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Squeakers · Regular

Actually it wasn't. People here have argued in the past that gays have equal rights because they can marry someone of the opposite sex just like a Hetero can love doesn't matter blah blah. So that applies here too. Nothing is stopping a Hetero from finding someone of the same sex, living together and calling it a relationship. They can go ahead and get the affidavit too. Love doesn't matter, remember? So it isn't special

-- Edited by Squeakers on Friday 31st of October 2014 06:06:09 PM

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

It was beyond rude. Rudeness catches up with you too.

Squeakers · Regular

It was not.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

You are advocating that a straight person lie about their sexuality in order to get free health insurance. Not only is that rude but it's downright wrong. I'm glad you have no compunction lying to get what you want. Other people have morals.

Squeakers · Regular

It isn't rude. She can do it just as a gay person can marry a person of the opposite sex in all 50 states.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Squeakers wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
PotteryChick wrote:
I think you're under the false impression that this guy didn't have to pay to have his partner covered. He did. There are different premiums for singles, families and families with children. He didn't have a $46 policy before and after he added his partner.
I understand that he paid for it.
But the thing is, they were not a legal family. But the got a special privilege. That is the problem.

I cant put m adult daughter on my insurance plan.
If a child is over 26 they can not be on an insurance with their parents.
But here is a special privilege given to a couple of guys living together. Let's not even talk about the type of relationship. Two guys living together got a privilege a child and parent cant get.

Tell your daughter to go move in with a woman and get the same affidavit.

And lie?

You are missing the point entirely.

A special privilege is afforded to the gay community. But the gay community cries equality. But they get a special privilege.

That is not equality. That is special treatment.

You need to learn the difference between treatment and equality.

Cause before the special treatment, that was equal.

Squeakers · Regular

I'm sure the majority of the gay community would rather marriage equality rather than insurance via an affidavit And as others have pointed out, it is possible for Hetero couples to get on another's insurance without being married as well. So it is not a gay privilege.

huskerbb · Guru

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Meh. I have heard of similar situations happening with hetero couples here. One want to get married to get on the SO's insurance, the other doesn't want to, etc. I think it is silly.

Completely different scenario.

In this case, they signed a paper that sort of said they were married--in absence of being able to legally do so--and now that they can make it legal, they don't want to. It was a farce from the beginning.

A hetero couple would not have had the option to just sign a paper saying they were "committed".

huskerbb · Guru

Squeakers wrote:
I'm sure the majority of the gay community would rather marriage equality rather than insurance via an affidavit And as others have pointed out, it is possible for Hetero couples to get on another's insurance without being married as well. So it is not a gay privilege.

In this case, it was a gay privilege. That option was not open to hetero couples--and now it is closed to gay couples, as well, but it wasn't before.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Squeakers wrote:
It isn't rude. She can do it just as a gay person can marry a person of the opposite sex in all 50 states.

Nice deflection. That is NOT what you were talking about. You were advocating LYING and CHEATING and doing ILLEGAL activities to gain access to health insurance that you don't qualify. Not everyone is the type to just lie and cheat without a conscience. Some people have morals.

Squeakers · Regular

And it wasn't "equal" before the "special treatment" when a group of people were denied the right to marry and be awarded the benefits of marriage.

huskerbb · Guru

Squeakers wrote:
Actually it wasn't. People here have argued in the past that gays have equal rights because they can marry someone of the opposite sex just like a Hetero can love doesn't matter blah blah. So that applies here too. Nothing is stopping a Hetero from finding someone of the same sex, living together and calling it a relationship. They can go ahead and get the affidavit too. Love doesn't matter, remember? So it isn't special

-- Edited by Squeakers on Friday 31st of October 2014 06:06:09 PM

You are right in that respect--but they didn't do it because they didn't think to lie like this couple did.

Squeakers · Regular

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Squeakers wrote:
It isn't rude. She can do it just as a gay person can marry a person of the opposite sex in all 50 states.
Nice deflection. That is NOT what you were talking about. You were advocating LYING and CHEATING and doing ILLEGAL activities to gain access to health insurance that you don't qualify. Not everyone is the type to just lie and cheat without a conscience. Some people have morals.

It is exactly what I was talking about as explained in the post right after.

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Squeakers wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Squeakers wrote:
It isn't rude. She can do it just as a gay person can marry a person of the opposite sex in all 50 states.
Nice deflection. That is NOT what you were talking about. You were advocating LYING and CHEATING and doing ILLEGAL activities to gain access to health insurance that you don't qualify. Not everyone is the type to just lie and cheat without a conscience. Some people have morals.
It is exactly what I was talking about as explained in the post right after.

