I found a version of this on CNN:

"Public places include synagogues, churches, schools, restaurants, stores and public buses. "Public places are defined as: a place where more than 10 persons are intended to congregate," the news release says."

This is another law that "sounds" good. Who is going to enforce it? Another useless "law" that let's politicians say "oh look we are doing something" when in reality nobody is going to enforce anything.

Public schools are going to know who is vaccinated and who isnt.

As for other places, no clue.

Guess we could all start wearing masks every where.

Instead of politicians making "feel good" nonsensical policy, why don't we go back to the days when we had an actual Public Health Dept that did contact tracing and had the powers to quarantine people.


But, what is a "public place"? Is Walmart a public place? How about going to a baseball game or concert? The list of "public places" is endless and nonenforcable. 

-- Edited by Lady Gaga Snerd on Tuesday 26th of March 2019 09:44:14 PM

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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Instead of politicians making "feel good" nonsensical policy, why don't we go back to the days when we had an actual Public Health Dept that did contact tracing and had the powers to quarantine people.


But, what is a "public place"? Is Walmart a public place? How about going to a baseball game or concert? The list of "public places" is endless and nonenforcable. 

-- Edited by Lady Gaga Snerd on Tuesday 26th of March 2019 09:44:14 PM

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 And how can the government say you can't go to Walmart?  Walmart is a private business.  

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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Public schools are going to know who is vaccinated and who isnt.

As for other places, no clue.

Guess we could all start wearing masks every where.

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 So, the Public School is going to be contacted?  There are a lot of public places.  Is someone going to verify the vaccination status of all the "undocumented immigrants" that are here?  So, if you go to the library are you going to have pull out a vaccination card?  Nobody is going to enforce this.

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 It's not about the public schools knowing and needing to be contacted.  It is about ensuring that children are vaccinated from a young age which means that they will not be a threat in other public places.  Start with the kids and it spreads from there.

We have had to provide immunizations for school and for some of the camps they have attended.

Although I am not certain, I believe Christian Scientists do not believe in medical assistance, or believe more in the power of prayer over medical science. Kind of oxymoron to their title I suppose.

I don't understand the hullabaloo either. If your kids are vaccinated, what is the problem if they are exposed to someone who isn't? Isn't the purpose of vaccines to be immune to the disease?

Back in the day, whenever a child had chickenpox parents intentionally would expose their children to it so they could get it as a child rather than an adult. My brother shared with his entire class and me. LOL

My kids get flu shots, but I don't. My DH does.

I have all the standard vaccines, as do my kids.

MMR, polio, hep, and whatever else was required at the time.

Between middle and high school the kids had to get a booster of something, meningitis or something, I can't remember. 

My dad was vaccinated in the great vaccination of his day. He has that small circle on his arm like so many his age. His mom had polio as a child, she made sure to vaccinate her kids. 

My mom has only ever had a flu and tetanus, and she refuses to get any other. The only reason she got the two she took, was because of her job at the time. Although, I'm surprised she had my brother and I vaccinated. I really think my dad pushed that.

Before my grandbaby is born, I'm getting the whooping cough vaccine, and any other boosters I may need.

 

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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Public schools are going to know who is vaccinated and who isnt.

As for other places, no clue.

Guess we could all start wearing masks every where.

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 So, the Public School is going to be contacted?  There are a lot of public places.  Is someone going to verify the vaccination status of all the "undocumented immigrants" that are here?  So, if you go to the library are you going to have pull out a vaccination card?  Nobody is going to enforce this.

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 It's not about the public schools knowing and needing to be contacted.  It is about ensuring that children are vaccinated from a young age which means that they will not be a threat in other public places.  Start with the kids and it spreads from there.

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 A "ban" isn't going to ensure anything.  Woudl you mind telling me how that will work in reality?

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I have all the standard vaccines, as do my kids.

MMR, polio, hep, and whatever else was required at the time.

Between middle and high school the kids had to get a booster of something, meningitis or something, I can't remember. 

My dad was vaccinated in the great vaccination of his day. He has that small circle on his arm like so many his age. His mom had polio as a child, she made sure to vaccinate her kids. 

My mom has only ever had a flu and tetanus, and she refuses to get any other. The only reason she got the two she took, was because of her job at the time. Although, I'm surprised she had my brother and I vaccinated. I really think my dad pushed that.

Before my grandbaby is born, I'm getting the whooping cough vaccine, and any other boosters I may need.

 

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 Tetanus.  When is the last time you had a tetanus booster?  I need mine by next March. Every ten years.

I guess the one good thing is that if the kids are banned from school, the absences will be excused.

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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I have all the standard vaccines, as do my kids.

MMR, polio, hep, and whatever else was required at the time.

Between middle and high school the kids had to get a booster of something, meningitis or something, I can't remember. 

