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Now that the 12 boys and the soccer coach have been found inside the sprawling Tham Luang cave complex, all attention is now on how rescuers can get them out.

With suggestions that the group could be left underground for weeks, potentially months, until Thailand's rainy season ends, plenty have been asking the question — why don't they just swim out with dive equipment?

There are lots of reasons why it's potentially the most dangerous option to free the group, which means there is no rush to get them out while they're still receiving food and in good health.

Former US Navy Seal Cade Courtley told CNN that teaching the group to dive would be the "last option"he would take.

Let's take a look why.

The journey out of the cave is cold, muddy and dark

Thailand's Interior Minister Anupong Paojinda summed it best when he described the cave as "unlike diving in a swimming pool".

In fact it's a long way from it.

The water inside the cave is muddy, dark and freezing.

Australian cave diver and engineer Ron Allum said even for an experienced diver, the journey would be "quite scary".

"If they have got lights, all you will find is a brown glow in front of you. They have got no visual reference," he said.

According to the Bangkok Post, none of the boys know how to swim, so they've got hurdles to overcome before strapping an oxygen tank to their backs.

Divers from the British Cave Rescue Council have participated in the rescue so far, and its assistant chairman Gary Mitchell told the BBC that the cave system is about 10 kilometres long.

"We are fairly sure that the boys are around 2km into the cave system, of which almost a kilometre of that is through flooded passages … where the water meets the roof," he said.

A map shared by a Thai diving website shows the difficult conditions diving rescuers would face.PHOTO: A map shared by a Thai diving website demonstrates the difficult conditions diving rescuers would face. (Facebook: Digitalay)

 

Mr Mitchell said the trip to get out of the cave takes about three hours for experienced divers.

"(It involves) multiple stops, changes of air tanks etc. It's a slow process," he said.

To dive out of the cave would also be extremely dangerous

Big sections of the path out of the cave are extremely narrow, only big enough to fit one person through at a time.

The big concern for rescuers is that the boys will panic in the dangerous sections of the three-hour trip out of the cave.

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VIDEO: 'All you will find is a brown glow in front of you': Cave expert says the boys will have to learn to dive (ABC News)

 

Remember, the boys are only between 11 and 16 years old.

Mr Allum told RN Breakfast that panic could set in when the boys dive into the strong currents of the floodwaters and feel they're out of control.

"It would be very disconcerting for them to face that situation," he said.

Rescue consultant Pat Moret told CNN they would be faced with "an incredibly hostile situation".

"Hopefully the kids will be so desperate to get out they will grit their teeth and just be able to push through it," he said.

Mr Anupong has said that should anything go wrong during a dive out of the cave, it could be "life-threatening".

Rescuers inside a dark cave walk through water with headlamps on.PHOTO: Conditions inside the cave are poor, with limited visibility and freezing floodwaters (AP: Tham Luang Rescue Operation Centre)

 

Restraining the boys is an option if they have to get out

But more heavy rain is forecast for the coming days, which could worsen the flooding in the cave where the boys are trapped.

That means waiting it out won't be an option anymore, and they could be forced to dive out to survive.

Mr Allum said the first step would be to take the group for a few laps of the lake at the bottom of the room they're currently stuck in.

"If they can handle that for a period of time, then see how they go before you venture into that overhead environment," he said.

He also said the group would likely be taken out one at a time, and they'd be "closely tethered" to a rescue diver on the trip.

"You would perhaps have to take one of the strongest out first as a first run and see how that went," he said.

"If there is any apprehension there I wouldn't even attempt it.

"Unless there is horrendous weather forecast, they can wait, that's the safest option."

British Cave Rescue Council vice-chairman Bill Whitehouse told CNN that restraining the children for the trip could be the safest option.

"If they were given breathing apparatuses and then perhaps restrain them, and literally propel them out," he said.

Australian Federal Police and Defense Force personnel talk to a Thai rescuerPHOTO: Teaching the boys to dive out of the cave is one of the rescue options being considered. (AP: Sakchai Lalit)
 
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-04/why-doesnt-the-thai-soccer-team-dive-out-of-the-cave/9938148
 


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Instead of teaching the team to scuba dive, they could be put into diving suits and carried out by professional divers, which would require much less training on their part.

Whitehouse described it as "bringing them out in packages."


This would mean putting them in diving equipment and a full face mask and putting weights on them so they are "neutrally buoyant and aren't going to get stuck against the roof." The divers would then drag them through the water.

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This method is used when someone is injured or does not know how to dive.

"If you've got somebody who isn't a diver and you've got to move them underwater, they are essentially injured in the sense that they can't make their own way because they're not experienced enough to do it," Whitehouse said.

They can just wait 4 months until the monsoon season ends
Instead of getting the boys out, rescuers could simply wait for the weather to change — but it would take an extremely long time.

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Frankly to me, this sounds like the best option. I mean if i was a parent, I would say OK to that versus waiting. To me, what if a flash flood happens and the situation gets worse of the cave fills completely? I mean I don't know if that is possible and maybe it isn't if they feel they can leave them there for months. But, if I had to make the call, I would probably say that makes the most sense to do the above.

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The rescuers seem to be between a rock and a hard place - not to make a pun. Evidently it is not as easy as it looks to guide a person out of the tunnels but this may be the only choice if it starts to rain again and fills the whole thing up. I just cannot see everyone getting out alive....

My first question when this was originally on the news over here on July 2 was: What the hell was the assistant soccer coach thinking when he brought them into this place? He is 25 and should have more sense. But yelling about that will not help the 12 kids.

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My understanding is that the coach did this as initiation thing. So sad

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And one of the rescuers died.

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Yes, I saw that just now on the Noon News. Gave his life trying to help these kids....

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Omg, terrible someone died!

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All of them has been rescued

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a heroic rescue indeed

kudos to the rescuers/support teams

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Kudos to the rescuers and team for a job well done!

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Indeed!

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