It shows a lot about who you are that you advocate illegal behavior.

Squeakers · Regular

huskerbb wrote:
Squeakers wrote:
Actually it wasn't. People here have argued in the past that gays have equal rights because they can marry someone of the opposite sex just like a Hetero can love doesn't matter blah blah. So that applies here too. Nothing is stopping a Hetero from finding someone of the same sex, living together and calling it a relationship. They can go ahead and get the affidavit too. Love doesn't matter, remember? So it isn't special

-- Edited by Squeakers on Friday 31st of October 2014 06:06:09 PM
You are right in that respect--but they didn't do it because they didn't think to lie like this couple did.

This couple did not lie. There is nothing to indicate that they did not intend to get married when they signed the paperwork. Just because one is getting cold feet doesn't mean he did not enter into the agreement with the intention to marry.

Squeakers · Regular

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Squeakers wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Squeakers wrote:
It isn't rude. She can do it just as a gay person can marry a person of the opposite sex in all 50 states.
Nice deflection. That is NOT what you were talking about. You were advocating LYING and CHEATING and doing ILLEGAL activities to gain access to health insurance that you don't qualify. Not everyone is the type to just lie and cheat without a conscience. Some people have morals.
It is exactly what I was talking about as explained in the post right after.
It shows a lot about who you are that you advocate illegal behavior.

I was making a point. If marriage is considered equal because a gay could marry someone of the opposite sex, love be damned, then this is equal as well because mutual love is not a requirement of a relationship.

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Squeakers wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Squeakers wrote:
Actually it wasn't. People here have argued in the past that gays have equal rights because they can marry someone of the opposite sex just like a Hetero can love doesn't matter blah blah. So that applies here too. Nothing is stopping a Hetero from finding someone of the same sex, living together and calling it a relationship. They can go ahead and get the affidavit too. Love doesn't matter, remember? So it isn't special

-- Edited by Squeakers on Friday 31st of October 2014 06:06:09 PM
You are right in that respect--but they didn't do it because they didn't think to lie like this couple did.
This couple did not lie. There is nothing to indicate that they did not intend to get married when they signed the paperwork. Just because one is getting cold feet doesn't mean he did not enter into the agreement with the intention to marry.

YOU said Lily's daughter should lie about her sexuality and file for insurance under a domestic thing. YOU suggested doing the illegal activity. Not only was what you suggested rude but you are ADVOCATING ILLEGAL BEHAVIOR.

huskerbb · Guru

Squeakers wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Squeakers wrote:
Actually it wasn't. People here have argued in the past that gays have equal rights because they can marry someone of the opposite sex just like a Hetero can love doesn't matter blah blah. So that applies here too. Nothing is stopping a Hetero from finding someone of the same sex, living together and calling it a relationship. They can go ahead and get the affidavit too. Love doesn't matter, remember? So it isn't special

-- Edited by Squeakers on Friday 31st of October 2014 06:06:09 PM
You are right in that respect--but they didn't do it because they didn't think to lie like this couple did.
This couple did not lie. There is nothing to indicate that they did not intend to get married when they signed the paperwork. Just because one is getting cold feet doesn't mean he did not enter into the agreement with the intention to marry.

Of course they did. They promised to get married--and now they are don't want to abide by that, at least one of them.

That partner just didn't think they'd ever have to worry about it.

Squeakers · Regular

I didn't say lie. A relationship is a relationship. It doesn't have to be romantic. Just like a marriage does not have to be romantic.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

huskerbb wrote:
Squeakers wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Squeakers wrote:
Actually it wasn't. People here have argued in the past that gays have equal rights because they can marry someone of the opposite sex just like a Hetero can love doesn't matter blah blah. So that applies here too. Nothing is stopping a Hetero from finding someone of the same sex, living together and calling it a relationship. They can go ahead and get the affidavit too. Love doesn't matter, remember? So it isn't special

-- Edited by Squeakers on Friday 31st of October 2014 06:06:09 PM
You are right in that respect--but they didn't do it because they didn't think to lie like this couple did.
This couple did not lie. There is nothing to indicate that they did not intend to get married when they signed the paperwork. Just because one is getting cold feet doesn't mean he did not enter into the agreement with the intention to marry.
Of course they did. They promised to get married--and now they are don't want to abide by that, at least one of them.