My dad was vaccinated in the great vaccination of his day. He has that small circle on his arm like so many his age. His mom had polio as a child, she made sure to vaccinate her kids. 

My mom has only ever had a flu and tetanus, and she refuses to get any other. The only reason she got the two she took, was because of her job at the time. Although, I'm surprised she had my brother and I vaccinated. I really think my dad pushed that.

Before my grandbaby is born, I'm getting the whooping cough vaccine, and any other boosters I may need.

 

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 Tetanus.  When is the last time you had a tetanus booster?  I need mine by next March. Every ten years.

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 I'm due another, I think. I'll have to see at my next checkup.

All of this the crazed thinking of liberalism. They want to punish "anti VAXXERS". They have to come up with some moniker for everything they disagree with and call them ANTI or DENIERS or "...ists", etc. And, they want things opposite things to coexist in the world. Now they are all about vaccinations on this hand, but on the other hand, it's a big shrug for undocumented illegals to pore in without any worry about their vaccination status. Or, if certain groups don't want vaccines they shrug. They are demanding $15 or more minimum wage on this hand, but on the other hand, they want to depress wages so illegals can "do the jobs Americans wont' do" for sub par wages. Not one of them can tell me how their polar opposite approaches can coexist in the real world.

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All of this the crazed thinking of liberalism. They want to punish "anti VAXXERS". They have to come up with some moniker for everything they disagree with and call them ANTI or DENIERS or "...ists", etc. And, they want things opposite things to coexist in the world. Now they are all about vaccinations on this hand, but on the other hand, it's a big shrug for undocumented illegals to pore in without any worry about their vaccination status. Or, if certain groups don't want vaccines they shrug. They are demanding $15 or more minimum wage on this hand, but on the other hand, they want to depress wages so illegals can "do the jobs Americans wont' do" for sub par wages. Not one of them can tell me how their polar opposite approaches can coexist in the real world.

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 This isn't a thing.  They can do the jobs American't won't do because it gets them jobs.  The pay is the same.  I've worked in a number of companies who bring over workers on visas.  They get the same amount.  Show me where this contradictory information is.  And from an actual source please.  No left/right media bs.

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It is about ILLEGAL immigrants, not people with work visas.  And yes, it IS a thing.  It is common practice to pay illegal immigrants subpar wages under the table because they can't work legally.  So when you require a $15 minimum wage for UNSKILLED labor, day labor is often used instead and they are paid in cash. 

Why do you keep making sweeping statements about things you don't really know about, such as "this isn't a thing"?  Because it really IS a thing.  In fact, it's a really common knowledge "thing".  

Tignanello wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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Tignanello wrote:

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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All of this the crazed thinking of liberalism. They want to punish "anti VAXXERS". They have to come up with some moniker for everything they disagree with and call them ANTI or DENIERS or "...ists", etc. And, they want things opposite things to coexist in the world. Now they are all about vaccinations on this hand, but on the other hand, it's a big shrug for undocumented illegals to pore in without any worry about their vaccination status. Or, if certain groups don't want vaccines they shrug. They are demanding $15 or more minimum wage on this hand, but on the other hand, they want to depress wages so illegals can "do the jobs Americans wont' do" for sub par wages. Not one of them can tell me how their polar opposite approaches can coexist in the real world.

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 This isn't a thing.  They can do the jobs American't won't do because it gets them jobs.  The pay is the same.  I've worked in a number of companies who bring over workers on visas.  They get the same amount.  Show me where this contradictory information is.  And from an actual source please.  No left/right media bs.

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It is about ILLEGAL immigrants, not people with work visas.  And yes, it IS a thing.  It is common practice to pay illegal immigrants subpar wages under the table because they can't work legally.  So when you require a $15 minimum wage for UNSKILLED labor, day labor is often used instead and they are paid in cash. 

Why do you keep making sweeping statements about things you don't really know about, such as "this isn't a thing"?  Because it really IS a thing.  In fact, it's a really common knowledge "thing".  

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 Common knowledge is, in fact, often incorrect.  Which is why I asked the question.  The statements are not sweeping.  This is a direct response to the ongoing generalization (sweeping?) statements about the topic.

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Really, because the illegal immigrants standing outside home depot or on corners to get picked up to do work don't actually exist?  Because illegal Hispanic women don't work as nannies and domestics every day?  They don't clean houses for cash?  Interesting that these people I encounter all the time must be figments of my imagination.  They don't walk into my office and and pay cash for trailers and properties?  Common knowledge is knowledge based upon daily living with these people in the community.  And "This isn't a thing" was YOUR statement and it is so absolutely and completely wrong it shows you have no idea what you are talking about.  You have the United States standing between you and the Mexican border, and you have immigration laws that we can only dream of.  I have illegal immigrants walk into my office all the time and want to pay CASH to buy houses.  Where are they getting that cash?  They are not all dealing drugs, most of them are working illegally for it and getting paid cash - which means they often work for less than minimum wage because they are not having to pay any kind of taxes on it, nor is the employer.   

