than the worst they’ve seen of Christians, and more beautiful than the ugliness they’ve experienced in the Church.

You have the chance to leverage your resources and your platform and your influence to show a watching world something that truly resembles Jesus.

Don’t wait for an invitation.

Jesus already gave you one.



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Awesome letter! I hope it was really sent to him!