That partner just didn't think they'd ever have to worry about it.

I suspect this is the case.

Squeakers · Regular

huskerbb wrote:
Squeakers wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Squeakers wrote:
Actually it wasn't. People here have argued in the past that gays have equal rights because they can marry someone of the opposite sex just like a Hetero can love doesn't matter blah blah. So that applies here too. Nothing is stopping a Hetero from finding someone of the same sex, living together and calling it a relationship. They can go ahead and get the affidavit too. Love doesn't matter, remember? So it isn't special

-- Edited by Squeakers on Friday 31st of October 2014 06:06:09 PM
You are right in that respect--but they didn't do it because they didn't think to lie like this couple did.
This couple did not lie. There is nothing to indicate that they did not intend to get married when they signed the paperwork. Just because one is getting cold feet doesn't mean he did not enter into the agreement with the intention to marry.
Of course they did. They promised to get married--and now they are don't want to abide by that, at least one of them.

That partner just didn't think they'd ever have to worry about it.

Oh, so when a couple gets engaged, and then later breaks up or gets cold feet, they were lying When they told everyone they were engaged to be married??

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Squeakers wrote:
I didn't say lie. A relationship is a relationship. It doesn't have to be romantic. Just like a marriage does not have to be romantic.

Lily's daughter is NOT gay. To say she is in a domestic partnership and intends to get married would be a LIE. Do I need to define lie to you? It seems to be a concept you're having difficulty with.

huskerbb · Guru

Squeakers wrote:
I didn't say lie. A relationship is a relationship. It doesn't have to be romantic. Just like a marriage does not have to be romantic.

But the intention for the health care clause is clearly reserved for those in a long-term relationship that includes sexual activity.

huskerbb · Guru

Squeakers wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Squeakers wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Squeakers wrote:
Actually it wasn't. People here have argued in the past that gays have equal rights because they can marry someone of the opposite sex just like a Hetero can love doesn't matter blah blah. So that applies here too. Nothing is stopping a Hetero from finding someone of the same sex, living together and calling it a relationship. They can go ahead and get the affidavit too. Love doesn't matter, remember? So it isn't special

-- Edited by Squeakers on Friday 31st of October 2014 06:06:09 PM
You are right in that respect--but they didn't do it because they didn't think to lie like this couple did.
This couple did not lie. There is nothing to indicate that they did not intend to get married when they signed the paperwork. Just because one is getting cold feet doesn't mean he did not enter into the agreement with the intention to marry.
Of course they did. They promised to get married--and now they are don't want to abide by that, at least one of them.

That partner just didn't think they'd ever have to worry about it.
Oh, so when a couple gets engaged, and then later breaks up or gets cold feet, they were lying When they told everyone they were engaged to be married??

But that is different. An engagement would not have gotten them the health insurance. The paper they signed was supposed to REPLACE marriage since they could not legally get married.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

huskerbb wrote:
Squeakers wrote:
I didn't say lie. A relationship is a relationship. It doesn't have to be romantic. Just like a marriage does not have to be romantic.
But the intention for the health care clause is clearly reserved for those in a long-term relationship that includes sexual activity.

Yes. Exactly. And Squeakers is advocating that people LIE and say they are living like that so as to access health care that they don't qualify for. That would be obtaining services ILLEGALLY. Apparently some have difficulty understanding those words.

Squeakers · Regular

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Squeakers wrote:
I didn't say lie. A relationship is a relationship. It doesn't have to be romantic. Just like a marriage does not have to be romantic.
Lily's daughter is NOT gay. To say she is in a domestic partnership and intends to get married would be a LIE. Do I need to define lie to you? It seems to be a concept you're having difficulty with.

As long as she intends to marry, it isn't a lie. You don't have to be in love to marry. It could be a business relationship. I vaguely remember being argued with by gay marriage opponents that love and romantic feelings didn't matter and some people marry for benefit reasons.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

huskerbb wrote:

But that is different. An engagement would not have gotten them the health insurance. The paper they signed was supposed to REPLACE marriage since they could not legally get married.

Exactly.

Squeakers · Regular

huskerbb wrote:
Squeakers wrote:
I didn't say lie. A relationship is a relationship. It doesn't have to be romantic. Just like a marriage does not have to be romantic.
But the intention for the health care clause is clearly reserved for those in a long-term relationship that includes sexual activity.