I plead the garbled. I made very little sense this morning. Not just here, but apparently irl too! It's been one of those days.

 MARY ESCH Associated Press

March 27,  2019

 

County bans unvaccinated minors in public as measles spreads

ALBANY, N.Y. | A county in New York City’s northern suburbs declared a state of emergency Tuesday over a measles outbreak that has infected more than 150 people since last fall, hoping a ban against unvaccinated children in public places wakes their parents to the seriousness of the problem.

“It’s an attention grab, there’s no question about it,” Rockland County Executive Ed Day said at a news conference, noting that he didn’t believe such a drastic step has ever been tried in the U.S. before.

Day said he was taking the action in hopes of reversing a recent uptick in cases amid disturbing reports that health workers were encountering resistance when investigating cases. Rockland’s outbreak has most heavily affected Orthodox Jewish communities, in which vaccination rates tend to be lower.

Under the declaration, which lasts for at least 30 days, anyone under 18 who is not vaccinated against measles is barred from public gathering places, including shopping malls, civic centers, schools, restaurants and even houses of worship. Those in violation could be charged with a misdemeanor punishable by up to six months in jail.

But Day acknowledged that there will be no concerted enforcement effort and that the intent is not to arrest people but to emphasize the seriousness of the situation.

“There will not be law enforcement or deputy sheriffs asking for vaccination records. That is ridiculous,” Day said. “However, parents will be held accountable if they’re found to be in violation of this emergency declaration.”

The county is experiencing New York state’s longest measles outbreak since the disease was declared officially eliminated from the United States in 2000. Health officials say the best way to stop the disease’s spread is a vaccination rate in the community of 92 to 95 percent. Day said only 72.9 percent of people under 18 have been vaccinated against measles in Rockland County, which has more than 300,000 residents.

Civil rights attorney Michael Sussman, who represents the parents of 44 unvaccinated children who were barred from a Waldorf School in the county, said he would discuss a possible challenge to the emergency declaration in a meeting with his clients Tuesday night.

“It’s irrational,” Sussman said. “You’re punishing people who don’t have the illness rather than quarantining people who are sick.”

Sussman said a quarantine of measles patients and those close to them would quickly stop the disease’s spread.

This month, a federal judge, citing the “unprecedented measles outbreak,” denied the parents’ request to let unvaccinated children return to the Waldorf School. The lawsuit said the county’s order banning unvaccinated children from schools regardless of religious or medical exemptions violated their constitutional rights.

The outbreak began in the Rockland area when seven unvaccinated travelers diagnosed with measles entered the county last October. There have been 153 cases to date, Day said. In the early days of the outbreak, people were cooperating with health officials and getting children vaccinated, he said, but that has changed.

“Our health inspectors have been hung up on and told not to call again. They’ve been told, ‘We’re not discussing this, do not come back,’ when visiting the homes of infected individuals as part of their investigations,” Day said. “This type of response is unacceptable and frankly irresponsible.”

On the same day as the federal judge’s ruling on the school children, pediatric organizations expressed support for state legislation that would allow minors to get vaccinated without parental consent.

The state legislation’s Democratic sponsors said too many parents believe unsupported claims that vaccines are unsafe and cause autism or other conditions. Day echoed that message, noting celebrities who have spoken out against vaccines.

“If you’re going to People magazine and Jenny McCarthy and Robert De Niro for your medical advice, you need to re-evaluate your life,” he said.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention lists six measles outbreaks, defined as three or more cases, around the country in 2019, including Rockland County’s. The CDC said the outbreaks are linked to travelers who brought the disease back from other countries, such as Israel and Ukraine, where large measles outbreaks are occurring.

There have been 181 confirmed cases of measles in Brooklyn and Queens since October, most of them involving members of the Orthodox Jewish community, according to the CDC.

Day said the emergency order was timed with the upcoming religious holidays of Easter and Passover in mind.

“We want people to be able to celebrate,” he said. “We don’t want to see a repeat of how this outbreak started when we saw people gathered together and then fall ill last fall.”

The CDC says 15 states have had at least one case of measles confirmed in 2019, for a total of 314 cases to date. In 2014, 667 cases were confirmed nationwide and there were 372 cases in 2018.

 

 

 

If others are free to refuse having their bodies injected then i should have that same freedom. I remember the Swine flu vaccine. A lot of people got sick from that. And no i dont want the gardasil vaccine forced on my family. So we are fully vaccinated for mmr, polio, etc but i am not gonna jump on the bandwagon for every new vaccine.

That' s nice but most of us here understand the slippery slope of the Left. Did you correct LL who brought up Gardasil?

-- Edited by Lady Gaga Snerd on Saturday 30th of March 2019 06:28:31 PM