So couples who don't have sex dont get health insurance? How about married couples no longer doing it, do they have to give up insurance?

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Squeakers wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Squeakers wrote:
I didn't say lie. A relationship is a relationship. It doesn't have to be romantic. Just like a marriage does not have to be romantic.
Lily's daughter is NOT gay. To say she is in a domestic partnership and intends to get married would be a LIE. Do I need to define lie to you? It seems to be a concept you're having difficulty with.
As long as she intends to marry, it isn't a lie. You don't have to be in love to marry. It could be a business relationship. I vaguely remember being argued with by gay marriage opponents that love and romantic feelings didn't matter and some people marry for benefit reasons.

How many times does it have to be explained to you that Lily's daughter is NOT gay and would NOT marry another woman. To say otherwise would be a LIE. I'm sorry you do not understand the concept of lying.

Squeakers · Regular

huskerbb wrote:
Squeakers wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Squeakers wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Squeakers wrote:
Actually it wasn't. People here have argued in the past that gays have equal rights because they can marry someone of the opposite sex just like a Hetero can love doesn't matter blah blah. So that applies here too. Nothing is stopping a Hetero from finding someone of the same sex, living together and calling it a relationship. They can go ahead and get the affidavit too. Love doesn't matter, remember? So it isn't special

-- Edited by Squeakers on Friday 31st of October 2014 06:06:09 PM
You are right in that respect--but they didn't do it because they didn't think to lie like this couple did.
This couple did not lie. There is nothing to indicate that they did not intend to get married when they signed the paperwork. Just because one is getting cold feet doesn't mean he did not enter into the agreement with the intention to marry.
Of course they did. They promised to get married--and now they are don't want to abide by that, at least one of them.

That partner just didn't think they'd ever have to worry about it.
Oh, so when a couple gets engaged, and then later breaks up or gets cold feet, they were lying When they told everyone they were engaged to be married??
But that is different. An engagement would not have gotten them the health insurance. The paper they signed was supposed to REPLACE marriage since they could not legally get married.

It doesn't matter. They were telling the world they intended to marry and then they did not! Lies! It was probably just for the engagement party. They couldn't possibly have changes in their relationship between then and now that made one question the desire to marry, or get cold feet. Oh they can? Then so could the gay couple.

Squeakers · Regular

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Squeakers wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Squeakers wrote:
I didn't say lie. A relationship is a relationship. It doesn't have to be romantic. Just like a marriage does not have to be romantic.
Lily's daughter is NOT gay. To say she is in a domestic partnership and intends to get married would be a LIE. Do I need to define lie to you? It seems to be a concept you're having difficulty with.
As long as she intends to marry, it isn't a lie. You don't have to be in love to marry. It could be a business relationship. I vaguely remember being argued with by gay marriage opponents that love and romantic feelings didn't matter and some people marry for benefit reasons.
How many times does it have to be explained to you that Lily's daughter is NOT gay and would NOT marry another woman. To say otherwise would be a LIE. I'm sorry you do not understand the concept of lying.

It doesn't matter if she's gay! She can still intend to marry another woman! Just like a gay person can marry a member of the opposite sex even though THEY ARE NOT HETEROSEXUAL. ITS EQUAL. Or you have to admit that gays do not have equal marrying rights.

huskerbb · Guru

Squeakers wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Squeakers wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Squeakers wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Squeakers wrote:
Actually it wasn't. People here have argued in the past that gays have equal rights because they can marry someone of the opposite sex just like a Hetero can love doesn't matter blah blah. So that applies here too. Nothing is stopping a Hetero from finding someone of the same sex, living together and calling it a relationship. They can go ahead and get the affidavit too. Love doesn't matter, remember? So it isn't special

-- Edited by Squeakers on Friday 31st of October 2014 06:06:09 PM
You are right in that respect--but they didn't do it because they didn't think to lie like this couple did.
This couple did not lie. There is nothing to indicate that they did not intend to get married when they signed the paperwork. Just because one is getting cold feet doesn't mean he did not enter into the agreement with the intention to marry.
Of course they did. They promised to get married--and now they are don't want to abide by that, at least one of them.

That partner just didn't think they'd ever have to worry about it.
Oh, so when a couple gets engaged, and then later breaks up or gets cold feet, they were lying When they told everyone they were engaged to be married??
But that is different. An engagement would not have gotten them the health insurance. The paper they signed was supposed to REPLACE marriage since they could not legally get married.
It doesn't matter. They were telling the world they intended to marry and then they did not! Lies! It was probably just for the engagement party. They couldn't possibly have changes in their relationship between then and now that made one question the desire to marry, or get cold feet. Oh they can? Then so could the gay couple.

No, they weren't telling the world they "intended" to marry. They were telling the world they WERE married which was the requirement to get the insurance.

Squeakers · Regular

huskerbb wrote:
Squeakers wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Squeakers wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Squeakers wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Squeakers wrote:
Actually it wasn't. People here have argued in the past that gays have equal rights because they can marry someone of the opposite sex just like a Hetero can love doesn't matter blah blah. So that applies here too. Nothing is stopping a Hetero from finding someone of the same sex, living together and calling it a relationship. They can go ahead and get the affidavit too. Love doesn't matter, remember? So it isn't special

-- Edited by Squeakers on Friday 31st of October 2014 06:06:09 PM
You are right in that respect--but they didn't do it because they didn't think to lie like this couple did.
This couple did not lie. There is nothing to indicate that they did not intend to get married when they signed the paperwork. Just because one is getting cold feet doesn't mean he did not enter into the agreement with the intention to marry.
Of course they did. They promised to get married--and now they are don't want to abide by that, at least one of them.

That partner just didn't think they'd ever have to worry about it.
Oh, so when a couple gets engaged, and then later breaks up or gets cold feet, they were lying When they told everyone they were engaged to be married??
But that is different. An engagement would not have gotten them the health insurance. The paper they signed was supposed to REPLACE marriage since they could not legally get married.
It doesn't matter. They were telling the world they intended to marry and then they did not! Lies! It was probably just for the engagement party. They couldn't possibly have changes in their relationship between then and now that made one question the desire to marry, or get cold feet. Oh they can? Then so could the gay couple.
No, they weren't telling the world they "intended" to marry. They were telling the world they WERE married which was the requirement to get the insurance.

They weren't telling the world they were married. They were not allowed to marry, obviously. Had marriage equality been in their state a year ago, this wouldn't have even been an issue. They could have been married. Or not.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

If Lily's daughter LIES and says she's gay just to get health insurance when she is not, in fact, gay and does not have a relationship with this person she has now committed INSURANCE FRAUD. btw, that's ILLEGAL. Sure, other people do it but it's still ILLEGAL. Gay people can marry straight people just for benefits but that's wrong and ILLEGAL too. Sorry you don't understand that concept.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

A year ago they were "intending" to marry. Does this mean that straight people who "intend" to marry should get insurance? It doesn't work like that for most straight people. Thus it shouldn't work like that for most gay people. You know. That pesky equality thing.

Squeakers · Regular

Straight people have the right to marry. They did not. And it is NOT illegal to marry for benefits, bee tee dubs.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Squeakers wrote:
Straight people have the right to marry. They did not. And it is NOT illegal to marry for benefits, bee tee dubs.

I bet the insurance company would say otherwise if they found out.

Squeakers · Regular

Except citizenship. That's illegal.

Squeakers · Regular

No. They wouldnt. You can marry for benefits. It's totes legal. Tax benefits, health insurance, death benefits.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Okay, why don't you call your insurance company and ask them if you can marry someone just so you can put them on your insurance. See what they say...

Squeakers · Regular

I don't need my insurance companies permission to get married.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Wow, totes be te dubs. Hard to argue with this much intelligence.

Squeakers · Regular

Some service members rush into marriage for the benefits of being married vs being single in the military.

PotteryChick · Member

We would send the insurance police to their home, create a scene, and perform a civil arrest.

huskerbb · Guru

Squeakers wrote:
Some service members rush into marriage for the benefits of being married vs being single in the military.

If they actually get married--fine.

huskerbb · Guru

Squeakers wrote:
Straight people have the right to marry. They did not. And it is NOT illegal to marry for benefits, bee tee dubs.

But they lied about it. They essentially said they were married--but when push came to shove, they backed out.

At least they'll lose the benefits.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Rushing into a marriage you intended to enter into anyway is one thing. Getting married for no other reasons than to get benefits you wouldn't qualify for otherwise is something entirely different.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

huskerbb wrote:
Squeakers wrote:
Straight people have the right to marry. They did not. And it is NOT illegal to marry for benefits, bee tee dubs.
But they lied about it. They essentially said they were married--but when push came to shove, they backed out.

At least they'll lose the benefits.

They deserve to lose them. Like yesterday.